Hillary Tells Blacks: Republicans Run the White House "Like a Plantation"

[texpatriot]

You can put all the spin on this you want, what she said was as clear as day and you know what she meant by it.Not that I like Guiliani, but if he would make a comment like this if the Democrats were in office, you would be blasting him to High Hell and back.

It was a dig at Republicans, however a racially motivated unfair dig, meant to appeal to emotions of the Black population, that was not warranted. It was a stupid remark and you know it.

What PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON?

If the REPUBLICAN Candidates for President MADE ANY COMMENTS toward the "Black Vote" of ths country we might have something to "CONTRAST" here, but we do not!"

So, your point would BE????







That's what I thought.

and there was a black sponsorsed debate democrats could have attended too, but it was on big, scary fox news, so of course all the dems ran away

Care to back that up with any links? Anything from the "blogosphere?"

Cuz it didn't happen.








Cheap shot at humor, I recognize that!

But, that last time that I checked the NAACP sponsored a "debate," but the Republican "Big Tent Hypocrites" had a "scheduling conflict."

At least the Democrats "pretend" to kiss some NAACP ass, as opposed to ignore the "Black Vote" all together.

 

[Raincoat Massacre]

You advocating the political-powers-that-be the use of the race card is doing far more harm with race relations in this country than not using it.

If there is clear evidence of racism, like I feel is going on in Jena, LA, then we address the problem in a civil, professional manner, and work towards correcting the problem.

Bringing this up in political speeches and taking casual cheap shots like Hillary did is a disgrace.

Im sorry but with as much shit as The Dubya administartion has put this country through, a casual cheap shot is far less than what the facist, totalitarian, bible thumping, administration deserves. And when someone happens to point out the racisim in the white house more power to them.

And for your information african americans tried professional and civil 40 years ago. That didnt work.

I think police dogs, bombings, assasinations, and public linchings is what they got in return.

 

[MystikWizard]

Im sorry but with as much shit as The Dubya administartion has put this country through, a casual cheap shot is far less than what the facist, totalitarian, bible thumping, administration deserves. And when someone happens to point out the racisim in the white house more power to them.

And for your information african americans tried professional and civil 40 years ago. That didnt work.

I think police dogs, bombings, assasinations, and public linchings is what they got in return.

Give me a break. Don't you think society has evolved ... just a little ... since those times?

If the REPUBLICAN Candidates for President MADE ANY COMMENTS toward the "Black Vote" of ths country we might have something to "CONTRAST" here, but we do not!"

So, I guess the Republicans should go and talk to the Black voters about slavery, oppression, and use the same tactics the Democrats do and talk about how we won't stand for them to continue working on plantations any longer in this day and age. Keeping in mind that most of the problems in the African American Community boil down to problems the community itself needs to address. And that is the amount of single parent families out there, and children being raised without a father. This is crippling the youth who are growing up without a strong father figure in the house.

Republicans can't do anything about this. Democrats can't do anything about this. The African American Community needs to address it themselves.

I may come under fire for this, but I am sincere when I say it.

I think the best way to help racial relations in this country is to stop discussing it, unless there is a problem of racism that is found, like I fee is going on in Jena, like I said earlier. If there is a problem, then you deal with it appropriately, and I'm sure Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be right on it.

Every time race is brought up in the media, tensions start to rise on both sides. **NEWSFLASH** We don't live in the day and age of slavery and oppression anymore. I think it was horrendous and an embarrassment in our nation's history, but I have no control over what happened with respect to that whatsoever. It's long gone. It's time for everyone to move on and treat one another as equals, with respect and courtesy.

If society would just let everything move on without constantly having to make this topic an issue, then I firmly believe everything would smooth out and we would all blend together as a cohesive society, like we all should be. Today's younger generation is much more open to racial equality and the older generation that are still stuck back in the 50's and 60's are being phased out. Good riddens, as far as I'm concerned.

As far as Hillary and her comments, two wrongs don't make a right, and we all know what she was doing. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

[lancelva]

Wow...you guys really are desperate aren't you? A 20 month old news story is the best you can do? That certainly makes me feel better. Maybe this thread would actually be worth anyone's time if we were discussing a relevant issue related to race, such as race relations in the United States, or the poor response to Hurricane Katrina, or other important issues that concern African Americans.

As to Senator Clinton's relations with African American voters...take a look:

But Obama nevertheless faces a formidable challenge for the black vote from the party’s front-runner, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Clinton’s 20-plus point lead over Obama since August cuts across every subgroup of Democratic voters, including African-American voters, according to a Gallup Poll of Democrats and Democratic-leaning repondents last week. Black voters gave Clinton 53 percent of the vote while Obama pulled in 38 percent of the party’s black vote.

Obama found stronger support among black voters than among white voters — 22 percent of white voters opted for Obama — but the phenomenon held true for Clinton as well, who took 46 percent of the vote among whites in the poll.

So give it a rest...there are far more important things to discuss.

 

[kevbo]

Here's the kicker:

If Obama would have said it, would you have given a shit?

 

[gewhite3]

Not that I like Guiliani, but if he would make a comment like this if the Democrats were in office, you would be blasting him to High Hell and back.

The pot calling the kettle black........gotta love it.

 

[MystikWizard]

The pot calling the kettle black........gotta love it.

And I think Giuliani would deserve whatever criticism he would get in that hypothetical situation.

Bottom line: NOBODY should be making cheap comments like this for political reasons.

 

[gewhite3]

Then you shouldn't be posting this crap either.

 

[MystikWizard]

Then you shouldn't be posting this crap either.

I post it to make people aware that these are the tactics that a Presidential Candidate of the United States will use to get votes.

And it's wrong.

Plain and simple.

And I'm glad you have the decency to tell the truth and refer to the statement as what it is ... "crap".

 

[White Eagle]

The thing that is funny is that JUBbers are the only ones seeing this article. It is so non-news. There is no way the outside world of JUB will have any response to it.
I didn't see it back when it was first brought out so it wasn't much of a news item back then.

If society would just let everything move on without constantly having to make this topic an issue, then I firmly believe everything would smooth out and we would all blend together as a cohesive society, like we all should be. Today's younger generation is much more open to racial equality and the older generation that are still stuck back in the 50's and 60's are being phased out. Good riddens, as far as I'm concerned.

Midnite I think it would be great if you would practice what was said above. That is "move on".

This place has gotten so boring lately. Y'all need to come up with the news of today!!!

 

[I Just Wanna Be]

Well, the truth hurts about your candidate, doesn't it?

One's character plays a big factor in determining a President. Don't you think?

Hardly. If character had ANYTHING to do with determining a President, Bush wouldnt have one the first time, much less the second.
Hell, if intelligence had anything to do with it he wouldnt be President.
But enough talk about a guy who started a war for no reason, knocked down the trade center, abandoned the residents of the Gulf Region, stole one election before turning his anti gay marriage stance into a second term and then veto'd a health care bill for children. Why talk about him when we can re-hash a speech Hilary gave a year ago in which she accurately described this rediculous excuse for an administration?

 

[Raincoat Massacre]

Hardly. If character had ANYTHING to do with determining a President, Bush wouldnt have one the first time, much less the second.
Hell, if intelligence had anything to do with it he wouldnt be President.
But enough talk about a guy who started a war for no reason, knocked down the trade center, abandoned the residents of the Gulf Region, stole one election before turning his anti gay marriage stance into a second term and then veto'd a health care bill for children. Why talk about him when we can re-hash a speech Hilary gave a year ago in which she accurately described this rediculous excuse for an administration?

Fukin A!

 

[PER4MER]

Hardly. If character had ANYTHING to do with determining a President, Bush wouldnt have one the first time, much less the second.
Hell, if intelligence had anything to do with it he wouldnt be President.
But enough talk about a guy who started a war for no reason, knocked down the trade center, abandoned the residents of the Gulf Region, stole one election before turning his anti gay marriage stance into a second term and then veto'd a health care bill for children. Why talk about him when we can re-hash a speech Hilary gave a year ago in which she accurately described this rediculous excuse for an administration?

Bravo.

Great points, IJWB.

 

[PER4MER]

He musta took lessons from good ole Rush. Or vice versa.

You mean the same Rush Limbaugh who said this?

Go figure...a racist Rightie. That never happens!

 

[PER4MER]

Yeah. I was referring to his obscene mocking of Micheal J Fox, though.

Ahh...gotcha.

I was talking about Racist Rush, and you were referring to Insensitive, Cruel Rush.

The man has so many facets!

 

[MystikWizard]

Hardly. If character had ANYTHING to do with determining a President, Bush wouldnt have one the first time, much less the second.
Hell, if intelligence had anything to do with it he wouldnt be President.
But enough talk about a guy who started a war for no reason, knocked down the trade center, abandoned the residents of the Gulf Region, stole one election before turning his anti gay marriage stance into a second term and then veto'd a health care bill for children. Why talk about him when we can re-hash a speech Hilary gave a year ago in which she accurately described this rediculous excuse for an administration?

I don't think 9/11 was orchestrated by our Government. But I do think there is a major scandal waiting to be uncovered in an investigation. The worst case scenario in my mind that is possible, is that the Government let it happen. Hopefully, all will be revealed in time. And then of course afterwards, I do believe 9/11 was used as an excuse to go to war with Iraq and call for a "War on Terror".

And I also agree with his S-CHIP Bill Veto, as well. I'm sorry, but I don't call families making $80,000 ... "poor". As a single person, why should my money go towards household incomes pulling in this type of money?

What most infuriates me about Bush is his aggressive foreign policy which has caused us to be despised in the International Community. And now, of course, we are blindly marching down the path of war with Iran. And the American people are soaking it all up. What the Hell is wrong with everyone? Did we not learn anything from Iraq? It sickens me.

So, my position is for calling a spade ... a "Spade" and calling things down the middle. Bush has done a lousy job as President overall, and I strongly feel we are more dangerous as a society nowadays then we were before his Presidency.

You ask "why I don't talk about him instead?" Because he is old news. The entire country knows the amount of harm he did to the United States. We can't do anything about that.

What we can do is look to our potential leaders of the future and make the best determination we possibly can. And character should play a big factor in this judgement.

Be honest. None of you are neutral in this. You support Hillary and feel the need to come to her defense, even if the criticisms are valid. This was a stupid ass comment for her to make and I think speaks volumes for the type of skullduggery she will stoop to in order to gain votes. Attack me if you want, but I think it was downright low and despicable what she did. And yes, I am being honest when I say that this was the first I heard about this and I was truly curious if everyone else did as well. I was not intentionally trying to rehash old dirt. I was just curious if everyone else was in the same situation, because I honestly heard nothing about it.

And like I said I think in a different thread, I think a lot of this boils down to the mindset that ALL Republicans are Anti-Gay and ALL Democrats are Pro Gay in people's minds on here, and that is where personal biases come into play. I despise the Neo-Cons for their Pro War agenda and making us more dangerous as a society while they profit off the war. I'm against Democrats because I don't believe in a Socialist Society where our Government takes care of us from cradle to grave, making all of these Government programs available to the public that doesn't affect me in the slightest ... but I have to pay for it when it comes time to pay for all of it when they decide to raise taxes. That's the Democrats answer to everything. Let's raise taxes.

Now fair is fair. My Presidential candidate of choice is for someone who advocates a Non Interventionist Foreign Policy and someone who is for Less Government intervention, and someone who is for protecting our civil liberties. At this point, I support Ron Paul. I admire this man for actually having the balls to get up on stage and be very candid, open, and honest with all the issues. The Republican Party despises him because he doesn't fit into their agenda, yet he has strong support on the Internet. If you want to bring up dirt on him, as well, feel free. Fair is fair.

I think we are all patriotic and only want what is best for our country.

 

[I Just Wanna Be]

And I also agree with his S-CHIP Bill Veto, as well. I'm sorry, but I don't call families making $80,000 ... "poor". As a single person, why should my money go towards household incomes pulling in this type of money?

Because when your medical bills reach anywhere between $100 and $500k, all of a sudden $80,000 a year is poverty. I cant speak on children per se, but my dad had to have open heart surgury and a lung transplant. When it was all said and done, the bills were half a mill. We were cool tho, because his job had a health insurance plan thru Messa, and it covered absolutely everything except a $5 co-pay. We would have been on the street if we had to come out of pocket on that much, and Im sure there are families who are dealing with the same issues yet without the health insurance to support them. Why should people have to choose between bankruptcy and the health of their child?

 

[Raincoat Massacre]

and if we're going to help one another in this country like you say we need to then a tax raise to help ailing people and sick children is fine by me.

AND I do not think that every republican is anti-gay and that every democrat is pro-gay.

 

[Soilwork]

Does the fact that she's right change anything?

 

[MystikWizard]

Because when your medical bills reach anywhere between $100 and $500k, all of a sudden $80,000 a year is poverty. I cant speak on children per se, but my dad had to have open heart surgury and a lung transplant. When it was all said and done, the bills were half a mill. We were cool tho, because his job had a health insurance plan thru Messa, and it covered absolutely everything except a $5 co-pay. We would have been on the street if we had to come out of pocket on that much, and Im sure there are families who are dealing with the same issues yet without the health insurance to support them. Why should people have to choose between bankruptcy and the health of their child?

Yes, you would have, but the point was that you had benefits. Benefits are readily available to people that hold Full Time Positions. There are many Part Time jobs that offer medical benefits, as well. People need to understand that having insurance in this country isn't optional. It needs to come first and the family needs to make it happen. Even for Part Timers, there are affordable plans offered online.

And I think a lot of it comes down to people having too many kids. Kids are expensive, nowadays. No doubt about it. But the reality is that this needs to be controlled. I don't mean to sound mean, but if you can't afford it, then don't have so many kids that milk your finances dry, if you can't afford them. I'm not saying "don't have kids", but these families going out and having 3, 4, or 5 kids has got to stop, if they can't afford to take care of them.

People who do not have benefits are taking a very hefty risk. And then when something DOES happen, it's "OOOPS".

Paying rent or paying a mortgage is a necessity.
Having transportation to and from work is a necessity.
Buying groceries is a necessity.
Paying for benefits is also a necessity.

Does the fact that she's right change anything?

Jasun, love you buddy, but you know if Rudy Guiliani would have said something like this, everyone would be jumping down his throat.