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Video Hillary wonders where Bernie was in 1993 when she was trying to make health care reform happen

rareboy said:
But in fairness...even Bernie's campaign is politics as usual.

He could have decided to run a completely independent campaign like Perot and Nader. Although I love Bernie, even I saw him tagging onto the Democrats at this point as pure political opportunism.

So he's not immune. Not in the least. He has used the Democratic Party as the vehicle for getting exposure that he simply never would have had as an independent candidate.

So vote your conscience (or don't vote at all) as you please.

But remember that your disgust may contribute to a potential madman sitting in the oval office...whether it is Drumpf or Cruz and the damage that either one of them could do is immense.
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LOL the fact that he ran as a DEM - that single thing suggests "politics as usual ??"


I can't imagine you actually would stand by this overtly simplistic approach to comparing Bernie and Hillary

One of the two does/did the following:
1 - takes major donor dollars from Wall St.
2 - voted for the war in Iraq
3 - recently lauded Nancy Reagan for her help in the fight against AIDS when silence or condemnation would've been what any reasonable person would've done
4 - has SUPER PACS thus making her useless in the fights against Citizens United
and so on and so one

politics as usual = HILLARY

anyone can see that

choosing politics as usual is all well and good - god bless - but call it what it is

and do not attempt to bullshit this forum with Bernie's campaign is in the same or even similar vein
 
MakeDigitalLove said:
I will vote for Hillary if it comes to that, but I am not going to pretend that I like where my vote is going. I still think she is a bad candidate and I won't ever be convinced otherwise. Her selling point to me is that she isn't Trump or Cruz. I mean we can continually point fingers and blame people for this or that, but you're still not convincing anyone why they should vote for a specific candidate. You're just pushing them away and giving them more of a reason not to vote for the candidate that they don't want to vote for.

If she were elected POTUS, it's not like I will be any happier about it. We will just continue with the status quo and have to listen to her lies and bullshit for another 4 years. It will be interesting to see what scandals will come out of another Clinton in the house and that is all I can really expect out of it.
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BOOM

in full agreement

Hillary is a 1%-er thru and thru which doesn't make her a bad person but it does not make her an agent of change

She is mainstream when it comes to foreign policy - her past (well documented) suggests a Republican-esque approach to the war machine

In short she's just to the left of Kasich

She has a built in African American and women base which has carried her to where she is today

And yes - Cruz (the worst) and Trump (the second worst) are not options for reasonable people

She is the hold your nose candidate

The love affair and lack of specifics as to why she's any good much less great from self professed progressives here is hard to figure

and stomach
 
Thynight said:
Does that make him a Hillary Bro?
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The difference between Bernie Bros. and Hillary Bros. is the former know why they love Bernie. They are with him - he is with them.

Hillary Bros. love from afar and frankly can't tell you why they love her - as there is no logical reason other than her "pragmatism" LOL
 
BenDan said:
The difference between Bernie Bros. and Hillary Bros. is the former know why they love Bernie. They are with him - he is with them.

Hillary Bros. love from afar and frankly can't tell you why they love her - as there is no logical reason other than her "pragmatism" LOL
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Get over yourself. People support candidates for different reasons, neither group is monolithic, and that is just a really puerile generalization.

You don't want to hear why people support Hillary, the truth interferes with your narrative.
 
BenDan said:
LOL the fact that he ran as a DEM - that single thing suggests "politics as usual ??"


I can't imagine you actually would stand by this overtly simplistic approach to comparing Bernie and Hillary

One of the two does/did the following:
1 - takes major donor dollars from Wall St.
2 - voted for the war in Iraq
3 - recently lauded Nancy Reagan for her help in the fight against AIDS when silence or condemnation would've been what any reasonable person would've done
4 - has SUPER PACS thus making her useless in the fights against Citizens United
and so on and so one

politics as usual = HILLARY

anyone can see that

choosing politics as usual is all well and good - god bless - but call it what it is

and do not attempt to bullshit this forum with Bernie's campaign is in the same or even similar vein
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Nonsense.

Bernie chose to run as a Democrat in order to use the party machine.

At least Nader and Perot went totally independent.

Bernie has been as pragmatic as any candidate could be. A principled independent until latching onto the big blue machine was too good an opportunity to pass up.

Don't try to paint it as some kind of wild and crazy maverick move.

puhleeeze.
 
TX-Beau said:
Get over yourself. People support candidates for different reasons, neither group is monolithic, and that is just a really puerile generalization.

You don't want to hear why people support Hillary, the truth interferes with your narrative.
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happy to hear the reasons - all I've heard is:

Bernie is unelectable - despite his polls vs. Repubs at the time being better than hers
He's shooting too high - sorry but that isn't a reason that's just defeatism
She's good at getting things done - sorry but what she's interested in doing gives me the willies

happy to listen why you're so motivated by her

bring it
 
rareboy said:
Nonsense.

Bernie chose to run as a Democrat in order to use the party machine.

At least Nader and Perot went totally independent.

Bernie has been as pragmatic as any candidate could be. A principled independent until latching onto the big blue machine was too good an opportunity to pass up.

Don't try to paint it as some kind of wild and crazy maverick move.

puhleeeze.
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LOL the "party machine" has chewed him up and spit him out - super delegates and Debbie Wasserman Schultz manipulationis

so try again

you've ignored the basic fallacy of your "argument"

which is when you lay the two side by side re: politics or politics as usual

it isn't close
 
Bullshit, eastofeden gave you several, apparently you can't read. I gave you a few, you don't seem to recall that either.
 
BenDan said:
LOL the "party machine" has chewed him up and spit him out - super delegates and Debbie Wasserman Schultz manipulationis

so try again

you've ignored the basic fallacy of your "argument"

which is when you lay the two side by side re: politics or politics as usual

it isn't close
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No? Apparently Hillary wins.
 
TX-Beau said:
Bullshit, eastofeden gave you several, apparently you can't read. I gave you a few, you don't seem to recall that either.
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I read quite well - my math is good too

as for eastofeden I've read nothing of substance

but humor me and give me (apparently again) your best "yeah yeah Hillary's our gal ........" speech
 
BenDan said:
LOL the "party machine" has chewed him up and spit him out - super delegates and Debbie Wasserman Schultz manipulationis

so try again

you've ignored the basic fallacy of your "argument"

which is when you lay the two side by side re: politics or politics as usual

it isn't close
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A politician latching onto the machine?

Politics as usual.
 
rareboy said:
A politician latching onto the machine?

Politics as usual.
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yeah - so YOUR point is that Bernie and Hillary are very similar

Both are politics as usual candidates

Both establishment like

thanks for clarifying that

I rest my case
 
After a lifetime in politics, Bernie is as establishment as they come.

I don't see what the problem is with that, but to pretend that he is not part of the Washington establishment is naive and misleading.
 
^^^ The entire population of Vermont is less than the population of San Jose...so it is a lot easier to "be" a "maverick":roll: and get away with it because under different circumstances and different dynamics.....he would be toast.

But then again..if he won the primary campaigning as a Democrat and then changed his party once he won the nomination...he wouldn't get a second chance in most places.

It is so much easier being an Independent in the Senate when there are less than 208,000 people voting for you. Hell...we could get five Vermonts just in Silicon Valley in terms of population..and he wouldn't stand a chance...

The fact that he has so many Republicans shilling for him and pitting us all against each other tells me ALOT about who he is.....

He rejected both the Democrat and the Progressive Party Nominations AFTER the Democratic Primaries in his state so there was no Democrat running.

His history of choosing to run as a Democrat is NOT inspiring...he is conveniently "establishment' when it suits him...and I certainly do not trust that he will not run a campaign as an Indie. After watching what he did in Vermont..I see no reason for confidence.
 
This is rather like casting pearls.
 
rareboy said:
This is [STRIKE]rather[/STRIKE] exactly like casting pearls.
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I know..but I figured it would answer 1000 pretend questions at once...and maybe inform the one or two people who wander in here who truly don't already understand this.:D
 
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