Hillary's best hope: racism

[falconfan]

Do you honestly mean to tell me that you think she can still pull this off at this point?

Forget why there is a thread title. That would be assuming she had a chance. She doesn't at this point, but if she did, then pushing race and gender would theoretically be her only chance.

Just this weekend alone, Obama turned the page when it came to Superdelegates in his favor. Hillary will win West Virginia and Kentucky. And Obama will win the rest.

He has the popular vote on his side.

He has the most Pledged Delegates and will have the most by the time all the contests are over.

And now he has the Most Superdelegates. And the trend is only increasing.

We've had a year's worth of bickering about who the best and most electable candidate is. The decision has been made and the people have decided. The time has now come to support the Democratic nominee ... or the Republican nominee if you want to make a spectacle of yourself and go against what your beliefs are and vote for McCain ... out of spite.

For all the Feminists on here, don't worry. There will be plenty more Female candidates for you to vote for down the road, that will have a lot more character and integrity than Hillary.

No I don't think she has a chance but the thread is about her chances so why come into the thread at all if you don't wish to discuss her chances? In reality this is just yet another thread made by Lost to attack Hillary because apparently he has nothing better to do with his time.

 

[MystikWizard]

No I don't think she has a chance but the thread is about her chances so why come into the thread at all if you don't wish to discuss her chances? In reality this is just yet another thread made by Lost to attack Hillary because apparently he has nothing better to do with his time.

And look who also has the time to come here and respond?

And I did discuss her chances. I said she has "no chance".

 

[iman]

it's arguable that white men have dominated politics since, well, the beginning of them in this country. are blacks the only ones who vote solely on race?? who do you think a klan member is more likely to vote for?

someone who believes blacks commit more crimes (which, if you'd like some links, i can prove GROSSLY incorrect) is less likely to vote for a candidate, regardless of ability. black people aren't the only misguided voters in this country. every single person who votes does so on atleast some level of bias or self-serving. isn't a christian likely to vote AGAINST someone who supports gay marriage? that's a personal issue. it's fair to say that for every vote for the right candidate, there's atleast one other vote that's discriminatory or self-serving.

i'll be the FIRST to admit that there are probably hundreds if not thousands of black people who never voted and probably can't spell obama's name, but registered this year simply to see a black man in office. is it not fair to assume that the same can be said about white voters, christian voters, etc....

I have no problem with African Americans voting for another African American, in light of American history, it is perfectly understandable and rational. In the case of African Americans voting for a good qualified candidate, race is a good determining factor.

I do have a problem with assuming that whites that do not vote for Obama are motivated by racism. There are plenty of good reasons for voting for Clinton over Obama that have nothing to do with race.

 

[Spazer181]

You know, I think we're past this, now. The train left the station a while ago.

The Obama train may be headed for November, but Clinton is going to make sure it's not a TGV...

 

[Kurn]

"Turning whites against blacks" has no part whatsoever in Hillary's efforts./quote]

With all due respect, Kurn, what complete and utter bullshit.

What was Bill's little excursion earlier on in the campain if not racist when he questioned what we were watching in reference to Obama? When she asked rhetorically "what's going on here" a couple of weeks ago in reference to Obama's campaign, it was obvious to any intelligent person what was going on. She was playing the race card.

(I apologise I can't give the specific quotes but they were well played out in the media here so I assume they were just as prevelant in the US; I'm working off my wireless card which isn't quite as reliable as cable so I don't want to risk losing my connection)

Hillary is in this for what Hillary believes she deserves and if, to win, it means that she can besmirch her opponets reputation by "slights" and occassional "intimations and hints" about his colour, possible religion or whatever else, she'll do it.

From what we can see, she doesn't give a toss for her Party and now her true colours are coming out. I abhore the show but if only life were now more like Big Brother. "It's Time To Go.......Hillary"

Hillary had so much promise but she allowed her personal ambition to take over and as a result, Hillary is resorting to snide little inuendo's in relation to Obama that surely win her no friends?

I am saddened to see what I believe is a great woman resorting to such petty, nasty behaviour.

With all due respect, Dobson, this is complete and utter bullshit. Hillary hasn't a grain of racism in her. That was never a big issue and the rest of it all got aired out in her hippie days.
There is no racialist angle in any of Hillary's campaign. The only racism is the reverse racism that Obamaites wrongly assume to be there. The only racists are the chardonnay Obamaites who did a paper on Harriet Tubman in the seventh grade and haven't done a stitch about it since.

And by the way, your #1 does not want Hillary to leave early.
There are a number of reasons for this.

 

[Lostlover]

With all due respect, Dobson, this is complete and utter bullshit. Hillary hasn't a grain of racism in her. That was never a big issue and the rest of it all got aired out in her hippie days.
There is no racialist angle in any of Hillary's campaign. The only racism is the reverse racism that Obamaites wrongly assume to be there. The only racists are the chardonnay Obamaites who did a paper on Harriet Tubman in the seventh grade and haven't done a stitch about it since.

And by the way, your #1 does not want Hillary to leave early.
There are a number of reasons for this.

I don't think Hillary is racist either. Hence the word "think". I can't say definitively whether she is or not because I am not her.

But don't you think it's suspicious that they talk race around redneck-states like South Carolina and West Virginia?

I'd love for her to start that crap before Oregon, a state with one of the highest educated levels in the country.

 

[iman]

what i'm hearing from a lot of people is that blacks are the first and/or only voters who vote solely on race and don't consider qualification. i refuse to believe that.

The obvious example of how qualifications make a difference is the contrast between how well Obama has done contrasted with Al Sharpton in the last campaign. There are also numerous mayoralty and Congressional races where a better qualified black won over a less qualified black - obviously good qualifications make a big difference.

 

[Kulindahr]

how many people would like to see obama and hillary arm-wrestle over the democratic nomination?? he's really scrawny and she wears lots of pantsuits so i think it'd be a fair fight.

TWISTER.
And the candidates who've already dropped out get to throw Jello.

I think there is a good case to be made for voting for a candidate that is black, based purely on race, all other things being equal; but I don't think everything is equal between these two candidates. I think Clinton is more electable, can attract the working class, black and white, and would have a better chance getting legislation moved.

No, everything isn't equal.
*Obama hasn't made up stories to pass off as truth.
*Obama hasn't stretched and padded the truth to try to whip up qualifications/experience for himself.
*Obama hasn't let other people campaign and play the race card for him.
*Obama has the guts to speak the truth and not cheer for cosmetic "fixes" for issues


I don't think Clinton knows what the "working class" is, because every time she uses the term it sounds like she's talking about the unions. Unions, in general, aren't working class any more; they part of the parasites on the real working class, those of us down below who have to pay the jacked-up prices that come on products thanks to those unions.
And I strongly doubt she'd have a better chance of getting legislation moved. There are too many people in Congress who hate her, who would do their best to block or mess up ever last item she wants. But with Obama, there will be a softening effect for many congresscritters just because he'd be the first black president.

 

[Dobson73]

And by the way, your #1 does not want Hillary to leave early.
There are a number of reasons for this.

I quite agree. Good point, there's no way he wants her out early. He's a smart boy and knows the benefit of her sticking around for another couple of weeks until the Primaries are over.

 

[MystikWizard]

Comparing Obama to Sharpton is like comparing a white supremecist to a white peace activist. Sharpton is a character distinguished by torrid hair and and an even filthier mouth. I personally, from this moment on, am banning Sharpton from representing blacks because his we-are-victims mentality FUELS the image of the paranoid black racist. If a black person is in line an Wendy's and is told their out of a drink, fast-forward a week and Sharpton is in her home saying that the entire world is racist because one woman couldn't get cheese on her sammich. 2 minutes into the interview he pushes her off camera and begins spouting his own personal agenda and thus his self-promotion is continued by running around America finding racism in coincidental situations.

Well said, Marley. Even though both of them became involved in the Duke lacrosse case, for example, when the facts were becoming more apparent, Jackson distanced himself from the case, when Sharpton kept stirring the pot, and even still offered to financially support the woman and send her to college, when it became clear she concocted the story for money (in an effort to save face while the spotlight was on the case).

Now, of course, she is yesterday's garbage to him, since nobody is paying attention. Someone like Sharpton does nothing to improve race relations in this country, and is more of a leech than anything else. This is his living, after all.