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Home Owner's Associations

I own a home that has a HOA and I love it. Everything in the community is kept up, we have 8 parks within the community, playgrounds, jogging trails, a golf course and we have security that patrols the neighborhood all day and night. Plus going to the monthly meetings helps getting to know all the neighbors in the area. It's organized and gives me a sense of pride of ownership. But like other posters have said they all have their pros and cons.
 
There's good and bad in an HOA. In NJ, the Supreme Court has ruled that they can do pretty much anything they want in terms of rules with few exceptions.

The good is that they take care of my lawn and bushes. They are responsible for taking care of structural issues, like leaking roofs and siding that gets damaged. They have to shovel the snow, not me. The bad is that all our window treatments must show as white from outside the house and you can't put 40-50 Pink Flamingoes out front. That's about it.
 
I owned a house in a subdivision with an HOA. The annually dues were $200/year when I purchased the house and was raised to #300/year a few years later. I lived in the house about eight years.

The dues went to the maintenance of the community swimming pool, street lights, and mowing the common areas which were near the pool and the two entrances.

They did some good for the community. They sued a construction company who broke up a road with their heavy trucks and won.

The bad part is that there are rules, community covenant, that govern what you can and cannot do to your own property.
 
It's just another form of government with another form of taxes.

That's exactly right. But you also seem to have less recourse against them when they are repressive.
 
Why would I spend all of that money to buy my dream home just to have a bunch of uppity bitches tell me what color is has to be, what I'm allowed to add onto it, how often I have to mow my lawn, which cars I can park in my drive way, how many and which kinds of pets I can have, and how I'm allowed to decorate it for Christmas?

Not everyone's ideal neighborhood includes endless rows of beige houses with Lexus minivans parked in the driveway. If I own the house, I'm doing whatever I damn well please with it.
 
funny story overheard - fellow had a truck too big to fit in his garage, so he parked it in his driveway. several heated exchanges with the HOA ensued, citing rules and by-laws. Finally, he began parking his truck at the utility company a few blocks away and driving a huge tractor home. Letter from the HOA came asking that when he was finished with construction, would he please remove the tractor. He wrote back - "You still don't get it. This IS my transportation. I've gone over the rules and by-laws, and nowhere does it say I can't park a tractor in front of my home. And until you convene a majority to amend the by-laws, you can fuck off." The next letter he recieved informed him the HOA would be thrilled to allow him to park his truck in the driveway if he removed the tractor.
 
funny story overheard - fellow had a truck too big to fit in his garage, so he parked it in his driveway. several heated exchanges with the HOA ensued, citing rules and by-laws. Finally, he began parking his truck at the utility company a few blocks away and driving a huge tractor home. Letter from the HOA came asking that when he was finished with construction, would he please remove the tractor. He wrote back - "You still don't get it. This IS my transportation. I've gone over the rules and by-laws, and nowhere does it say I can't park a tractor in front of my home. And until you convene a majority to amend the by-laws, you can fuck off." The next letter he recieved informed him the HOA would be thrilled to allow him to park his truck in the driveway if he removed the tractor.

That's exactly my point. Who the fuck are they say which vehicles he can park in HIS driveway? It's HIS house, HIS truck, and HIS driveway. It's no business of theirs what he does with them. I don't care if he wanted to park the Wienermoble on his front lawn. It's HIS property. Who would pay to be a part of these evil things?
 
Thanks for the positive side of things. I knew there had to be some on here that like them.
 
So, as long as you don't get some fucking bitch with nothing better to do than prowl the neighborhood looking for small infractions, (my Mom has a bitch like that where she lives) in the long run, it will protect your investment, and property values.

Therein lie the whole problem.

As someone who lives in a Townhome w/ an HOA, as well as having had my Real Estate License, working part time with the plan sponsor(Builder) when the Association was built, here is some information to try and clear up some confusion.

1. A "Homeowner's Association" (H-O-A) is just another word for "Condominium" or "Townhome" owner's association, which also encompasses single family homes. They are interchangeable as far as the law is concerned.

2. You don't have to have a "H-O-A" to have restrictions on what you can and can't do with your property - I'll explain, below.

3. ANY and ALL properties governed by an H-O-A must have a Prospectus, which details the Rules and Responsibilities of the owners and the association, including what it takes to change the bylaws - some things can be changed by simple "rules" passed by a majority of the board, some things require a supermajority of the vote of the owners. Boards may issue variances, but they may not unduly restrict the published rules.

When you look at property, ASK the agent if there is an H-O-A governing the property. If you make an offer on a property, make sure part of your offer is contingent upon examination and approval of any prospectuses and any public records - i.e. transfers of title, liens on record, deed restrictions.

This is typically done by your attorney - that's what you are paying him for. BUT, make sure YOU are comfortable with all restrictions, responsibilities. To the attorney, they may be "standard, boiler plate" conditions; to you, they may be fucking non-starters.

Now, I mentioned Liens and Deed Restrictions.
Whether a Condominium, Townhome, Gated Community w/ amenities, or "regular single family homes in a "normal" neighborhood", the property for sale may have deed restrictions. (There may also be town ordinances regarding what you can/can't park/"Store" in your front/visible driveway.)

The developer's try to make sure that the neighborhoods they are building will be attractive to prospective buyers through at least the life of their direct involvement with the neighborhood. Further, since their name will be associated with the neighborhood for some time to come, they want to have a good reputation, so their newer communities are well received, too.

Many neighborhoods prohibit Chain Link Fences - at least in the front of the house, many even in the back. Similarly, many neighborhoods prohibit laundry lines or poles on the property. This, even without any kind of H-O-A. How, you ask? Because the builder put a deed restriction in the original sales contract that runs with the property in perpetuity. The same can apply to house color, type of siding. If you do something that is prohibited by a deed restriction, your "overly friendly" fuck-ass neighbor can complain to the town code enforcement, or take you to small claims court.

Many associations preclude Townhome owners from ANY plantings - theory being the foundation plantings, trees are maintained via your H-O-A fees, they want a sense of continuity. Many people like to plant Tulips, Daffodils, or similar. Some H-O-A's permit with a "blind eye" as long as it's not overdone. Others have know it alls that are a pain in the ass. Our association has "additional common area parking spaces" that are "unreserved, available on a first come-first served basis to anyone having business in the association, including the 'transient' use of owners." We've lived here for coming up on 20 years. I bought while an agent for the builder/plan sponsor, and got verification that it was within the by-laws for me to park in the pad in a "common" space while my wife used our private drive space - nobody's getting in the garage any time soon due to too much shit.

No problem for 15 years. Then we get a board w/ an asshole who thinks himself an expert in all things, including selectively reinterpreting the association by-laws. They also started calling the parking spaces a word that does not appear anywhere in the prospectus, the governing document of the association: "Guest" spaces. They also decided that "transient" meant "only on rare occasion". I guess they are unfamiliar with Electrical Voltage Lines that have "regular transients" - as in, I leave for work in the morning, giving up the space to whomever might need it. I have no claim to a specific common area parking space. When I come home at night, I park in an available common area parking space - regular, yet transient.

I had to go to the town building dept manager and have him advise the H-O-A that, while the common area parking might be owned by the association, it was a condition of the town, and its use defined by the town, for the plan sponsor to get the "Pud" certification and zoning approval to build the townhomes. He also mentioned that, while they were required by the town "to be available for use at all times", the town was aware that the H-O-A routinely used some of the common spaces for storage of such things as roofing while we were re-shingling - a 3-5 year project over seasons, and the bulk dropping of mulch, and Johnny on the Spots during roofing and siding repairs. Hint Hint.

Up until that time, they were getting ready to try and fine me $100/month for violating the parking. There were other people in the neighborhood who parked similarly who they didn't cite. They cited me and my former neighbor who did abuse the privilege - parking 3 cars just for him, plus his kids two cars - but I fought. They tried to ignore me. I finally asked if I had to sue the association AND each board member, individually, asking the judge to waive their protections from personal judgements (i.e. the association umbrella insurance wouldn't apply because they were on a vendetta, not being prudent fiscally responsible members). They sent a newby board member to talk to the town building inspector to verify all that I had forwarded to the Management company. I got an retraction from the board member, directly, not on H-O-A letterhead, not via the management company. I scanned and e-mailed it to them, anyway. The management company got so fed up with our H-O-A board, they declined to renew the relationship.

On the other hand, I do know of an H-O-A member in another community that roto-tilled the back yard and planted over $600 of flowers w/out approval - then got pissed off when they told her to get rid of it - she didn't, so they did, and she got hit with the bill.

Reasonable people can achieve reasonable goals. The problem is different people have different definitions of what is reasonable. Just ask any TeaPartieer, Conservative Republican, Mid-stream Republican, Liberal Republican, Libertarian, or Left-wing pinko Democrat, lol.

Know what you're signing on for before you are on the hook. Add clauses to purchase offers making sure that your offer is conditional on your approval of any and all liens, deed restrictions, convenants and easements, H-O-A rules, etc.

Oh, yeah, our H-O-A is restricted from increasing fees by more than 20% per year, I think, without a general election. They can impose a special assessment of up to 20% w/out a general vote, too. That is what they did when it came time to re-roof/side and the original architect's estimates for reserves was woefully inadequate.

Caveat Emptor.

Most of our neighbors have been great, or at least silent. One difficulty is that Condominiums and Townhomes in the suburbs tend to attract seniors more than those just starting families, who might be a bit more tolerant of decorative flowers.
 
I like Home Owners Associations. I like them when the breadth and scope

of their power is clearly delineated written in simple English not boiierplate

or lawyer. In two places I owned, there was a "Pre-nuptual" (so to speak)

in simple English addressing my concernis. A simple legal codicil to my

purchase agreement. Only used it once. Got a $12,000.00 settlement and a

court order for them to cease and desist harassment tactics. That neighborhood

is still gogeous, no junkers or neglected yards and the community facilities

are now gated and pass key controlled.
 
You've all given me a lot to think about. I've been thinking of buying a townhome in the area in the next few months. Now I know to ask the other residents what they think of the regulations.

And it makes me want to eek out the extra bit of $$ to get a real single family house so I can decorate it (inside and out) any way I wish to.
 
So it is a community home (group of houses) with one drive way and one gate ?
I hope the rules are simple and not much fees involved if there is a dispute.
 
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