Homophobia from within the LGBT community

[SaskGuy]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/2...-mens-reps-because-they-dont-face-oppression/

it seems that the rest of the LGBT community is more interested in being professional victims than achieving any actual progress.

 

[NotHardUp1]

What an excellent example of the misuse and misapplication of "homophobia."

Long ago, it became the practice to fling it at anything anti-gay as the equal of "racist" in supposed discourse or debate. It doesn't really have to mean anything, and certainly not "fear of homosexuals," just "other." In truth, "homophobia" is used to merely mean "anti-gay," and skates by on the assumption that the only thing one can hate or dislike is born of fear of it. It is an absurd precept.

As for the question in the article, the politics of LGBTLMNOP coalitions are often fractured, obfuscated with mumbo-jumbo, and suffer from rarefied atmospheres of hypercorrectness that eventually leave no quarter for anyone. It's only a lifeboat, and there is no more food. Time to draw straws to see who we can eat first.

We fight for rights, but not the right to be victims in perpetuity. In the end, it's just college.

 

[pat grimshaw]

....the LGBT community is more interested in being professional victims....

Victimhood is fashionable nowadays. Victims allow middle class people to 'Virtue Signal'. Even this person claims to be a victim—

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thr...nd-Says-Hard-To-Be-A-Handsome-Young-White-Man

The current PC fashion says that victims have moral superiority. That's why rich English trendies want to be photographed with the migrants invading Europe because victims but fashionable but they certainly don't want to have those poor migrants moving into their neighbourhood.

 

[refujiunderground]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/2...-mens-reps-because-they-dont-face-oppression/

it seems that the rest of the LGBT community is more interested in being professional victims than achieving any actual progress.

Basically. Hate to say this but the lgbt rights movement has been fucked simply because you havea good pottion of gay white guys that have made lgbt rights into it being solely all about themselves and gay white guys getting rights to fully achieve their white privilege and that's that. They couldn't give a fuck about gay civil rights for the entire group. Notice how for them, the whole gay civil rights thing was achieved when they got the right to marry. Gay rights has become more of a self serving thing. I also hate how they act like all of us nonwhite gay guys or the bullshit terminology "people of color" which I find offensive as fuck are all one in the same. Sorry but all nonwhite gays do not share the same struggle. US black gay guys for example as a group have our struggles within the gay community on our own. We face discrimination and shit from other nonwhite gays as well. Many try to piggyback off of us but we get marginalized and etc by the lgbt community. Our impact and influence on gay culture and lgbt rights are downplayed to the point where we are made out to be powerless where the narrative becomes us basically depending heavily on white people and shit when we've been holding ourselves down and helping out the white gay community. Shit is sad.


And Smh @ this label "cis". Wtf?

 

[Telstra]

There will always be issues
when gay men feel embarrassed to kiss in public and the public disapproval compared to straights kissing in public.

 

[refujiunderground]

There will always be issues
when gay men feel embarrassed to kiss in public and the public disapproval compared to straights kissing in public.

That's basically the point. If someone really believes that prejudice and discrimination will go away because they can choose to run away from the outside world and shelter themselves into a gayborhood in a huge city or around other gay people so they feel a sense of comfort and disillusionment where these issues disappear shows that these these issues are indeed still serious. If they weren't, there would be no need to self segregate to the point of isolating yourself from the rest of society to feel accepted. That's why the whole "it gets better" thing is a lie. It goes back to the idea of being self serving but it doesn't take away the fact that bigotry and prejudice are still present.

From my experience, the whole idea of me having to isolate myself away from society into a gayborhood or a gay friendly area does not work for me. It makes no sense. Being a black male, I already face prejudice going to certain crowds within the gay community and basically feel that I have to stick with other gay black people as a way of feeling safe.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Maybe give "it gets better" a break.

The point of the slogan is to remind minors that self-determination in adulthood is indeed MUCH better than being captive in a parent's household with little liberty.

 

[refujiunderground]

Maybe give "it gets better" a break.

The point of the slogan is to remind minors that self-determination in adulthood is indeed MUCH better than being captive in a parent's household with little liberty.

Fool, that's true for everybody not just gay people. If you're attempting to throw a blanket insult at me with that comment, you really should try harder because it didn't work. In fact, it just shows that you are frustrated. Wonder why.

I find it that many gay white people such as yourself do not have any idea of the reality of how discrimination and prejudice works. Case in point, "it gets better". Prejudice and discrimination dont disappear simply because you can create a bubble to hide from the world. You can come out the closet, move to nyc, have a circle of gay friends, and integrate yourself into gay society all you want but that doesn't change anything. In fact, I think that in itself is more dangerous if anything because that's just lying to one self. It saddens me to see other gay people get shocked when they hear about bigoted government officials simply because the supreme court disabled a piece of legislation. If it doesn't get better for black people, women and other current disadvantaged groups in america that have had a history of dealing with that shit, you think it's gonna be any different for gay people?

 

[NotHardUp1]

You really need to drop the Mr. T impression. No one was insulting you.

You blow "it gets better" out of the water like it was some fraudulent cigarette advertizing. It wasn't.

It gets better applies to more than just gay teens. It applies to teens period.

The fact that life isn't easy doesn't change the truth behind "it gets better." It DOES get better, and not just for whitey.

Not even the other black posters on this forum agree with you that it doesn't get better.

 

[Telstra]

That's basically the point. If someone really believes that prejudice and discrimination will go away because they can choose to run away from the outside world and shelter themselves into a gayborhood in a huge city or around other gay people so they feel a sense of comfort and disillusionment where these issues disappear shows that these these issues are indeed still serious. If they weren't, there would be no need to self segregate to the point of isolating yourself from the rest of society to feel accepted. That's why the whole "it gets better" thing is a lie. It goes back to the idea of being self serving but it doesn't take away the fact that bigotry and prejudice are still present.

From my experience, the whole idea of me having to isolate myself away from society into a gayborhood or a gay friendly area does not work for me. It makes no sense. Being a black male, I already face prejudice going to certain crowds within the gay community and basically feel that I have to stick with other gay black people as a way of feeling safe.

What do you mean "it gets better is a lie".
Its about harm prevention !!!

 

[vidarr]

A community as large as LGBT is going to face prejudice no matter what.. Whether it's directed at blacks, hispanic, white, or whoever isn't the issue.
It still is terrible but that's not related to this.

When you talk about rights... Just because we can marry, does not mean the fight is over.
New laws are already in motion that allow people to evict us, or fire us from our job.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Basically. Hate to say this but the lgbt rights movement has been fucked simply because you havea good pottion of gay white guys that have made lgbt rights into it being solely all about themselves and gay white guys getting rights to fully achieve their white privilege and that's that. They couldn't give a fuck about gay civil rights for the entire group. Notice how for them, the whole gay civil rights thing was achieved when they got the right to marry. Gay rights has become more of a self serving thing. I also hate how they act like all of us nonwhite gay guys or the bullshit terminology "people of color" which I find offensive as fuck are all one in the same. Sorry but all nonwhite gays do not share the same struggle. US black gay guys for example as a group have our struggles within the gay community on our own. We face discrimination and shit from other nonwhite gays as well. Many try to piggyback off of us but we get marginalized and etc by the lgbt community. Our impact and influence on gay culture and lgbt rights are downplayed to the point where we are made out to be powerless where the narrative becomes us basically depending heavily on white people and shit when we've been holding ourselves down and helping out the white gay community. Shit is sad.


And Smh @ this label "cis". Wtf?

You have to be the most triggered person on the internet.

 

[Taralen]

Maybe give "it gets better" a break.

The point of the slogan is to remind minors that self-determination in adulthood is indeed MUCH better than being captive in a parent's household with little liberty.

Let's not kid ourselves. That whole bullshit was that the gay community is a haven where once you leave High School, will be so welcoming and supportive to you.

It is, but you have to pass a qualification list which very few people are able to pass.

 

[Mitchymo]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/2...-mens-reps-because-they-dont-face-oppression/

it seems that the rest of the LGBT community is more interested in being professional victims than achieving any actual progress.

So, that article is saying that the NUS has dropped their rep role for gay men, because gay men are no longer oppressed, and instead, the representive groups are there for the more marginalized.
This suggests that gay rights have done well here in the UK. This is great.
It is pretty damn annoying that there are gay men out there who seem to think that gay rights is more about eliminating the prejudice than achieving the equality.
Gay rights have only achieved the level they have through the support of those who are not prejudiced to begin with. And the equality helps to deter prejudice from setting root in others.
The prejudice itself is hardly a great issue as long as rights are protected. To be a gay student told by the NUS that being gay is no longer oppressive, that IS in sync with British social norms. It doesn't mean that prejudice no longer exists towards those who are not cisgendered, and i see the article reporting a motion blaming cis gay men for homophobia within the gay community, but, a) gay rights as a whole have been served, b) cis gay men are subject to prejudice within the gay community too, and c) rights for marginalized groups are still represented. There is no need to conflate different social issues.

To refujiunderground:- as a white male, i can't empathise with your own struggles, but beating up on the white gay guy is not only racist, but its completely pointless. Gay rights and racism are two different things, and its quite an hypocrisy to attack the white gay guy over your personal struggles being a guy who has to deal with dual prejudice. Like i said, i can't empathise with that, but i do sypathise. You lose that sympathy by devaluing the equality achieved within gay rights. Its like you are transferring hate.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Let's not kid ourselves. That whole bullshit was that the gay community is a haven where once you leave High School, will be so welcoming and supportive to you.

It is, but you have to pass a qualification list which very few people are able to pass.

I'm not sure if you're not confusing Avatar with reality or something.

The POINT of the "it gets better" campaign was to REMIND teens that they are not going to struggle forever to simply have a boyfriend over, have a boyfriend, or perhaps simply BE free of a social circle (high school) that is homophobic and heteronormative. And I remind all that it was/is not an exclusively gay campaign, but targeted at ALL teens who may be bullied or otherwise oppressed and depressed.

Major celebrities participated, many more than LGBT members themselves.

And guess what? It did send the message. Kids DID see that there is a world waiting for them after school, with MANY supportive forces. We can't and don't promise them that we got rid of all the bad guys. We didn't. We told them they won't be fighting them alone.

 

[rareboy]

Refuji's anger against everyone is the only thing that validates him.

He is determined to make sure that everyone is always in a no-win position. Who even really bothers to take his repetitive rants seriously after five years of him posting the same rant?

He is hardly a spokesman for the black gay community although he seems to feel that he is the only one speaking 'truth'.

Taralen does the same. He is someone who has had some bad life experiences and has decided that he is the standard bearer for all young black gay men. He isn't.

 

[refujiunderground]

So, that article is saying that the NUS has dropped their rep role for gay men, because gay men are no longer oppressed, and instead, the representive groups are there for the more marginalized.
This suggests that gay rights have done well here in the UK. This is great.
It is pretty damn annoying that there are gay men out there who seem to think that gay rights is more about eliminating the prejudice than achieving the equality.
Gay rights have only achieved the level they have through the support of those who are not prejudiced to begin with. And the equality helps to deter prejudice from setting root in others.
The prejudice itself is hardly a great issue as long as rights are protected. To be a gay student told by the NUS that being gay is no longer oppressive, that IS in sync with British social norms. It doesn't mean that prejudice no longer exists towards those who are not cisgendered, and i see the article reporting a motion blaming cis gay men for homophobia within the gay community, but, a) gay rights as a whole have been served, b) cis gay men are subject to prejudice within the gay community too, and c) rights for marginalized groups are still represented. There is no need to conflate different social issues.

To refujiunderground:- as a white male, i can't empathise with your own struggles, but beating up on the white gay guy is not only racist, but its completely pointless. Gay rights and racism are two different things, and its quite an hypocrisy to attack the white gay guy over your personal struggles being a guy who has to deal with dual prejudice. Like i said, i can't empathise with that, but i do sypathise. You lose that sympathy by devaluing the equality achieved within gay rights. Its like you are transferring hate.

I'm not beating up on anybody. I'm just calling it for how I see it. Do you know how many times I've seen supposed gay outlets basically be centered around white men like they are the only people that can be gay. It's very angering. Even in gay porn, that shit is present. They literally exclude anybody who isn't white and marks them down as a fetish porn. Nobody is saying that folks have to have sex with whoever but respect should be given. I hate when I see people flipping the racism issue within the gay community to it being about white people having sex with nonwhites as if that's supposed to address the real problem. Like someone can't be prejudiced and still have sex with the someone of the group they are prejudiced against-fetishizing and etc. It makes no sense for folks to be riding the coat tails of black gay people or black people for that matter who actually have contributed so much for gay rights but then we get dissed by the same people who piggybacked off of us for the longest. If you see the narratives that these gay rights organizations and etc present, you would think no gay black people or any nonwhite gay people exists or non whites havent atributed anything. We do matter when it comes to cultural influences and homophobia which is almost usually the whole "black people are homophobic" bullshit that the gay community loves to swing created by some racist losers.

 

[johaninsc]

You really need to drop the Mr. T impression.....

 

[Mitchymo]

I'm not beating up on anybody. I'm just calling it for how I see it.

Well as i see it, you are beating up. And maybe on yourself more than anyone.

Do you know how many times I've seen supposed gay outlets basically be centered around white men like they are the only people that can be gay. It's very angering. Even in gay porn, that shit is present.

I don't want to have to point out the obvious, since you know full well, but you are in an ethnic minority in your country. Also, the vast majority of porn producers are based in predominantly white nations who feed the primary demands of their citizens and the main markets, using models from those same places where ethnic models are in the minority.

 

[refujiunderground]

Well as i see it, you are beating up. And maybe on yourself more than anyone.



I don't want to have to point out the obvious, since you know full well, but you are in an ethnic minority in your country. Also, the vast majority of porn producers are based in predominantly white nations who feed the primary demands of their citizens and the main markets, using models from those same places where ethnic models are in the minority.

No. The point of the matter is respect which comes fron kmowledge and awareness. Notice how you basically singled out that sentence of what I wrote and took it out of context to fit your narrative because that followed along with another thing concerning intentional exclusion and fetishizing that I wrote which had to do with my main point behind that sentence. Have you ever seen any gay black porns or even know about racism, racist stereotypes and etc. It would help to know the subject first in order to understand what I'm saying because I don't think you do. Please don't think that becuase you're white that you should be less inclined to learn about racism and shit. It would actually benefit you a lot. I've found that way too many people are expecting others to teach them things that they can learn themselves on their own They choose not to because ignorance is bliss.