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Homosexual Abomination!!!!!

KyleWells

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Sorry if this is a repost, i havn't seen a thread about it.


I guess I'd label myself as a christian. Obviously its hard believing in something that you believe rejects you but I still try to keep my faith.
This is a really eye opening documentary on religion and homosexuality.
It's the first time i've been teary eyed because of something i've seen. It was so heartwarming to see how many hardcore fundamentalist christians accepted their children anyways; im in the same boat. I havn't come out to my parents as a bisexual (mostly gay) because I'm in total fear about it. I don't know if I ever will. This documentary made me think about it though, but I dont know.

ANYWAYSSSSSSS here it is. If you havn't seen it already I suggest you watch it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWZb50p0Tg&feature=channel_page"]Part 1[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpEUrzMCePU&feature=channel_page"]Part 2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0o7KoiWzgE&feature=channel_page"]Part 3[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Y3gopuKt8&feature=channel_page"]Part 4[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-g3jGblzfI&feature=channel_page"]Part 5[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDjqgZrdrk&feature=channel_page"]Part 6[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQC7yCu_6Rc&feature=channel_page"]Part 7[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLUX3Of7-g&feature=channel_page"]Part 8[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5mpzuUQmX4&feature=channel_page"]Part 9[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=842L18Wtn1k&feature=channel_page"]Part 10[/ame]
 
Welcome to JUB! :wave:

Have you checked out the coming out forum? You might find some great information there and will be able to chat w/guys who are in similar situations.

I enjoyed watching the vids, and it is frustrating to see the damage that parents do to their kids, often in the name of Christ (which is just an excuse). It was also uplifting to see hear from the Christians who support inclusion. You know, your parents may surprise you if you ever decide to come out to them.

Speaking of parents, in the last vid, I sort of think that the parents might end up changing. Especially the mother. She had such a weak reason for not supporting her daughters union.

Thanks for sharing the vids. (*8*)
 
Puzuzzu said:
I'm not judging, i'm just expressing my opinion. I just think that.
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Didn't you read the first few sentences of his first post? It's pointless to argue with them, and this has been argued and debated to death.

Let the flaming commence.
 
Pushover said:
Didn't you read the first few sentences of his first post? It's pointless to argue with them, and this has been argued and debated to death.
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What has? Whether someone is gay or bi? Or whether Christians are...whatever?
I guess both apply. :D
 
I am a Christian and Bisexual. The scripture is against homosexuality but my walk with God is personal and ONLY he knows my heart.

It's NEVER about how a family, friend or stranger judges you. We allow ourselves to be affected by judgement because we do care about the people who we love most and how they see us.

But ultimately your LIFE and your personal relationship with God is between you and God. He's a forgiving God and he Loves us even when we disappoint him.

When you become an Adult your personal life can be as open or as closed as you want it to be to those you love.

My family and friends NEVER ask me for approval when they find partners of get married or when they buy a house or a car.

Now that you're an Adult your Life can be lived the way you see fit. If you feel certain things you do do not honor God then pray and ask for guidance and he'll send you answers...
 
Why is it that you're stickin' with religion if you don't mind me askin'?
 
EwanSF said:
Why is it that you're stickin' with religion if you don't mind me askin'?
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It's not really the religion I'm sticking with, It's god. I honestly do believe in god and that he has a path for all of us. Christianity, and many/most RELIGIONS have a lot of loop holes and contradictions, which is why I wouldn't say I belong to a religion.

But it's like rounding to the nearest 10, If I was to be labeled anything it would be christian. (most shared beliefs.)
 
Puzuzzu said:
I'm not judging, i'm just expressing my opinion. I just think that.
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What do you think I am then?
Why do you think I'm not bisexual?
















And to everyone who's saying I'd get a better response in the Coming Out forum. Thats not really why I made this thread. :( I just mentioned I wasn't out to my parents because it related to parts of the video. I wanted this to be posted in Hot Topics because I want to see what people think about Homosexuality and Religion. If the two can coincide or if they're always destined to clash.
 
Religion and homosexuality are "destined" to clash because religious people don't often think for themselves nor do they apply context to the bible, they read it verbatim and follow like robots.

If you take the bible literally, then women being in church, having a beard, eating shrimp, and working on Sunday are all sins.

A more practical approach for recognizing "sin" or a behavior God would condemn is two basic requirements. It's a sin if....

1. The action hinders the quest for Holiness (self-improvement).

2. It harms another human being.

Homosexuality doesn't fit into either category, so the only reasonable assessment is that there has got to be some other significance to the condemnation. Perhaps it was condemned because most of the men (in ancient times) engaging in homosexual acts were married men who worshipped fertility Gods. Of course this is moot because the average Christian won't bother rationalizing any of this because it contradicts their TRUE God which is a book.

Now...hold on guys, I'm finna fix me a sammich.
 
KyleWells said:
It was so heartwarming to see how many hardcore fundamentalist christians accepted their children anyways; im in the same boat. I havn't come out to my parents as a bisexual (mostly gay) because I'm in total fear about it.
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KyleWells said:
I wanted this to be posted in Hot Topics because I want to see what people think about Homosexuality and Religion. If the two can coincide or if they're always destined to clash.
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The first clue that the fundamentalist christian message is out to lunch is in your first post. A deeper understanding of the universe and your place in it is not supposed to bring you fear. Knowledge brings peace, understanding, compassion, contentment, completion, curiosity for more. It doesn't bring fear.

Based on your own instinct of fear in the face of fundamentalist ideology, it is the first indicator that fundamentalist christianity offers nothing worth having. I am sorry your family are victims of it.

As for the question of homosexuality's place in religion in general (other than in the realm of fundamentalist nonsense), homosexuality is real. It is the common, everyday experience of millions of people. Religion is the elusive property of those who claim to possess some insight into magic unknowables. Whenever reality threatens the mystical, the mystical tends to lash out. I don't think they are compatible. To me that insight is part of my gay experience, and it is one of the great fortunate things I have learned from the opportunity of being different.
 
This thread has a real potential of getting out of hand because there will always be people who want to just go over the top. I will lay this out for you the best I can.

The reason homosexuality is called an "abomination" is because of the fruit it produces in your life. All sin is sin - and when Jesus died for our sins, He died for them ALL. Past, present, and future. His act of dieing on the Cross provided a way for us to live with Him throughout eternity. Someone shouldn't get saved because they are afraid of going to hell - that causes someone to "serve" God out of fear and not develop a true relationship.

If you look back and read in the New Testament - the Apostle didn't preach hell or preach fire and brimstone - they preached the benefits of the Kingdom (the benefits of having a relationship with Jesus) The point is that being saved and walking with Jesus in relationship is what gives you access to the finished work of the Cross and that grace that cancels all sin.

The reason homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, is not because it is "worse" than another sin, but the fruit is that is drives you further away from God and teaches you to relate to a man in a way that God never intended. A very LARGE majority (not all) of homosexual men, are men who grew up without the love of a father or father figure in their life. That hole in the heart MUST be filled - so we go out and go from man to man trying to fill a void that can't be filled in this way. This ruins our identification with a father - spiritual or natural.

So God is referring to the FRUIT of that sin, nothing more. It's basically like this: God says "I wish you wouldn't get involved with that. It will cause an even GREATER gap between you and I". Understand?

There are so many religious (not true Christians) people out there that have no clue what the love of God is - they are terrible, terrible people and have caused a rift by trying to separate homosexuals as being worse, therefore breeding even more rejection which is already a major issue in the homosexual lifestyle. It's like being kicked while down.

The truth is that God is nothing like what so many portray Him to be. He IS love and acceptance. He accepts people AS THEY ARE. There is no need to change to come to Jesus - we come as we are and He is confident that if there is an area of our life that needs to be changed, He will do it over time, in love, and with Grace.

Don't you know that Jesus also was tempted to be gay? The Bible tells us that He was tempted in EVERY way that a person could be; that means rape, murder, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc, etc. It had to be like this so He could have compassion and know the problems and burdens we carry. When He looks at any of the people on earth, it is through the eyes of love and compassion - not fire and damnation.

He does require that we try our best and do our part to live a life that is representative of Him and His Kingdom - so that means if we have the power within ourselves to stop doing somethings that are sinful in nature, then we need to do that. But our salvation is not based in anyway on how "good" we are or how good we "act". It is all by His grace.

That's my $.02 worth.
 
fabulouslyghetto said:
Religion and homosexuality are "destined" to clash because religious people don't often think for themselves nor do they apply context to the bible, they read it verbatim and follow like robots.

If you take the bible literally, then women being in church, having a beard, eating shrimp, and working on Sunday are all sins.

A more practical approach for recognizing "sin" or a behavior God would condemn is two basic requirements. It's a sin if....

1. The action hinders the quest for Holiness (self-improvement).

2. It harms another human being.

Homosexuality doesn't fit into either category, so the only reasonable assessment is that there has got to be some other significance to the condemnation. Perhaps it was condemned because most of the men (in ancient times) engaging in homosexual acts were married men who worshipped fertility Gods. Of course this is moot because the average Christian won't bother rationalizing any of this because it contradicts their TRUE God which is a book.

Now...hold on guys, I'm finna fix me a sammich.
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Well, that was the whole point of the documentary. To positively push the average christian to look at things more cognitively and less closed minded. I'm going to assume you didn't watch the documentary seeing as you just repeated most of everything they said like it's something new.
 
bankside said:
The first clue that the fundamentalist christian message is out to lunch is in your first post. A deeper understanding of the universe and your place in it is not supposed to bring you fear. Knowledge brings peace, understanding, compassion, contentment, completion, curiosity for more. It doesn't bring fear.

Based on your own instinct of fear in the face of fundamentalist ideology, it is the first indicator that fundamentalist christianity offers nothing worth having. I am sorry your family are victims of it.

As for the question of homosexuality's place in religion in general (other than in the realm of fundamentalist nonsense), homosexuality is real. It is the common, everyday experience of millions of people. Religion is the elusive property of those who claim to possess some insight into magic unknowables. Whenever reality threatens the mystical, the mystical tends to lash out. I don't think they are compatible. To me that insight is part of my gay experience, and it is one of the great fortunate things I have learned from the opportunity of being different.
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I really wish I wasn't so afraid to come out. Sometimes I think, is it really necessary to tell them I'm bisexual? I still like women, maybe the one person i find that I decide to share my life with will be a women and it will be like nothing ever happened. But I don't know that for sure, I look at the future and think what if that person is a man. I wouldn't be able to hide that from them.
It hurts to think that I've spent my life being able to tell my parents anything and everything I go through, except I have this big secret I can't tell them.
I don't blame god for making my parents close minded, I blame the giant generalization of the christian church. I go to a church that luckily is very open about homosexual acceptance and that god loves everyone, but my parents are avid fans of James Dobson.
Enough said haha.
 
KyleWells said:
It's not really the religion I'm sticking with, It's god. I honestly do believe in god and that he has a path for all of us. Christianity, and many/most RELIGIONS have a lot of loop holes and contradictions, which is why I wouldn't say I belong to a religion.

But it's like rounding to the nearest 10, If I was to be labeled anything it would be christian. (most shared beliefs.)
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Fair play man, very reasoned response. It's better than the "I don't interpret liviticus/the qua'ran/whatever that way," cop-out that I usualy get.
 
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