Homosexual Abomination!!!!!

[KyleWells]

This thread has a real potential of getting out of hand because there will always be people who want to just go over the top. I will lay this out for you the best I can.

The reason homosexuality is called an "abomination" is because of the fruit it produces in your life. All sin is sin - and when Jesus died for our sins, He died for them ALL. Past, present, and future. His act of dieing on the Cross provided a way for us to live with Him throughout eternity. Someone shouldn't get saved because they are afraid of going to hell - that causes someone to "serve" God out of fear and not develop a true relationship.

If you look back and read in the New Testament - the Apostle didn't preach hell or preach fire and brimstone - they preached the benefits of the Kingdom (the benefits of having a relationship with Jesus) The point is that being saved and walking with Jesus in relationship is what gives you access to the finished work of the Cross and that grace that cancels all sin.

The reason homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, is not because it is "worse" than another sin, but the fruit is that is drives you further away from God and teaches you to relate to a man in a way that God never intended. A very LARGE majority (not all) of homosexual men, are men who grew up without the love of a father or father figure in their life. That hole in the heart MUST be filled - so we go out and go from man to man trying to fill a void that can't be filled in this way. This ruins our identification with a father - spiritual or natural.

So God is referring to the FRUIT of that sin, nothing more. It's basically like this: God says "I wish you wouldn't get involved with that. It will cause an even GREATER gap between you and I". Understand?

There are so many religious (not true Christians) people out there that have no clue what the love of God is - they are terrible, terrible people and have caused a rift by trying to separate homosexuals as being worse, therefore breeding even more rejection which is already a major issue in the homosexual lifestyle. It's like being kicked while down.

The truth is that God is nothing like what so many portray Him to be. He IS love and acceptance. He accepts people AS THEY ARE. There is no need to change to come to Jesus - we come as we are and He is confident that if there is an area of our life that needs to be changed, He will do it over time, in love, and with Grace.

Don't you know that Jesus also was tempted to be gay? The Bible tells us that He was tempted in EVERY way that a person could be; that means rape, murder, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc, etc. It had to be like this so He could have compassion and know the problems and burdens we carry. When He looks at any of the people on earth, it is through the eyes of love and compassion - not fire and damnation.

He does require that we try our best and do our part to live a life that is representative of Him and His Kingdom - so that means if we have the power within ourselves to stop doing somethings that are sinful in nature, then we need to do that. But our salvation is not based in anyway on how "good" we are or how good we "act". It is all by His grace.

That's my $.02 worth.

That was a very helpful two cents, thank you very much. It really does make me more positive to know that I'm not rejected by god.

Unfortunately I can't relate to the father figure example. I have a great father. He's always been there for me, always supports me in what I do, and things I don't want to do. He forced me to play baseball when I was little, but after about 10 years of his pressure i finally told him I wasn't into baseball at all. He understood and was okay with it. When I told him I was really into making music and maybe being a musician as my career, he encouraged me to go to concerts and everything haha.
He's great, but tied down by the ignorant teachings my mom spouts to him. He doesn't listen to a lot of giant religious people with a lot of influence (besides billy graham.) He's very dependent in his believes and studies the bible thoroughly. My mom on the other hand is awesome and loving, but is seriously brain washed by radio personal like James Dobson. It's depressing to see.
I have great parents, I don't need to find a male to fill a hole. (well haha maybe a couple holes)




What really stood out in that documentary was that by abomination they meant nontraditional. It wasn't traditional because the jewish were called to only procreate. (Like said in the documentary, that guy got executed for jizzing outside the vagina, and it was also against tradition to eat pork.) It really does make sense, why would god detest one of his creations.






Sorry if I'm long winded haha

 

[bokan800]

I've just seen the Documentary called Small Town Gay Bar.

To be honest, for me this topic is getting really really old, repetitive, stale, you name it. I've seen way to many of those.

Every time I see scenes like these, "GOD HATES FAGS" I just feel nothing anymore. I don't really feel bad or sad or angry the way I used to ... I just look at those type of people and think to myself... this people need to get a life seriously.

Those Christian groups are just ignorant, they don't know any better than what they are told.

 

[scottyz]

Sorry if this is a repost, i havn't seen a thread about it.


I guess I'd label myself as a christian. Obviously its hard believing in something that you believe rejects you but I still try to keep my faith.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you've been lied to. The supernatural does not exist. No souls, no spirits, no gods, demons, or angels. It is a physical universe.

You need to do a little homework and pay attention to what you see around you. If the supernatural existed, the world would be very different.

Religions are myths, nothing more. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real, and neither are Gods. I'm sorry your parents and friends did not tell you.

Live your life and be happy and free of guilt.

If you need help, do home work on evolution, genetics, and evolutionary biology. Also, learn about critical thinking and evidence-based belief.

Homosexuality is so common in nature, it should be obvious it is a natural biological event that most species experience. There is nothing wrong, immoral or dangerous about homosexuals any more than there is something wrong with people with red hair and green eyes, or people with black skin. We are what we are. God did not make us. Evolution did, and evolution doesn't judge us, except the final extinction.

 

[KyleWells]

If you're not sticking to any religion but believe in God then how do you know who he is and what he wants from humanity if there are no formal instruction books that you adhere to?

Do you follow god on personal feelings that change like mood swings or there is a foundation?

Through the bible. A lot, if not most of the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally.
A mistake that the christian church (and many other churches) has made is picking and choosing what scriptures to abide by and use as foundation for their hateful views.

If you watched the documentary then you would see a lot of peoples takes on the bible and what it means when the bible says negative things about homosexuality. Which a lot of them I already knew about and are kind of apparent, so I'm not basing my faith off this documentary.

Not to mention most of the people saying negative things about homosexuality, like Paul for example, were speaking for themselves. Thats where a lot of the women-are-peons-men-are-devine-rulers ideologies come from. Paul was a pig to begin with, not a great person to view as an example.

 

[KyleWells]

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you've been lied to. The supernatural does not exist. No souls, no spirits, no gods, demons, or angels. It is a physical universe.

You need to do a little homework and pay attention to what you see around you. If the supernatural existed, the world would be very different.

Religions are myths, nothing more. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real, and neither are Gods. I'm sorry your parents and friends did not tell you.

Live your life and be happy and free of guilt.

If you need help, do home work on evolution, genetics, and evolutionary biology. Also, learn about critical thinking and evidence-based belief.

Homosexuality is so common in nature, it should be obvious it is a natural biological event that most species experience. There is nothing wrong, immoral or dangerous about homosexuals any more than there is something wrong with people with red hair and green eyes, or people with black skin. We are what we are. God did not make us. Evolution did, and evolution doesn't judge us, except the final extinction.

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
First off, both science and religion are in the end, a belief. Evolution (not micro evolution) is a theory. It has not been proven. I could spend hours on this subject but I don't want this thread to get off subject.

There's "proof" on both sides as well. They've found many artifacts and landmarks from the bible that make it apparent it's not just some harry potter shit.

Not to mention a lot of science is based off a big assumption. Of course I'd never be stupid enough to deny science isn't true in the least bit. But a lot of people take science as literally as fundamentalist Christians take the bible.

The whole point of the LHC project was to find the higgins particle and tie up a lot of loose ends in science. It failed or some shit, like it was pushed back again after they already started, either way they didn't find it.

I have just as much validation believing there's a divine ruler as you do believing we came from small parasites, to plants and then to monkeys.

 

[bankside]

I have just as much validation believing there's a divine ruler as you do believing we came from small parasites, to plants and then to monkeys.

Well, despite the blunt edge of the message that set you off here, you don't have as much validation. "Or some shit" was my first clue that you were not making a rational statement about the way things are, but reacting again out of fear (again) that your cherished views were being challenged.

"It failed or some shit" just isn't on the same plane as evidence for the divine. There are some properties of the universe that could still allow for supernatural things to exist, but there is nothing like proof or even much in the way of evidence.

As for "archaeological evidence" supporting religion, and in particular the christian religion, let me give you this example.

In a thousand years, archaeologists will be able to find proof that there was a cathedral in rome called st. pauls. This won't prove a thing about the "gruesome elderly virigns" telling lies from within.

They will also be able to find proof that there was a place called "Mickey's Toontown" in a sacred site called "Disneyland." This will reveal nothing about the God known as Mickey Mouse and his fearsome angel of doom, Pluto.

They will also be able to find the Pyramids of Egypt, which will prove nothing about Anubis or Hathor or Ptah, or Ra or any other gods that are likely just as imaginary as the god of christendom.

 

[landers]

Part 9 seems to be gone, can anyone repost it?

 

[KyleWells]

Well, despite the blunt edge of the message that set you off here, you don't have as much validation. "Or some shit" was my first clue that you were not making a rational statement about the way things are, but reacting again out of fear (again) that your cherished views were being challenged.

"It failed or some shit" just isn't on the same plane as evidence for the divine. There are some properties of the universe that could still allow for supernatural things to exist, but there is nothing like proof or even much in the way of evidence.

As for "archaeological evidence" supporting religion, and in particular the christian religion, let me give you this example.

In a thousand years, archaeologists will be able to find proof that there was a cathedral in rome called st. pauls. This won't prove a thing about the "gruesome elderly virigns" telling lies from within.

They will also be able to find proof that there was a place called "Mickey's Toontown" in a sacred site called "Disneyland." This will reveal nothing about the God known as Mickey Mouse and his fearsome angel of doom, Pluto.

They will also be able to find the Pyramids of Egypt, which will prove nothing about Anubis or Hathor or Ptah, or Ra or any other gods that are likely just as imaginary as the god of christendom.

My cherished views?
What do I have to lose if religion isn't real.
My life isn't dampened because I believe in god. My life isn't restricted. So if in the end god and everything else in the bible is made up, I wouldn't regret anything.
I don't see why you're so apt on disproving Christianity. I'm not hurting you in any way so I honestly don't see the point.

and they've found more than just landmarks. Many artifacts, (like the arc of the covenant) have been found as well.




And yes, I do have validation. And I definitely don't need your verification.

 

[blackbeltninja]

If the supernatural existed, the world would be very different.

I'm intrigued.

Different how?

-d-

 

[RationalLunacy]

We both grew up in York, PA, and that town is difficult if your gay.

Try being gay in the heart of Amish-land, where I am!

 

[TygreBryte]

and they've found more than just landmarks. Many artifacts, (like the arc of the covenant) have been found as well.

Dude. That was a movie.

 

[TygreBryte]

A very LARGE majority (not all) of homosexual men, are men who grew up without the love of a father or father figure in their life. That hole in the heart MUST be filled - so we go out and go from man to man trying to fill a void that can't be filled in this way. This ruins our identification with a father - spiritual or natural.

That's my $.02 worth.

This leaves me with several questions. First, how large is that majority of homosexual men who grew up without the love of a father figure in their life? My second question after that is, how did you arrive at that figure?

Then after that, I have this question: You seem to be implying that what makes men gay (or the large majority of gay men, however large that majority is) is that they lack this father figure and that their gayness is trying to make up for that lack. (My understanding is that this is the "psychology" of gayness propounded by James Dobson/Focus on the Family etc.) Am I right?

Assuming the answer is "yes," then I have this question: How many straight men grew up without the love of a father/father figure in their life? Given the line of thought above -- that lack of a father figure "causes" homosexuality -- we would expect to find that a comparatively small number of straight men grew up without the love of a father/father figure. Am I correct, or have I gotten something wrong?

Assuming that I am tracking this correctly, and that the theory is that lack of father's love makes men gay, what then do we do with the theory if we find that there is a substantial number of straight men who grew up without father's love? And what, really, do we do with the men who are gay but who grew up with loving fathers?

Get rid of that theory.

KyleWells, I'm sorry you're afraid to come out to your parents. I hope you find that one woman who can scratch all your itches, and you never have to deal with this again.

 

[EwanSF]

The reason homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, is not because it is "worse" than another sin, but the fruit is that is drives you further away from God and teaches you to relate to a man in a way that God never intended. A very LARGE majority (not all) of homosexual men, are men who grew up without the love of a father or father figure in their life. That hole in the heart MUST be filled - so we go out and go from man to man trying to fill a void that can't be filled in this way. This ruins our identification with a father - spiritual or natural.

What a crock of absolute horseshit. Don't try and back up your twisting and turning to justify your place in a faith that despises you by slandering our sexuality, claiming we're this way due to being freudian mental cases, that fuck men because daddy didn't hug us enough. I can't begin to cover how offensive I find that. I find it absolutely staggering that you can still adhere to this arcane bullshit, while fully believing that it does condemn you. You're a fuckin' lost cause.

And the blatant hypocricy that is inherant in being a practicing christian manifests its self tenfold with your ridiculous interpretation. At least with most other bible-enslaved poofs, you at least get a stab at them trying to claim it's not a sin, mistranslation from the original hebrew or whatever. Infuriating as I find that, it's not a scratch on the mind-bending hypocricy of this "It's still a sin, but it doesn't matter, god will forgive me, 'cause I got a friend in Jesus." crap. I try to be tolerant of you lot but you continualy propogate a system that has persecuted, tortured and murdered us for centuries, by preforming logical backflips to remain within' it, so you do make it a fairly fuckin' impossible task.

 

[star-warrior]

Spirituality is often squished by gaudy trimmings of outward appearances of ceremony. The husk that is the praying, the recieving of the wafer and wine, the singing, the praising, the glib cantrips of well wishing in the name of some deity, that is all ceremony. To be spiritual, you don't need those outward ceremonies. Those are crutches which plenty of the devout religious cling on to, to display a superficial guise of being in touch with the spiritual. To be spiritual, IMO, is to be at one with yourself and all that is around you.

When you are at peace with yourself, then you are in a place that dissenters cannot reach to hurt you.

 

[KyleWells]

Dude. That was a movie.

Indiana fucking jones?


And no haha, you can really look it up. It was found a long time ago but some archeologists, they have it in a museum somewhere.

 

[TygreBryte]

Indiana fucking jones?


And no haha, you can really look it up. It was found a long time ago but some archeologists, they have it in a museum somewhere.

NNNnnnnnnooooooooo............. don't think so.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Well, that was the whole point of the documentary. To positively push the average christian to look at things more cognitively and less closed minded. I'm going to assume you didn't watch the documentary seeing as you just repeated most of everything they said like it's something new.

Those are a lot of vids and I just didn't feel like watching.

 

[landers]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
First off, both science and religion are in the end, a belief. Evolution (not micro evolution) is a theory. It has not been proven. I could spend hours on this subject but I don't want this thread to get off subject.

There's "proof" on both sides as well. They've found many artifacts and landmarks from the bible that make it apparent it's not just some harry potter shit.

Not to mention a lot of science is based off a big assumption. Of course I'd never be stupid enough to deny science isn't true in the least bit. But a lot of people take science as literally as fundamentalist Christians take the bible.

The whole point of the LHC project was to find the higgins particle and tie up a lot of loose ends in science. It failed or some shit, like it was pushed back again after they already started, either way they didn't find it.

I have just as much validation believing there's a divine ruler as you do believing we came from small parasites, to plants and then to monkeys.

I always get a kick when people say something is a theory and hasn't been proved. Theories can't be proved, only disproved. When evolution is proved it won't be a theory anymore it will be fact. Yes science is based off assumptions sometimes but scientists carry out experiments to prove their assumptions. Fundamentalists assume something then ignore anything that proves them wrong.

I don't doubt that many of the stories in the bible are based on actual events but after being copied for thousands of years who's to say mistakes weren't made? Who's to say someone didn't exaggerate here and there to make it more interesting?

As for the LHC there was a failure in the cooling system that allowed the temperature to rise several degrees above near absolute zero. Which required the test run to be halted to assess the damage and repair it. The project has not been stopped only delayed which means that the Higgs Boson hasn't been found yet, not "it wasn't found".

Since I have no validation believing we came from parasites to plants and then to monkeys according to your logic you must not have any validation believing in a divine ruler. It comforts me knowing your divine ruler does not exist while the theory of evolution is safely preserved, which among other things charts our origins from single celled organisms to the complex multi-celled organisms we are today without ever becoming plants...

 

[KyleWells]

Those are a lot of vids and I just didn't feel like watching.

Then don't bother even posting in the thread.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Then don't bother even posting in the thread.

You presented a topic, I commented just like everybody else. I'm hardly the only one who didn't watch the documentary. In fact, few of the posts here are directly about the vids. Do you want discussion or do you just wanna hear "nice documentary?"