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Honestly, is it really so bad?

is it really so bad ?

of course it is really bad from outside watching the news ....
 
Mikey3000 said:
How did her and Bill become multi multi millionaires?
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Come on Mikey, try to do at least a little research first. It's nothing torrid or illegal.

CNN said:
Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, combined to earn more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2016/02/05/po...hes/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/&rm=1

And George W. Bush does it too.

Politico said:
On talk circuit, George W. Bush makes millions but few waves

Since 2009, the former president has given at least 200 paid speeches, typically pocketing $100,000 to $175,000 per appearance.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2015...orge-bush-makes-millions-but-few-waves-118697

It's really one of the only ways that a past President can earn money.
 
To the question, is it (HE) really that bad? Unfortunately, yes. On some level, everyone want their POTUS to succeed. Hillary and whatever is bullshit. We should have seen that coming. Two years in, he still blames the Clintons and the Obama for all the ills of the Nation. Not all of his concepts are bad, even. Border security, jobs, tax reform, etc. HOWEVER. When have we had a POTUS that was mean spirited, cruel, dealt in personalities and name-calling, lied like a rug, benefited financially from office, refused to give up his financial information, hired his daughter and son-in-law as special advisers, delved into foreign policy before he took office, had a cabinet and staff that were a revolving door and denigrated his stellar picks after they bailed on him? This, when the clowns with no experience whatsover.....Perry, DeVoss, Carson will never leave. He invents crises....Korea, the border, etc. and presents himself as the savior of the situation. Kim Jong Un has all his missiles, keeps developing them and gets to buddy buddy with POTUS on demand. POTUS resents input from his advisers. He only relates to people who agree and reflect for him. He is narcissistic by any measure and internalizes any criticism. Moreover, he comes out as a Nationalist and opens the door for Racism, police brutality, NeoNazis, the Klan and Alt Right Chrisitian crazies that no other president in modern times would have tolerated for a minute. The Russia connection remains to be played out. Ironicially, many in his base who are MAGA and isolationist will come to see, albeit too late that Trump's Greater America has shifted the balance of power to other Super Powers...
 
Dystopian said:
... Chrisitian crazies that no other president in modern times would have tolerated for a minute...
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You have that backward. It's the Christian crazies that are tolerating him.

The Christian crazies lost their war on LGBT people in the Courts. So, they're made a Faustian bargain to elect all manner of less-than-competent, less-than-ethical, got-caught-with-boys-in-hotels, got-caught-paying-off-pornstars, money-lenders-in-the-temple politicians in hopes of packing the Courts with conservatives who will undo LGBT rights and put women back into their barefoot-and-pregnant natural state.

Is it that bad?

Watch what the social conservatives try to do with FOSTA-SESTA (which may affect what you see here on JUB).

Watch what they do to use the First Amendment and "religious protection laws" to protect "abused Christians practicing their faith" from having to treat LGBT people like human beings.

Watch what they do to use the First Amendment guarantees of free speech to protect their ilk from having to allow legal birth control and legal abortion.

There's a reason that they all voted for an acknowledged pussy-grabber and there's a reason that they're sticking by him even though he's guilty as sin.
 
We've had a number of Christian-based political parties, most notably the Reform Party which actually lasted for 13 years. It was succeeded by the Christian Alliance Party in 2000. Three years later, it, along with the Progressive Conservative Party, disbanded and merged to become the Conservative Party of Canada.

The Conservative Party has become more far-right and seem to be taking cues from Trump, using fear tactics and stretching their powers to their limits (and sometimes beyond) just to get what they want. Those who believe that Trump doesn't influence other countries are very, very wrong.
 
KaraBulut said:
You have that backward. It's the Christian crazies that are tolerating him.

The Christian crazies lost their war on LGBT people in the Courts. So, they're made a Faustian bargain to elect all manner of less-than-competent, less-than-ethical, got-caught-with-boys-in-hotels, got-caught-paying-off-pornstars, money-lenders-in-the-temple politicians in hopes of packing the Courts with conservatives who will undo LGBT rights and put women back into their barefoot-and-pregnant natural state.

Is it that bad?

Watch what the social conservatives try to do with FOSTA-SESTA (which may affect what you see here on JUB).

Watch what they do to use the First Amendment and "religious protection laws" to protect "abused Christians practicing their faith" from having to treat LGBT people like human beings.

Watch what they do to use the First Amendment guarantees of free speech to protect their ilk from having to allow legal birth control and legal abortion.

There's a reason that they all voted for an acknowledged pussy-grabber and there's a reason that they're sticking by him even though he's guilty as sin.
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Freedom of Religion should equate to Freedom from Religion. Were it were so. Tumblr has been sanitized of "Adult Content" and gays bloggers have bailed in droves. Supposedly Verizon wanted to appeal to a larger advertising base who were afraid of being fag lovers. They have picked up some third rate advertisers. Still people are posting scat, zoophilia, neo nazi white supremacist shit, lots of blogs lauding MAGA boys. The whole thing was very pointedly homophobic. You Tube has gone nuts with demonitizing anything that has "trans" in the title, guys with their shirts off (selective), while a bunch of body builders and massage blogs and so forth have tons of naked or half naked men.....very homoerotic, but they don't say the WORD, so it doesn't get flagged by the AI. There is definitely something up with our society and their is a lot of anti-gay sentiment, as well as a bunch of other minorities and immigrants are being targeted. Latinos have been on the verge of becoming the majority ethnic group in the US, outnumbering anglos. Therein lies the threat to our way of life...our White life....Jeez.
 
mikey3000 said:
And contributions to their charitable foundations.
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You're alleging that the Clintons profit from their Foundation. You've made that statement several times with no documentation to support your claim... that's because you have no support for your claims. It's another of your false statements that you make here on JUB that have no factual basis.


Democrat pundit: The Clintons 'take no salary,' get 'no personal benefit' from foundation [Politifact]
The Clintons don’t take a salary from this work, and they don’t receive any other direct monetary benefit. Other Clinton Foundation leaders take home six-figure salaries, according to tax documents.

The Clinton Foundation is a public charity that, as we have reported, allocates about 80-90 percent of its expenditures to charitable programs, while the rest goes to fundraising and overhead.
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Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go? [FactCheck.org]
...most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.

Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.
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The salaries are listed on the Foundation's Form 990 that is filed annually with the IRS. That form on page 7- which you can review here- lists the salary of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton as $0, even though all three Clintons worked at least 20 hours per week on Foundation-related business.

Not many charities provide their audited financials on their website. The Clinton Foundation does. You can read those here.

You can also read the reviews of the Clinton Foundation on Charity Navigator which is a good reference for any charity that you might be interested in contributing to. Charity Navigator rates the Foundation with 4 stars.
 
gsdx said:
Indeed. And they certainly don't buy sports memorabilia at auctions or pay of fines and lawsuits with foundation money.
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Or have to deal with the US Attorney of the Southern District of New York because of it. :)
 
KaraBulut said:
You're alleging that the Clintons profit from their Foundation. You've made that statement several times with no documentation to support your claim... that's because you have no support for your claims. It's another of your false statements that you make here on JUB that have no factual basis.


Democrat pundit: The Clintons 'take no salary,' get 'no personal benefit' from foundation [Politifact]


Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go? [FactCheck.org]



The salaries are listed on the Foundation's Form 990 that is filed annually with the IRS. That form on page 7- which you can review here- lists the salary of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton as $0, even though all three Clintons worked at least 20 hours per week on Foundation-related business.

Not many charities provide their audited financials on their website. The Clinton Foundation does. You can read those here.

You can also read the reviews of the Clinton Foundation on Charity Navigator which is a good reference for any charity that you might be interested in contributing to. Charity Navigator rates the Foundation with 4 stars.
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Really?
https://www.political.law/single-po...y-Clintons-84-Million-Money-Laundering-Scheme
Or
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-donations/
 
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