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Hopelessly In Love with my Bi Best Friend

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I don't post here much, but i've been going through a strange situation lately and haven't had anyone to talk to. Mainly because it's about the person I would usually tell it to. I met an amazing musician (I'm also a musician) last year and we're both 25, into the same music/interests. I assumed he was straight from the beginning, despite finding him beautiful in an androgynous kind of beautiful, long-haired Jim Morrison kind of way. But resolved not to develop a crush on him.

Fast forward a few months, we've gotten so incredibly close. We spend days on end together, whole weekends just in his bedroom or in mine and I've never been quite this close to anyone. And I've told him I'm gay and he tells me he's only mostly straight - he identifies somewhere between heteroflexible to bisexual. He's a pretty hopeless romantic with women and it seems he's smitten by a different girl every couple of weeks; he's only had sex with one man in college and most of his male crushes are actors. Somewhere along the way, our best guy friendship became overtly flirtatious. He started to tell me how how handsome and then 'pretty' and then 'sexy' I am and constantly comment on my features like my eyes and lips. He likes to comment when he thinks someone is interested in me and kind of talk about what I'd be like in bed (hypothetically). Then we have hypothetical conversations about how sex can complicate intimate friendships and how sometimes the friendship is more important. Real subtle. It's always been pretty innocent and I hold back in what I tell him beyond 'you look really good tonight' or 'that's a sexy picture of you' because I've realized I actually do have feelings now.

But he's gotten serious with a girl now and there's a tenseness when we spend days and nights together. He says we should sleep in the same bed and just cuddle and then holds back because he wants to be a 'good guy'. We got drunk recently and he overtly just said 'Sometimes i just want to kiss you, sometimes i can't help it. But I want to be a good boyfriend. I know that's wrong.' I said nothing and he got insecure asked, 'Is that a one-sided feeling? Did I make things awkward?' And I told him it's not and it's not awkward, but I couldn't say much more. Because I know I want him in a way I can't have him in. We spent the rest of that night kind of talking about sex and what we like sexually and I told him a sexual story and he kept getting hard and it was a little weird. He asked me if I would ever get involved with a guy who had sex with a woman but only one woman and no one else. I said I'd prefer to have him to myself.

At this point, I know he wants to fuck me. He tells me every time he sees me now that I'm beautiful and I think he knows that if we have sex, things will change between us. Also there's the girlfriend, who he likes to tell me he doesn't see a future with. Who he tells me is jealous of me and suspects we've had sex. But even if they break up, I'm sure there'll be someone else. He likes vaginal sex a lot. He asked me once, after I pondered how it feels to have m2f opp surgery, if I would do it and he suggested that I should. The scary thing is…. I feel that for him, I would consider it. If that meant what he suggests it means.

Now that I've written all this out, I don't know why I did. I guess I'm looking for advice and hoping for something more than just people telling me how stupid I am. I don't need to be told there are plenty of fish. I've been used and treated like shit by so many gay men since I was 16 and I've been numb in this area of my life for years. This guy is the first man I feel like I can bare everything to, spend endless days with, and I know his sexuality complicates things. Our friendship does too. So does his wandering eye. But I don't care; hell, I'd consider becoming a woman for this guy which is INSANE. (I won't do that) I just need a little reassurance.!oops!
 
So, in the past year, how many guys have you gone out with?
 
If you want an advice I can give you this one. Following my own experiences, if there's already attraction between you two things are not gonna last this way for a long time. So if you really want to have him as you said you have to be completely honest with him, even if it means to lose him in a way. Just because you have the right to be happy with someone else and not wait that he eventually process his attraction towards you, because in the mid time he doesn't stop himself from being involved with other people (and that the trick with bisexual men they think that because they are attracted to women it's not the same, when actually it's exactly the same thing). You've got feelings so you're hurt and its' normal, trust me I've suffered so much for the same reason, but it's not worth it, unless you act on it. Because first he is the one that is insecure and so you shouldn'tlet him the lead, and second what ever happens acting on those kind of feelings is also the best way to let them go. If he is not confident in himself now, don't lose your time, because he might never be, and you shouldn't be the one changing anything, you're gay he knows it already. Well all that to say that being honest with him is the only thing that would set you free from this situation in one way or another. And "fuck" the girlfriend because she is just a pretext not a real obstacle.
 
B...ut he's gotten serious with a girl now and there's a tenseness when we spend days and nights together. He says we should sleep in the same bed and just cuddle and then holds back because he wants to be a 'good guy'. We got drunk recently and he overtly just said 'Sometimes i just want to kiss you, sometimes i can't help it. But I want to be a good boyfriend. I know that's wrong.' ...
...Now that I've written all this out, I don't know why I did. I guess I'm looking for advice and hoping for something more than just people telling me how stupid I am. I don't need to be told there are plenty of fish. I've been used and treated like shit by so many gay men since I was 16 and I've been numb in this area of my life for years. This guy is the first man I feel like I can bare everything to, spend endless days with, and I know his sexuality complicates things. Our friendship does too. So does his wandering eye. But I don't care; hell, I'd consider becoming a woman for this guy which is INSANE. (I won't do that) I just need a little reassurance.!oops!

So, in the past year, how many guys have you gone out with?
Two and they were both late last year. Since the start of this year, I pretty much spend most of my time with this guy

The kind of relationship that you're describing- basically boyfriends without a sexual component, are common during the teenage and into the college-age years. In a 25 year old, it's getting past the age where it's healthy.

At age 25, you should be having this kind of relationship with a boyfriend. As long as you continue to be a satellite orbiting your friend from a distance, you will not be able to have a real boyfriend relationship with another gay man.
 
Obviously, with only 3 posts after being here for 3 years, you either don't visit here often or just don't have much to say, but let me suggest you read other threads on relationships. There you will find lots of guys doing the same thing you are doing, which is basically to waste their lives hoping that the guy they are "hopelessly in love with" will love them back. Rarely does it end the way they hoped. You can't help having feelings for someone, but feelings are not enough. One sided love is not enough either.
You are so emotionally invested in him now it's hard for you to see the situation rationally.
He says just enough of the right things to keep you hanging on. Is he toying with you? Is he just in denial? Only he knows, but
you have to take control of your emotions now. Have you tried telling him that you can't go on how things are now?

BTW, you are not being stupid. You want someone to love and you are hoping he is the one to love you in return. In an ideal world, that would happen, since you seem to have a real connection with him. If this is all about his sexual confusion, how much of your life are you willing to give up until he is no longer confused. His being bisexual is not the problem. The problem is he is unsure what he wants or who he is. Even if you end up having sex, that does not mean he will automatically know himself.
Sex sometimes only complicates things.

Good luck and keep us informed.
 
I don't know. You both sound mature enough reflecting about the value of friendship. You want an exclusive relationship while he likes girls as well. Would he be able to be faithful? Would you be able to live with his bisexuality?
 
I don't know. You both sound mature enough reflecting about the value of friendship. You want an exclusive relationship while he likes girls as well. Would he be able to be faithful? Would you be able to live with his bisexuality?

Thanks tarallucci, I appreciate your kind words and sincerity. To be honest, I don't know if he could remain faithful… a part of me would almost be able to live with that, so long as he doesn't talk to or sleep with another man. I think I could live with his sexual desires for girls as long as we are clear and on the same page.
 
Obviously, with only 3 posts after being here for 3 years, you either don't visit here often or just don't have much to say, but let me suggest you read other threads on relationships. There you will find lots of guys doing the same thing you are doing, which is basically to waste their lives hoping that the guy they are "hopelessly in love with" will love them back. Rarely does it end the way they hoped. You can't help having feelings for someone, but feelings are not enough. One sided love is not enough either.
You are so emotionally invested in him now it's hard for you to see the situation rationally.
He says just enough of the right things to keep you hanging on. Is he toying with you? Is he just in denial? Only he knows, but
you have to take control of your emotions now. Have you tried telling him that you can't go on how things are now?

BTW, you are not being stupid. You want someone to love and you are hoping he is the one to love you in return. In an ideal world, that would happen, since you seem to have a real connection with him. If this is all about his sexual confusion, how much of your life are you willing to give up until he is no longer confused. His being bisexual is not the problem. The problem is he is unsure what he wants or who he is. Even if you end up having sex, that does not mean he will automatically know himself.
Sex sometimes only complicates things.

Good luck and keep us informed.

I haven't been the greatest at posting and joining in the conversation on these boards, I admit, but I have read quite a bit. And I won't disagree that I am like all those other guys chasing after something they/I likely will never have; to his credit, he did try and have a direct conversation about this and ask me about my feelings. I was the one who completely froze and couldn't be honest. I agree with you and feel this is what I should do now.

I appreciate your assurance and telling me I'm not stupid, because I sure feel it at times. I know this is a messy situation I am in, but I think the key here is honesty and communication…I'm going to try to muster up the confidence to say something.
 
If you want an advice I can give you this one. Following my own experiences, if there's already attraction between you two things are not gonna last this way for a long time. So if you really want to have him as you said you have to be completely honest with him, even if it means to lose him in a way. Just because you have the right to be happy with someone else and not wait that he eventually process his attraction towards you, because in the mid time he doesn't stop himself from being involved with other people (and that the trick with bisexual men they think that because they are attracted to women it's not the same, when actually it's exactly the same thing). You've got feelings so you're hurt and its' normal, trust me I've suffered so much for the same reason, but it's not worth it, unless you act on it. Because first he is the one that is insecure and so you shouldn'tlet him the lead, and second what ever happens acting on those kind of feelings is also the best way to let them go. If he is not confident in himself now, don't lose your time, because he might never be, and you shouldn't be the one changing anything, you're gay he knows it already. Well all that to say that being honest with him is the only thing that would set you free from this situation in one way or another. And "fuck" the girlfriend because she is just a pretext not a real obstacle.

He totally thinks that way too! He thinks having sex with a woman and hooking up with a man having nothing to do with one another, I think you're right. I want to confront this head-on. My only hesitance is the girlfriend…I keep trying to gauge where he's at with this relationship and he keeps telling me he doesn't see it lasting. Now she's gone for 2.5 weeks and it's weird timing. He called me after dropping her off at the airport, the minute he did it, and told me he wanted to spend the weekend with me. He thinks they may breakup after she gets back…so do I be a good guy and wait for that to happen? Or act now and risk being the bad guy?
 
OK if he has a girlfriend you are no kind of friend if you try to push yourself into that.

He has a relationship, and it's not with you.

Frankly this whole thing sounds like fantasy. If he was interested in you, why did he run off and date someone else, unless he's a nasty cheater or a nasty cheater and a complete closet case, either of which makes him undate-able.
 
You are NOT the bad guy !!! And I told you the girlfriend is just one of the pretext he gives himself not to go any further with you. You have to take control, stop waiting because as far as I know there is always gonna be a pretext. So the question you need to ask yourself is "how long and how far I'm my gonna accept this situation for myself" that's it. Don't play the role he wants you to play because it makes it easier for himself to blame it on you. You're gay and you are attracted to him and obviously have a connection with him you don't have to feel sorry for it or thinking you're the bad guy or what ever. You don't have any problem, that you want to respect him is one thing but never take the blame. If you want to spend some time with him this week end just talk to him tell him how you feel, take the opportunity to be honest to him. But that's it the rest is not in your hands and take what ever happens.
 
OK if he has a girlfriend you are no kind of friend if you try to push yourself into that.

He has a relationship, and it's not with you.

Frankly this whole thing sounds like fantasy. If he was interested in you, why did he run off and date someone else, unless he's a nasty cheater or a nasty cheater and a complete closet case, either of which makes him undate-able.

You obviously never had a crush on a guy who doesn't admit he is attracted to guys... This is like a pattern the girlfriend is a way for him not to deal with his attraction to other men... So typical.
 
You obviously never had a crush on a guy who doesn't admit he is attracted to guys... This is like a pattern the girlfriend is a way for him not to deal with his attraction to other men... So typical.

TX-Beau is right, however. Once the guy said he had a gf, the OP needed to tell him the game playing was over. The guy is acting out sexually with a gay man for thrills without actually having to own his sexuality. The OP is allowing himself to be strung along and he will be the only one to be hurt, expect for the gf who will eventually be disappointed. As TX said, the guy is undate-able. Hopefully, hearing this badmediakarma will wake up and take control of his life and stop living in hope that the guy will choose him.
Pickwich, what you are saying is true, too. The OP can't change the other guy and his denial, he can only change himself, otherwise he can expect only heartache.
 
TX-Beau is right, however. Once the guy said he had a gf, the OP needed to tell him the game playing was over. The guy is acting out sexually with a gay man for thrills without actually having to own his sexuality. The OP is allowing himself to be strung along and he will be the only one to be hurt, expect for the gf who will eventually be disappointed. As TX said, the guy is undate-able. Hopefully, hearing this badmediakarma will wake up and take control of his life and stop living in hope that the guy will choose him.
Pickwich, what you are saying is true, too. The OP can't change the other guy and his denial, he can only change himself, otherwise he can expect only heartache.

Thanks for understanding! I'm not saying that TX-Beau is wrong however I don't think he understands and realise how difficult and hurtful it's to fall to the kind of men. Whereas I've been ther I've done that and to me it's like a song that I know too well...
 
Thanks for understanding! I'm not saying that TX-Beau is wrong however I don't think he understands and realise how difficult and hurtful it's to fall to the kind of men. Whereas I've been ther I've done that and to me it's like a song that I know too well...

Sugarpie, we've ALL been there. Most of the time the guy won't admit he likes guys because he doesn't, and we've wished that "fact" into our own heads because we want it to be true. Nor does it matter in the end since a guy who won't admit he likes guys will NEVER date you.

Plus in this case there is a girlfriend who already has him, while the OP pines and the douchebag BF seems to be playing games with both of them. Of course, we only have the OP's perspective, and we all know how easy it is to see only the things we want to see.

We pursue the unattainable because of fear usually, fear of getting hurt, fear of confirming the gay, fear of relationships, fear of taking a risk and being vulnerable, but it usually ends the same, you can chase the rainbow all you want, but you'll never catch it.
 
Thanks for understanding! I'm not saying that TX-Beau is wrong however I don't think he understands and realise how difficult and hurtful it's to fall to the kind of men. Whereas I've been ther I've done that and to me it's like a song that I know too well...

Thankfully, you lived and learned from your experience. Some guys never do, they just keep repeating the cycle or they keep holding out hopes with the same guy forever. I hope the OP is not one of them.
 
Thanks for understanding! I'm not saying that TX-Beau is wrong however I don't think he understands and realise how difficult and hurtful it's to fall to the kind of men. Whereas I've been ther I've done that and to me it's like a song that I know too well...
Sugarpie, we've ALL been there. Most of the time the guy won't admit he likes guys because he doesn't, and we've wished that "fact" into our own heads because we want it to be true.
And we've seen plenty of guys who crush on girls and girls who crush on guys in the same predicament.

It's like the person on the receiving end likes the attention and they hold out just enough "hope" or flirtations to keep the other person interested.
 
Sugarpie, we've ALL been there. Most of the time the guy won't admit he likes guys because he doesn't, and we've wished that "fact" into our own heads because we want it to be true. Nor does it matter in the end since a guy who won't admit he likes guys will NEVER date you.

Plus in this case there is a girlfriend who already has him, while the OP pines and the douchebag BF seems to be playing games with both of them. Of course, we only have the OP's perspective, and we all know how easy it is to see only the things we want to see.

We pursue the unattainable because of fear usually, fear of getting hurt, fear of confirming the gay, fear of relationships, fear of taking a risk and being vulnerable, but it usually ends the same, you can chase the rainbow all you want, but you'll never catch it.

Except my friend HAS admitted he likes guys and told me he thinks about making a move on me, but is deterred by (a) our intimate friendship we've developed and how that might change things and (b) his new girlfriend and being an honourable gent. I'm not questioning whether he wants me, I know he does. I just don't know in what context. Maybe it's just an experiment? Sure. But it's not about his being unattainable or impossible, I simply fell for him simple as that - I don't fetishize hetero dudes, I'm not sixteen anymore. Sorry if this comes off as short, but I just wanted to clear those things up. Thanks for taking the time to chime in and offer some advice x
 
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