House GOP on health care: For repeal, not replace

[chrisrobin]

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http://news.yahoo.com/house-gop-health-care-repeal-074334349.html

Go have another Merlot, Johnny.

 

[Benvolio]

Most Americans already have health care, while we have Medicaid for those who do not or cannot not buy their own. Perhapse it needs adjustment, but authoritarianism is not the answer. Let us reduce poverty so people can afford health care.

 

[Orlandude]

Most Americans already have health care, while we have Medicaid for those who do not or cannot not buy their own. Perhapse it needs adjustment, but authoritarianism is not the answer. Let us reduce poverty so people can afford health care.

That's a lie. Over 20 states (all republican red states) have opted out of expanding Medicaid to the uninsured, keeping in lockstep with their toxic ideology. Look up some facts. That means that all the people in those states who do not or cannot buy insurance will remain uninsured with no option except emergency room care, the most expensive care there is, that taxpayers in those red states will continue to pay.

How many jobs bills have you republicans obstructed? So stop lecturing about reducing poverty until you produce the millions of jobs you promised as a result of the Bush tax cuts.

 

[Benvolio]

The states continue to have Medicare, just not the expanded version. The Bush tax cost did create jobs, but they were lost after the Dems took Congress in Nov 06. Obama care is destroying jobs even now, as employers try to avoid the burden, by reducing the number of full time employees.

 

[nycguydowntown]

The states continue to have Medicare, just not the expanded version. The Bush tax cost did create jobs, but they were lost after the Dems took Congress in Nov 06. Obama care is destroying jobs even now, as employers try to avoid the burden, by reducing the number of full time employees.

Funny--you really live in the republican bubble---look--there is going to be health care in this country one way or another as this law gets tweaked--you talk about Medicare--gop was and is against that too---health care is a mess because gop never did a thing about it in all the years they could---and they are against all these things, just for the sake of being against them---as long as the hypocrites are getting all their government benefits---I heard an interesting story on NPR--a man was a strong libertarian---took nothing from the government--he saved a million dollars for health care--he used it up quickly when he and family got sick---when he got seriously ill, he died rather than be taken to an emergency room---now that is a man of principle (a little delusional) but he at least he lived what he believed.

 

[Benvolio]

The minority who pay income taxes are going to have to pay more for their own insurance under the Democrat plan, then they will have to give health care to the tax exempt majority of the people, then get in line behind them for degraded health care. Then they will have to watch research and development slow down to a crawl, as it must under socialism.

 

[Rolyo85]

It is so enlightening to see that even here Benvolio can't not show his xenophobia. It's subtle, but let's follow the logical thought process:

1. Dems "flood the country with millions of poor illegal immigrants".
2. Immigrants are all poor and don't pay taxes.
3. Real true red-white-and-blue blooded Americans pay taxes.
4. AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO STAND IN LINE BEHIND A BROWN IMMIGRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My ex said that to me a year and a half ago, when we were discussing Obamacare: "Republicans are just horrified that they won't get preferential treatment and might end up in line behind a black or a brown guy." It's ironic how right he turns out to be...

 

[rareboy]

The minority who pay income taxes are going to have to pay more for their own insurance under the Democrat plan, then they will have to give health care to the tax exempt majority of the people, then get in line behind them for degraded health care. Then they will have to watch research and development slow down to a crawl, as it must under socialism.

Liar.

You have not ever, ever been able to prove nor have you made even the least attempt to prove this ridiculous point. It is utterly false. Princess Margaret Hospital in Canada is one of the leading research centres in the world. The Hospital for Sick Children is one of the leading paediatric research centres in the world. Like most others they are supported by public funding and private largesse.

The security of single payer funding for health services has actually resulted in many innovations and technologies being brought to market by the European, Asian and North American imaging and bio-medical technology companies.

Stop lying.

 

[rareboy]

The other thing that you never respond to is that the US has the highest case cost with the worst outcomes compared to socialized medicine countries. You are defending the utterly indefensible. The dollars in the US healthcare system aren't going into clinical care and innovation.They are going into the 7 figure bonuses of the insurance company managers who decide who lives and who dies in the US.

 

[Benvolio]

"While there are many opinions about our nation's health care system (particularly in Washington), there's one overwhelming area of consensus -- the United States leads the world in medical innovation.

In addition to the best and brightest practicing medicine and state-of-art medical facilities, we have benefited from having the best and, usually, the earliest access to the latest medical technologies and innovations. In large part, this is because they were discovered, developed and produced here in America" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kenne...cal-advancements-who-is-leading_b_807796.html

That was the liberal Huffington Post. the reason the US has had the best care in the world is because of our leadership in medical innovation as a result of all the money we put into it, including those mean old drug and device companies Obama hates so much.
Admittedly, not everyone has that case in the same degree.

And no, an opinion about the future is not a lie because no one knows the future, they only have opinions.

 

[HenryReardon]

The other thing that you never respond to is that the US has the highest case cost with the worst outcomes compared to socialized medicine countries. .

Do a little research and you'll find that the facts don't back up your utterly ridiculous statement.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/co...rveilance/documents/document/acspc-027766.pdf


Pay particular attention to Table 5 - Five year cancer survival rates by type of cancer, compared by country.
It is an absolute fact that the US has the best healthcare system in the world, and the only thing in dispute
is how it's distributed. It's also an absolute fact that obamacare, if it is allowed to proceed, will completely
and utterly destroy that system.

 

[bike10]

The GOP Health Care is called NO CARE. Few years ago I had to switch health care coverage. Since I pre existing condition of kidney stones I was required to pay higher premium and would have coverage on the condition for year. Lucky I did not end up in the hospital again. This is one many advantages of the new Health Care law ones does get punished for pre existing illness.

By the way if the members of the GOP in the House and Senate don't like Health Care they then they should be required to pay fot there coverage not us TAX PAYERS.

 

[Benvolio]

Under Obamacare, OTHER people are punished for your preexisting illness. That is the purpose of requiring everyone to buy insurance at inflated premiums. Heath young people have to pay for your insurance or pay a "tax".

 

[opinterph]

Under Obamacare, OTHER people are punished for your preexisting illness. That is the purpose of requiring everyone to buy insurance at inflated premiums.

I seem to recall that the law requires private insurance companies to return monetary rebates to their customers, in the event that the premiums they collect are found to be inflated (e.g. more than is necessary to cover actual medical expenditures of the persons they insure plus a reasonable percentage for administration costs and profits).

 

[rareboy]

Do a little research and you'll find that the facts don't back up your utterly ridiculous statement.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/co...rveilance/documents/document/acspc-027766.pdf


Pay particular attention to Table 5 - Five year cancer survival rates by type of cancer, compared by country.
It is an absolute fact that the US has the best healthcare system in the world, and the only thing in dispute
is how it's distributed. It's also an absolute fact that obamacare, if it is allowed to proceed, will completely
and utterly destroy that system.

Oh God. The Reardon arises. Overall, the US has the highest case cost and poorest outcomes for all medical care. I've posted the cites previously. Cherry picking by cmg does not prove Benvolio's absurd claim.

 

[HenryReardon]

Oh God. The Reardon arises. Overall, the US has the highest case cost and poorest outcomes for all medical care. I've posted the cites previously. Cherry picking by cmg does not prove Benvolio's absurd claim.

Yet another baseless statement without a shred of backup.

 

[frankfrank]

The dollars in the US healthcare system aren't going into clinical care and innovation.They are going into the 7 figure bonuses of the insurance company [STRIKE]managers who decide who lives and who dies in the US[/STRIKE] death panels.

Alternative, and entirely correct, meaning.

 

[frankfrank]

Yet another baseless statement without a shred of backup.

BASELESS? the entire PLANET knows that the United States has by far the most unaffordable health care system of any country in all of human history. Somebody needs to exist their entire life in a cave, or perhaps be part of the cannibal tree-people tribe on New Guinea far removed from modern civilization, or be entirely and absolutely brainwashed by the teabaggers, to not know this or think it's a lie. There are many thousands of comparisons, and they all point the same way, but your Fox News, Rush, etc. will always sweep it under the magic carpet. Google is your friend.

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•US has worst outcomes and highest cost of healthcare

http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/08/01/fighting-medicaid-expansion

[CAPTION UNDER PICTURE]: Texas already has one of the nation’s most restrictive Medicaid programs, offering coverage only to the disabled, children and parents who earn less than $2,256 a year for a family of three. Without a Medicaid expansion, the state’s working poor will continue relying on emergency rooms _ the most costly treatment option _ instead of primary care doctors

HUMAN SURVIVAL is impossible on $2,256 per year in the United States, unless you're living as one of 17 people jammed into a one-bedroom apartment. I am in touch with somebody in Florida who has been homeless for years (he uses library computers), and he puts together a financial report monthly detailing his income and expenditures TO THE PENNY, and he receives well more than $2,256 per year - yet, having reliable shelter is entirely impossible. What saves him is that he speaks well - well enough that he is able to get flown to occasional LGBT organization events to give speeches or do some coordination.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/mar/22/us-healthcare-bill-rest-of-world-obama

Read the chart and weep. Of the nations compared, the United States has one of the lowest life expectancies, and healthcare costs far more per capita than in any other country listed.

Listed are the G8 countries, plus China and Cuba.

 

[Rolyo85]

Yeah, but all they care about is that the select few who can afford the best healthcare, have some of the best care in the world. THAT's what's relevant, not the hundreds of thousands of uninsured or the backbreaking costs that are beyond the 99%'s ability to pay...

 

[CowboyBob]

Hey, republicans do indeed have a replacement fort health care.

If you get sick, die quickly.

National Health Care would not be healthy for wealthy stockholder's profits and CEO pay.