On Topic Discussion How can Britain comes to this ?

[Benvolio]

The US experience with immigrants has been that the first generation come for jobs and appreciate the opportunity. The work and obey the laws. BUT the second and third generation are torn between two worlds. At home they learn the old ways, the old language and customs. Often poor and not too clean. Perhaps different clothing. They prefer their own kind. But, they think they should be treated the same as other Americans. They don't fit in with others, and may experience discrimination and teasing or worse. They resent that they are not as wealthy as others. Of course, this is not always true, but often enough to make the point important.
So, it is often the second and third generation which either turns to crime of radical politics more than the first generation.
Europe began allowing Muslims in significant numbers before the US. Until the 60s or so, the US allowed immigrants on a quota based on existing ethnic populations. Large quota for English, Irish, German, little if any for Muslims. That was eliminated in the 60s and then it was reversed. Now, ethnic groups with little representation in the US get a preference.
The result is our Muslims are mostly first generation. I think we have to expect more radicalization as the second and third generations come of age.

 

[Telstra]

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over here, i have noticed the greeks, the serbs, the croates, the Turks ... etc who were born in Australia are more traditional than in Europe.

Example,
the greeks, serbs, Turks who born & live here really love their old traditional music.
but in Europe they don't like old traditional music.

 

[zoltanspawn]

I can see the two groups are no angels but the group with god on their side make things worse.

Do you think they were Anglicans?

 

[pat grimshaw]

Do you think they were Anglicans?

I think that many denominations regard the Anglican church as being too complacent for its own good. They have lost so many followers in Britain while becoming popular with Africans.

 

[MassRuss]

So foolish to generalize. Bigots come in all religions, races, orientations, sexes, nationalities

Here is an article about Muslims who wish for justice

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hazi-crowds-drive-out-Islamist-militants.html

 

[Telstra]

And now who is projecting his religious beliefs on others?

Sports aren't private, politics are not private. Who passed an edict relegating religion to private?

Religious supposed to be spiritual, praying/meditating in private where no one hears you.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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over here, i have noticed the greeks, the serbs, the croates, the Turks ... etc who were born in Australia are more traditional than in Europe.

Example,
the greeks, serbs, Turks who born & live here really love their old traditional music.
but in Europe they don't like old traditional music.

ooh awsum post

ha

 

[Telstra]

So foolish to generalize. Bigots come in all religions, races, orientations, sexes, nationalities

Here is an article about Muslims who wish for justice

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hazi-crowds-drive-out-Islamist-militants.html

That is good news for a change.

 

[bankside]

And now who is projecting his religious beliefs on others?

Sports aren't private, politics are not private. Who passed an edict relegating religion to private?

Sports are certainly private. I can go to a soccer stadium if I feel like it. And the team can invite the public in. But they can't come play on my front yard without my leave. And they can't force me to attend, or expect anyone to give a fuck if I say "Soccer is dumb. Take me to the baseball game."

Politics is public, because we share a public life as citizens. But we don't share a common life as co-religionists. The congregation is by definition private, and exclusive only to its adherents, unless we disregard freedom of conscience and compel people to pretend to believe in a given state religion.

Which is generally the case in the zealous nut-bar theocracies from whence these immigrants hail. They need to learn it doesn't concern them when other people hold opposing, different, indifferent, or even "blasphemous" religious views.

 

[Inverted]

Shouldn't ALL migrants blend in peacefully ?

Example:
Why are the far east Asians (Chinese, Vietnamese ...etc) so peaceful ?
But not the Muslims (only small % of them by the way).

Your question doesn't make any sense. Your comparing people of a region (East and Southeast Asians) to people of a religion (Muslims)? There are many East Asian Muslims (24 million in China) and tons of Southeast Asian countries with Muslims majorities...

Anyway, I think a better comparison is between East Asian immigrants and South Asian ones, but the vast majority of the South Asian immigrants in the UK are Indian and hardly violent. The people who mainly who cause trouble are some Pakistani Muslims (although many Britons don't care to differentiate between South Asians and blame Indians too). Many of the Pakistani immigrants are uneducated rural/working class types and just don't fit in modern society. I don't understand how they're even allowed to come so easily considering their socio-economic background.

 

[Telstra]

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The church bells and loud speakers from mosques should be banned for noise pollution !!!
Calls to prayer is just ridiculous.

 

[Inverted]

Both location of Europe and the immigration policies of the U.S. are likely the reason. Immigrants to the U.S. would generally have to be professionals in order to get through the immigration barriers. Immigrants to Europe from North Africa, Turkey, and the Mideast would only have to be nearby to immigrate, and obviously are part of the migration into Europe to provide manual labor due to the lower birth rates in Northern and Western Europe. The equivalent migration in the Americas if from Latin America to the U.S.

I would argue that the militant Islamists are most likely to be from the working classes, not the elite, as a general rule.

Agreed on everything, but this thread is about the UK and most of the Muslims there are from Pakistan and Bangladesh, which are not in the Middle East and obviously not anywhere close to Europe. There's a lot of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK because of their colonial history (both part of British India before the Partition) and South Asian manual laborers have been there for a long time.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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The church bells and loud speakers from mosques should be banned for noise pollution !!!
Calls to prayer is just ridiculous.

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[pat grimshaw]

.... Many of the Pakistani immigrants are uneducated rural/working class types and just don't fit in modern society...

They are peasants.