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How can it be a Christian thing to celebrate the removal of ones foreskin ?

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To be clear , im not talking about Judeo im talking about Christians as in ... Went to church each Sunday Christian
Listen i get all that beautiful thing , Jesus must follow the rules of humanity and get his pee head nicked because it s a desert and no water and pee infection . Fine !But why celebrate a ritual that 92% or more of American males have been subjected to from day 1 others while growing up , the ritual involving a priest or a surgeon with a knife or scissors , cutting circularly to an infant penis? That hurts ! It s painfull and the doctor or priest who does this to you , while cutting you , his own penis isnt in the line . So how can you , a Christian be ok with this brutal ritual against one s manhood?
 
@ Confusedbyou

How did you learn that some Christians celebrate circumcision?
 
It happened before I was old enough to know anything and almost all other males that I know of in my peer group had this as well. It seems natural and acceptable to me. I didn't know any different for most of my life and I am okay with it. I was under the impression that male circumcision was medical and not religious for Christian men. When I first saw an uncircumcised penis I thought it was a birth defect.
 
As opinterph said, what do you mean celebrate? No Christians I know of celebrate circumcision, but we do celebrate baptism.
 
Well , here , in Romania , they dont just read about it from the Bible , but the entire mass of that day is entitle : The circular cut of our Savior Christ
 
Confusedbyou said:
why celebrate a … brutal ritual against one s manhood?
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Circumcision was a religious ritual performed by the descendants of Abraham as a sign of his covenant with God. All males would carry this lifelong mark in their flesh to indicate that they were part of God’s physical blessing in the world. The ritual was conducted eight days after the child was born and included giving the child its name.

Apparently, Eastern Orthodox Christians regard the day of Jesus’ circumcision as significant primarily because it demonstrates that Jesus was a true man, who was required to follow the Law of Moses. It also signified the first instance in which Jesus shed blood on behalf of non-Jewish [Gentile] believers. Because non-Jewish newborns were not required to undergo circumcision eight days after birth, they could still be brought into the covenant between God and Abraham by later accepting the blood of Jesus’ circumcision vicariously. In other words, Christians carry a spiritual mark, rather than a mark in their flesh.

 
I've never heard anyone trying to teach me about the Jeebus ever mention circumcision. All the justifications I've ever hear for it are kinda dubious claims about it being more "hygenic." Which I find pretty silly since a guy who'll put up with a nasty cock is going to have one foreskin or not.

I prefer natural, but that's certainly not a deal killer, though if I ever came across a guy who was religiously adamant about it that would be.
 
Confusedbyou said:
To be clear , im not talking about Judeo im talking about Christians as in ... Went to church each Sunday Christian
Listen i get all that beautiful thing , Jesus must follow the rules of humanity and get his pee head nicked because it s a desert and no water and pee infection . Fine !But why celebrate a ritual that 92% or more of American males have been subjected to from day 1 others while growing up , the ritual involving a priest or a surgeon with a knife or scissors , cutting circularly to an infant penis? That hurts ! It s painfull and the doctor or priest who does this to you , while cutting you , his own penis isnt in the line . So how can you , a Christian be ok with this brutal ritual against one s manhood?
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Christianity was originally a sect of Judaism.

However, when the early Christian churches had trouble getting non-Jewish converts, they decided that Covenant rules like keeping kosher and getting circumcised could be overlooked for non-Jewish converts.

It's in Paul's Letters to the Galatian church.

Paul's Letter to The Galatians [PBS]

Paul's writings about how Christians don't need to adhere to Jewish religious law is also the most obvious counterargument against Christians who trot out Leviticus to argue that homosexuality is against God's laws. "Talk to me about homosexuality when you get your foreskin removed"
 
Never heard of this, but it would make sense some X-ians do this.

In The Netherlands circumcision is only practiced for medical reasons by Catholics and Protestants alike. Only Muslims and Jews have their foreskin cut off (that I know of) for religious purposes.

KaraBulut said:
Christianity was originally a sect of Judaism.
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So is Islam, directly or indirectly.

Does this make the Jews ultimately responsible themselves for the hatred that they have incurred over the almost two millennia?

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opinterph said:
Circumcision was a religious ritual performed by the descendants of Abraham as a sign of his covenant with God. All males would carry this lifelong mark in their flesh to indicate that they were part of God’s physical blessing in the world. The ritual was conducted eight days after the child was born and included giving the child its name.

Apparently, Eastern Orthodox Christians regard the day of Jesus’ circumcision as significant primarily because it demonstrates that Jesus was a true man, who was required to follow the Law of Moses. It also signified the first instance in which Jesus shed blood on behalf of non-Jewish [Gentile] believers. Because non-Jewish newborns were not required to undergo circumcision eight days after birth, they could still be brought into the covenant between God and Abraham by later accepting the blood of Jesus’ circumcision vicariously. In other words, Christians carry a spiritual mark, rather than a mark in their flesh.

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The Catholic church observed the feast of the Circumcisio Domini et octava Nativitatis until the liturgical reform of the 1960's
 
Circumcision is not a Christian thing. And like other (more carelessly thrown about) terms, is not to be taken literally as it is meant to describe a certain level of development...
 
TX-Beau said:
In the Old Testament it's absolutely a rule, in the New, the Christians tossed it out.
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Any Christian who says it is Goldy is lying. Jesus never called for it. It might be true in some denominations but so what? Catholics reckon that the bread and wine at communion is literally the body and blood of Christ. Lots of other denominations don't. Beliefs and practices differ. Jesus never said that when doing communion that people must view it as literally His body and blood.
 
aethelreddansforth said:
Any Christian who says it is Goldy is lying. Jesus never called for it. It might be true in some denominations but so what? Catholics reckon that the bread and wine at communion is literally the body and blood of Christ. Lots of other denominations don't. Beliefs and practices differ. Jesus never said that when doing communion that people must view it as literally His body and blood.
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I'm not sure what you're after here. In the Old Testament circumcision is most definitely a requirement for the "Godly," Then along came all those New Testament Greco-Romans who so admired the aesthetic of each other's foreskins that they threw it out. They also liked their shrimps.

That's right there in the text. If you are a Jew, it's still required for the "Godly." If you are a Roman Catholic, it's not. quod erat demonstrandum
 
I was born in a Military hospital, maybe it wasn't optional. I read in Penthouse Forum or somewhere there it a thing called "high and tight". I certainly got the tight part. When Jr started growing it had a sideways curve. Did not feel good. I did my best to help with the stretched skin by applying hand lotion. Often.
I'm straight now. Well, you know. :) It took a year or so.
I would have like to have had the choice. I wonder what I would look like intact. I understand the sanitation aspect. But, like washing your hands and brushing your teeth, I could have been taught to wash my pecker.
 
I thought a "high and tight" was a Marine haircut? If it's both, that's amusing. You can generally tell who's got a nasty foreskin by the state of the rest of his body.
 
Dad was in the Marines.... <shrug>

He kept that flat-top haircut 'til the day he died. I don't do the short hair like that, I was a skinny kid and looked like I had escaped Auschwitz.
 
TX-Beau said:
I'm not sure what you're after here. In the Old Testament circumcision is most definitely a requirement for the "Godly," Then along came all those New Testament Greco-Romans who so admired the aesthetic of each other's foreskins that they threw it out. They also liked their shrimps.

That's right there in the text. If you are a Jew, it's still required for the "Godly." If you are a Roman Catholic, it's not. quod erat demonstrandum
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The point is Christianity, not Judaism. There is no requirement for Christians. Not everything in the Old Testament is proscribed for Christians.
 
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