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how can u b gay and a right wing supporter?

The thread was on topic for the first seventy posts. That's when kulindhar went off the rails again and started with his gun shit in this posting, This sort of thing happens far too frequently among some posters. Disruption isn't debate, it's just noise.

Good point, but once again, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

Back to topic:

Can you say DDT? Banned by the left wingers...millions dead as a result....thanks a bunch.

Millions dead in southeast Asia after the lefties-boomer-brats pulled us out of Vietnam...thanks a bunch.

Three thousand Americans dead in lower Manhattan because the Clintonistas were too busy getting blown in the Oval Office and looking for the latest poll results to pay attention to Al Quaeda...thanks a bunch.

I can't wait to see what you guys come up with for Iraq (still waiting on that plan). Who knew that Baker would be an appeaser like yourself?

But don't worry, your brainwashers in the Media are well on the way to making everything (including the way-too-high payroll of the NY Yankees) to be President Bush's fault.
 
^Hey Kev ...... time to put the jug of egg nog away and go to bed, you're talking crazy again! [-X




offtopic: :santa:
 
Actually, it is a Sonoma County Merlot. (*8*)
 
Good point, but once again, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

Back to topic:

Can you say DDT? Banned by the left wingers...millions dead as a result....thanks a bunch.

Millions dead in southeast Asia after the lefties-boomer-brats pulled us out of Vietnam...thanks a bunch.

Three thousand Americans dead in lower Manhattan because the Clintonistas were too busy getting blown in the Oval Office and looking for the latest poll results to pay attention to Al Quaeda...thanks a bunch.

I can't wait to see what you guys come up with for Iraq (still waiting on that plan). Who knew that Baker would be an appeaser like yourself?

But don't worry, your brainwashers in the Media are well on the way to making everything (including the way-too-high payroll of the NY Yankees) to be President Bush's fault.

Oooohh I love when wingnuts blame Clinton for 9/11. Everyone knows he was President when it happened wasn't he? And just where are you from Kev that you wrap yourself in the mantle of September 11th? Or did you just catch the video montage broadcast from the Republican Convention. (Where half a million New Yorkers marched AGAINST them)
Speaking of pulling out....how bout that Reagan job in Lebanon?
That doesn't count?
Oh yeah, I forget. That was Carters fault.
Still though, I know you write these missives from the trenches of Iraq and that can't be easy.
I thank you for your service.
 
Back to topic:

Can you say DDT? Banned by the left wingers...millions dead as a result....thanks a bunch.
DDT is not banned. It is still used in places where malaria and typhus are health problems.

Not a good idea to use fiction authors like Michael Crichton as sources.

Millions dead in southeast Asia after the lefties-boomer-brats pulled us out of Vietnam...thanks a bunch.
The facts of history report that Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger were instrumental in pulling us out of Viet Nam. Got Kissinger a Peace Prize in fact. Thought they were Republicans.

Three thousand Americans dead in lower Manhattan because the Clintonistas were too busy getting blown in the Oval Office and looking for the latest poll results to pay attention to Al Quaeda...thanks a bunch.
George W. Bush was President on September 11, 2001 and the previous nine months.

You're illustrating yet again that shirking responsibility is a right wing trademark.

Which brings us to AIDS and the right wing response to that. President Reagan wouldn't even say the fucking WORD much less do anything to help. But then, AIDS was killing gays so why would a right winger care.

I can't wait to see what you guys come up with for Iraq (still waiting on that plan). Who knew that Baker would be an appeaser like yourself?
James Baker an appeaser? Another hallmark of right wing thinking -- if you're in opposition to the group-think of the right wing you will be slimed. Since being gay is in opposition to what's acceptable to the right wing, that ought to give gay men real pause in supporting them.

Gays aligning themselves with a group that ignored a virus that was killing gays BECAUSE it was killing gays, and would do the same today, is very troubling. But then there were gay Nazis while other gays were being hauled off to death camps BECAUSE they were gay. There is a history of some gays letting self-loathing, or at least a lack of self-respect, lead them into destructive places.

The right wing has worked hard to see to it that gays have less power and privilege than heterosexuals, unless of course they stay hidden and ashamed in the closet like Ken Mehlman or marry women, have children and spread anti-gay propaganda like Ted Haggart. And yet some gays actually vote for those cretins.
 
...and the march against the Republican Convention in lower Manhattan was a beautiful thing. Where else can you see two little old ladies carrying a sign saying "Dick + Bush = Fucked".
Now THAT was a day I was proud to be American.
 
DDT is not banned.

Well, I have never read Michael Crichton, but wouldn't you know, I went down to the hardware store today and damn if they didn't have the DDT right next to the paint. Thanks a bunch! Can you say West Nile Virus?

The right wing has worked hard to see to it that gays have less power and privilege than heterosexuals...

For you, that's what this thread is all about...dick.
 
Uhmmm....last time I checked this WAS a gay chatboard, addressing the concerns of GAY people. If being gay just means 'dick' to you than maybe your as much a cartoon as your avatar.
But if you need to 'share' with people whose opinions are closer to your own, I recommend what I've said to others. Try the Christian Coalition or Focus on the Family chatboards.
You can even use my screen name. They'll love just luv ya.
 
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Well, baddog and G.A., you both jumped to contusions on Kev's final line. Try making a leap of fate, and read for what he said -- it wasn't a derogatory remark about gays.
 
Well, I have never read Michael Crichton,
If you like good fiction you should -- he's a good writer.

but wouldn't you know, I went down to the hardware store today and damn if they didn't have the DDT right next to the paint.
So where'd you get the idea that DDT is banned and that millions having died as a result is the fault of liberals? Let me guess ...

Thanks a bunch!
You're welcome. Always happy to share facts with friends.

Can you say West Nile Virus?
Sure I can say it. Living in New York City where the first US outbreak happened, I even know something about it.

Environmentalists --those evil liberals-- are opposed to using pesticides to deal with the problem because the negative health impact is greater than the number of lives potentially saved. Also mosquitoes that happen to be above the spray level wouldn't be killed so the effectiveness of that remedy is questionable. There are other, environmentally safe, ways to combat the cause of West Nile Virus. You may be correct if you're implying that a difference between right wing and left wing thinkers is well illustrated in the West Nile Virus debate.

For you, that's what this thread is all about...dick.
Not sure what you mean by that.

But everything we are, and that certainly includes being a member of an oppressed group, informs one's political viewpoint. That doesn't mean if one is black one necessarily supports affirmative action or if one is gay one necessarily supports same-sex marriage, or vote on those single issues, but when it comes to life-and-death issues like AIDS that's where the men separate from the boys. The attitude of Republicans about AIDS and gays has been shameful from the beginning and never adequately addressed by the GOP. If one recognizes that and then looks at how Republicans respond to issues (Bush & Co's response to Katrina for instance), it's stunning how consistently Republicans show that "compassionate conservatism" was a big fat joke on us all.
 
Just to put everyone's minds at rest, I believe that DDT was banned under Richard Nixon, and returned, yes, because of the West Nile virus.

Though around here you can't just buy it at a store; a gov'mint ofishy-al has to check things out and decide if what ye'r lookin' at is a bony-fied pub-lick health threat.
 
Just to put everyone's minds at rest, I believe that DDT was banned under Richard Nixon, and returned, yes, because of the West Nile virus.

Though around here you can't just buy it at a store; a gov'mint ofishy-al has to check things out and decide if what ye'r lookin' at is a bony-fied pub-lick health threat.

lol

well is it any less dangerous in small quantities?

i am confused

isnt it considered a biohazard in the watertable?
 
lol

well is it any less dangerous in small quantities?

i am confused

isnt it considered a biohazard in the watertable?

In wetlands, more. Chemically, it doesn't like water, but you know those natural oil slicks that float around where there's lots of vegetation? DDT fits right in.

First they found it was making the eggshells of giant condors fragile -- and the right wing snorted.

Then they found it was making the eggshells of eagles and smaller raptors fragile -- and the right wing frowned, because the eagle is our national bird.

Then they started finding it in the eggshells of chickens... and chickens bring profits, so -- it got banned.
(Not that there's anything wrong with profits, but there certainly is something wrong with delaying dealing with a problem till it affects yours!)

Rachel whatsername's book Silent Spring had a part in getting it banned, too.


It's dangerous in small quantities, yes, but... can't think of the term I want here, so I'll say it's additive: the more ppm (parts per million) a bird gets in its system, the more fragile bones and shells become. So tiny amounts used result, over time, in a low ppm count; large result in a high ppm, and so lead to obvious damage more quickly.

I don't recall how durable it is in the environment, except that it lasts a lot longer than the current common chemicals. I'm pretty confident in saying it hangs around at least a decade, which means it's dangeous more than once: drifts around in swamp, ingested by birds, birds have weak bones and die young, decompose, releasing fats and the DDT back into the swamp... and 'round and 'round. And meanwhile it can spread to all sorts of places -- like glaciers on mountains hundreds of miles from the nearest use.*



* One summer when I camped on top of South Sister in Oregon (about 10k feet), we were by the glacial pool when a ranger came by to test. His kit, which filled half a full-size backpack (the other half was sample bottles), tested for all sorts of things. Some campers were filling their canteens from the pool when he started reading off what was in the water, from his "black box": on that list was DDT, along with diazanon, growth hormones, nitrates, carbon monoxide.... water got dumped really fast!
 
so less ddt leads to a more acceptable level of damage in the egg shells

its not a sum zero game

interesting

i didnt know that
 
Just to put everyone's minds at rest, I believe that DDT was banned under Richard Nixon, and returned, yes, because of the West Nile virus.
DDT was banned for agricultural use in many countries in the 1970s but was never banned for use against malaria in the tropics.

And exactly when was the ban against using DDT lifted in the US?

Though around here you can't just buy it at a store; a gov'mint ofishy-al has to check things out and decide if what ye'r lookin' at is a bony-fied pub-lick health threat.
The biggest problem with DDT is that it's a persistent chemical. In other words over time it becomes concentrated in animal tissues and rises in concentration and remains active for decades. The bald eagle was all but extinct because of DDT. Now, with the ban, the bald eagle is again healthy and thriving.

There of course are right wingers who cavalierly dismiss the need for us to be responsible about stewardship of the environment. That's a big difference between today's right wingers and left wingers.

I'm glad the right wing here brought up West Nile Virus and DDT because, in contrast to the right wing response to AIDS it's a perfect illustrator of what the fuck is wrong with the right wing. (It's always struck me as revealing that the same people who rail on about God and how public policy should reflect what He supposedly wants, don't hesitate to support something that makes some of God's creatures extinct. So God doesn't want some humans to marry humans of the same gender but He's okay with us offing bald eagles and falcons.)

Hundreds of thousands of Americans became sick and died of AIDS while Republicans refused to do a damn thing about it -- it was killing gays so why step in the way of God's plan to kill those bad immoral homosexuals? West Nile Virus, however, has killed relatively few Americans and yet right wingers are eager to bring back spraying of highly toxic pesticides, posing health risk to countless "good" insects, birds and animals, to say nothing of millions of people, to save a few. So typically right wing. Incompetent and destructive.

And there actually are gays who support that.
 
so less ddt leads to a more acceptable level of damage in the egg shells

its not a sum zero game

interesting

i didnt know that

I just winced so hard I almost broke the chair-back -- that use of "acceptable" in relation to DDT hits me as just... wrong!

As NickCole said, the stuff's persistent; it endures a long time (I hunted again and can't find how long; Wiki, inspite of a lengthy article, doesn't seem to have it). It doesn't metabolize; it's stored in fats in the body and IIRC nerve sheath tissue. So, like the wheels on the bus, it goes 'round and 'round, from one generation to the next in an ecosystem, continuing to deal death.

"Acceptable levels of damage" sounds so, well, military. I'd say, "reduced mortality rate", or maybe "species-survivable damage".

With a persistent toxin, there are two ways to have an "acceptable" level of use, i.e. one that lets a species survive. One is to know the half-life or persistence term of the substance, calculate how much the species can tolerate, and compute how much can be put into the environment without raising the presence above the threshold; the other is to have a removal vector.
Fortunately for the condors and eagles and their cousins, there turned out, in coastal areas especially, a very nice (for them) vector at work: when an individual dies, a substantial amount of the toxin gets eaten from it by thing which do not belong to the bird species' food chain. Ultimately, DDT ended up in aquatic critters that over time spread the stuff all over the planet -- solution by dilution (pun intended). Eventually, I learned in my second term of oceanography at OSU, the planet itself will recycle the stuff (if it doesn't break down first), because it's showing up in the sea floor as fish carrying it die -- as as we all know, the sea floors are ever-so-slowly diving into oblivion under other crustal plates.
Of course that's a bit tongue-in-cheek; DDT doesn't last tens of millions of years (well, lying on the sea bottom, it just might; that's a pretty bland environment), but it makes a point: be afraid, be very afraid.
From a course in Human Ecology I also picked up that every person in the U.S., as of about 1980, had DDT in the fatty tissues. (Be more afraid.)

Something I didn't mention earlier about its dealiness: the stupid molecule is one that, for some reason, insects can grow tolerant of fast. Althoug not banned in the tropics, DDT is reserved mostly for severe outbraks, because it was discovered in the 70s that mosquitoes were becoming tolerant of it within just a half dozen generations -- but when its use is tabled for a few years, they begin losing that tolerance to an extent. The result is that the longer and more DDT is used, the less useful it becomes -- but remains just as deadly to vertebrates, especially egg-laying ones.

I have reason to appreciate the ban often. I put many hours into a conservation/safety project overlooking the beach here on the northern Oregon Coast. The first year of the project, a nearby resident pointed out that an eagle had been hanging around. The next year, the eagle built itself a nest... and showed up with a friend. The third year we learned that the "friend" was a mate, because shortly after the nest was completed, momma eagle began staying there 24/7 (or at least one eagle did; I could never tell them apart). The little eagles arrived, and by now, the seventh year of the project, the entire mountain/cape area has three eagle couples -- and from time to time they all come soaring down over the project area.

DDT may be useful, but like the man in the film The Candidate says, "There's got to be a better way!"
 
Both "modern" parties seem to be more marketing organizations than to stand for anything.

Living where I do, I get more 'hate' from the "left" for being anything other than a lock-step party-line toady than I did when I lived in rural Missouri for being a homosexual. To me, that says volumes about tolerance.

I strongly believe that the Republican party has strayed. Unfortunately, in the same period, the Democrats have gone beyond 'lost' in to 'crazy.' I do NOT see how the former party of the working people has become the of home of the America-hating, culture-destruction orgy of the new left.

Sometimes it feels like I'm pissing in to the wind on both sides, but if we don't try....
 
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