How many Com in Chiefs have overseen 3 wars?

[BostonPirate]

This is an honest question. Have we ever been in this position before? one winding down. one in a ten year stalemate and a new one with unknown consequences... Its like we are on an automatic cycle. What did Eisenhower say about the military industrial complex?

 

[BostonPirate]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY[/ame]

 

[Supersix]

Yeah, and Obama is SO good at it all, he can run the wars and STILL find time to play golf and watch basketball all day, every day, like a retiree on a pension.

 

[BostonPirate]

Yeah, and Obama is SO good at it all, he can run the wars and STILL find time to play golf and watch basketball all day, every day, like a retiree on a pension.

Obama plays golf and basketball all day everyday....

Do you know how that sounds?

It sounds racist to be honest... just a lazy black guy at the white house living on the dole.

Heres fact check's take on your nonsense....

Q: Has President Obama taken more vacation time than his predecessors?

A: According to one count, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton spent less time on "vacation."

so was Dubya a lazy ass cracka who sat on his porch drinking mint julips as the nations economy went to hell in a handbasket and rumsfeld and cheney lost two wars to the terrorists?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

 

[BostonPirate]

http://retiary.org/misc_pages/us_presidents_and_wars.html

heres a list but I dont understand the things on it.

 

[Supersix]

I wasn't talking about vacations, I was talking about a president who plays more than he works, taking his sweet time responding to anything that goes on. As for the charge of racism, nice try, no one buys that shit anymore. People can easily see that for what it is, a old trick to intimidate someone into silence, and to change the subject to something totally irrelevant. Nice Alinsky impersonation, but it won't do

 

[BostonPirate]

I wasn't talking about vacations, I was talking about a president who plays more than he works, taking his sweet time responding to anything that goes on. As for the charge of racism, nice try, no one buys that shit anymore. People can easily see that for what it is, a old trick to intimidate someone into silence, and to change the subject to something totally irrelevant. Nice Alinsky impersonation, but it won't do

DO you have any insider info or report that says that or is that just your vibe?

If its just a feeling you have, its a valid opinion.

If you don't have any sort of article to support that? It is what it is....

The truth is that republicans define "working" as a president, by rating their combativeness. Obama has not used the bully pullpit of the presidency in any way. He is not that kind of president. In both cases now with Egypt AND Libya, we have seen him doing extensive work with Sec Clinton behind the scenes to rally for support of the rebels. They are trying to redefine america as the Moral leader, not the bully on the block.

Diplomacy does not always have to include a threat of some sort to another nation to be effective.

Obama is his own man more than the democrats like on many occasion. He annoys their base regularly.

Does he sit around and do nothing? no... he uses the reagan model of Cabinet management. He empowers the Secs to a great degree and stays in consultation with them.

 

[chrisrobin]

I wasn't talking about vacations, I was talking about a president who plays more than he works, taking his sweet time responding to anything that goes on. As for the charge of racism, nice try, no one buys that shit anymore. People can easily see that for what it is, a old trick to intimidate someone into silence, and to change the subject to something totally irrelevant. Nice Alinsky impersonation, but it won't do

Do you reside in the White House? It sounds like you do and you are watching Obama 24-7. Please share some of your other findings with us.

Also, you seem to be an Alinsky expert. Please, please share.

 

[chrisrobin]

I wasn't talking about vacations, I was talking about a president who plays more than he works, taking his sweet time responding to anything that goes on. As for the charge of racism, nice try, no one buys that shit anymore. People can easily see that for what it is, a old trick to intimidate someone into silence, and to change the subject to something totally irrelevant. Nice Alinsky impersonation, but it won't do

History Lesson:
Return to 1962 - Cuban Missile Crisis. The Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted to rock and roll with the Russians. JFK "took his sweet time" setting up the blockade and negotiations. Despite your expertise in international diplomacy, I'm glad JFK overruled the Joint Chiefs because all of us might be dead (or never had been born). Is that too existential for this discussion?

 

[rareboy]

It is fascinating watching some Americans wanting to rush in and play with soldiers. Why? To prove to the world or to themselves that the US is still the big swinging dick in the war locker room?

Iraq has probably once and for all destroyed any possibility for the next 50 years that the US will ever be considered the 'go-to' as the world's policeman. The entirely disastrous fuck-up in Iraq just in order to make Halliburton shareholders rich surely has taught everyone that sometimes tens of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars just aren't worth the cost.

The last thing that the US need is to have all the North African nations suddenly rally behind Libya in order to fight American hegemony. Let the EU nations and the Arab nations take the lead on this. Let the people of Libya rise and overthrow their own tyrants.

The US does not need to have soldiers in Libya at this point in time. It would only make everything much, much worse.

 

[Stardreamer]

DO you have any insider info or report that says that or is that just your vibe?

If its just a feeling you have, its a valid opinion.

If you don't have any sort of article to support that? It is what it is....

The truth is that republicans define "working" as a president, by rating their combativeness. Obama has not used the bully pullpit of the presidency in any way. He is not that kind of president. In both cases now with Egypt AND Libya, we have seen him doing extensive work with Sec Clinton behind the scenes to rally for support of the rebels. They are trying to redefine america as the Moral leader, not the bully on the block.

Diplomacy does not always have to include a threat of some sort to another nation to be effective.

Obama is his own man more than the democrats like on many occasion. He annoys their base regularly.

Does he sit around and do nothing? no... he uses the reagan model of Cabinet management. He empowers the Secs to a great degree and stays in consultation with them.

I was talking with folks at work when these talking points started, I expected to see them. Its essentially sauce for the gander. The Left went on their meaningless criticisms of Bush's 'vacations' as if in this age of modern communications a President could go anywhere and not be working. It was a meaningless when it was tossed at Bush (who didn't help any with the good old boy persona he pretended) and its meaningless now but the Left has only themselves to blame for legitimizing the claim.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

It is fascinating watching some Americans wanting to rush in and play with soldiers. Why? To prove to the world or to themselves that the US is still the big swinging dick in the war locker room?

Yeah. That's it. That would explain why it seems the majority of op-ed letters call for the US to leave others alone, the crowds questioning why we're getting involved in yet country's politics, and why the military is having a problem filling quotas. US Americans want to go war NOW so we're protesting it. Makes perfect sense now that you've explained it all to me!

Iraq has probably once and for all destroyed any possibility for the next 50 years that the US will ever be considered the 'go-to' as the world's policeman.

Yeah, right. We would any intelligent nation send in their own soldiers when you can just have the US do it? This way you can look like you are doing something and make the country doing it into a villain.

The last thing that the US need is to have all the North African nations suddenly rally behind Libya in order to fight American hegemony. Let the EU nations and the Arab nations take the lead on this. Let the people of Libya rise and overthrow their own tyrants.

Seriously, what is it with you and your ability to type yet not being able to read a newspaper? It sort of looks like that is exactly how Obama is planning to handle this. Weird...

The US does not need to have soldiers in Libya at this point in time. It would only make everything much, much worse.

Time to hit the local news stand...

RG

 

[BostonPirate]

I was talking with folks at work when these talking points started, I expected to see them. Its essentially sauce for the gander. The Left went on their meaningless criticisms of Bush's 'vacations' as if in this age of modern communications a President could go anywhere and not be working. It was a meaningless when it was tossed at Bush (who didn't help any with the good old boy persona he pretended) and its meaningless now but the Left has only themselves to blame for legitimizing the claim.

First off, I don't carry water for anyone but Myself, and if you have some sort of proof that I am lifting my opinions out of "talking points" please feel free to post the memo and how my ideas coincide with them. Until you can do that you are twirling in your little conservative fantasy world making shit up.

more directly...if ANYONE says that I am repeating democratic talking points they are lying. I have no clues as to what they are and I am disinclined to participate in any party as a voter.

Of course you are ignoring the obvious fact that Bush took twice as many vacation days than Obama and possibly more than any other president.

That has not changed. Your theory... that Bush is absolved because Obama exercises in the morning before work is foolish.

You do reveal a republican tactic used time and time again without success... that if they are just as bad as US we cant be called bad. So lets just drag everybody down into the mud vat that the conservative movement lives in and hope people think everyone is equally as dirty.

The Obama and the Dems are guilty of many things. This isn't one of them.

 

[rareboy]

Yeah. That's it. That would explain why it seems the majority of op-ed letters call for the US to leave others alone, the crowds questioning why we're getting involved in yet country's politics, and why the military is having a problem filling quotas. US Americans want to go war NOW so we're protesting it. Makes perfect sense now that you've explained it all to me!


Yeah, right. We would any intelligent nation send in their own soldiers when you can just have the US do it? This way you can look like you are doing something and make the country doing it into a villain.


Seriously, what is it with you and your ability to type yet not being able to read a newspaper? It sort of looks like that is exactly how Obama is planning to handle this. Weird...


Time to hit the local news stand...

RG

I think that someone else needs to brush up on their reading comprehension skills.

Note that the first sentence contains the word some. Fascinating concept. It actually means 'not all'.

Iraq was a war of American Republican and Halliburton adventure. Bush is on record as having told at least one world leader that it would help their economy to participate in it.

Some Americans have been agitating for the US to be the military leader in Libya, these are the ones that think that by not being at the lead makes them look weak and their president appear to be a pussy.

So back to the grade four reading labs for RG, apparently.

Because it seems that some can't distinguish between some and all.

 

[NineOfClubs]

So, biggest war-monger President happens to be a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Oh, the irony.

 

[rareboy]

What an absolute load of crap.

The nation inherited two disastrously conceived and executed Halliburton fuck-ups.

The west is now trying to turn out a dictator who is killing his own people because they wanted an end to his thuggish and anti-democratic regime.

What happened to you somewhere along the line?

 

[Stardreamer]

First off, I don't carry water for anyone but Myself, and if you have some sort of proof that I am lifting my opinions out of "talking points" please feel free to post the memo and how my ideas coincide with them. Until you can do that you are twirling in your little conservative fantasy world making shit up.

more directly...if ANYONE says that I am repeating democratic talking points they are lying. I have no clues as to what they are and I am disinclined to participate in any party as a voter.

Of course you are ignoring the obvious fact that Bush took twice as many vacation days than Obama and possibly more than any other president.

That has not changed. Your theory... that Bush is absolved because Obama exercises in the morning before work is foolish.

You do reveal a republican tactic used time and time again without success... that if they are just as bad as US we cant be called bad. So lets just drag everybody down into the mud vat that the conservative movement lives in and hope people think everyone is equally as dirty.

The Obama and the Dems are guilty of many things. This isn't one of them.

You seem to have completely missed the point in your rather sudden rush to assume I'm even talking ABOUT you, which I wasn't. I was responding civilly TO you about the subject which HAS been a Democratic talking point for over 8 years and is now a Republican talking point in turn and how ludicrous the whole point is. You may not be on someone else's script but you are paralleling that script nicely even if it is your own thoughts and if I'm going to discuss it I'm going to do so in recognition that it is a talking point.

What I'm currently talking about here are Republican talking points not Democrat ones though I point out the earlier Democrat ones help set the stage for it. How many 'vacations' Bush or Obama go on is a pointless point. Presidents don't go on vacation. I've spent 22 years in military comms, have good friends who worked for the White House Communications Agency. I can tell you that you may see Bush out in the back 40 chopping wood or Obama swing his golf club on the back nine but somewhere among those 50 so people surrounding them is a man with a brief case and a TS keyed Sectera phone waiting to keep him in touch with what is going on. There is no place he can go where he doesn't have instant communications and information relayed to him via secure comms backed up by the military and Air Force One.

My 'theory' is not that Obama's 'vacations' justify Bush's or vice versa. My theory is that it is a meaningless argument and the Left is now paying the price for starting the stupid point in the first place.

 

[BostonPirate]

sorry for personalizing our comments then... you have my apologies.

We obviously disagree so I will just let your comment be the last on the way we disagree.

 

[Stardreamer]

sorry for personalizing our comments then... you have my apologies.

We obviously disagree so I will just let your comment be the last on the way we disagree.

(Bows graciously) Thank you, I was rather surprised by your response to what I thought was a general discussion. The vacation thing has always seemed to stupid to me knowing what I do about the White House Comms. They even count trips to Camp David which is silly considering the nature of the facility, its as fully equipped and staffed as the White House.

 

[Kulindahr]

http://retiary.org/misc_pages/us_presidents_and_wars.html

heres a list but I dont understand the things on it.

Well, at the least it shows that no president has ever presided over three distinct military actions as once.

It was odd, to say the least, to see the Monroe Doctrine listed as a "war".