How many Gay guys let a woman blow them?

[Conflicted]

Sexual behavior is a huge indicator. Conversely, just because one does not engage in certain behaviors does not mean that they do not possess certain fetishes, attractions, fantasies, etc. You've studied nothing on human sexuality, and it becomes more and more apparent the more you write. Everyone does not possess the same sort of sexual abilities and capabilities; in other words, just because someone chooses not to date someone of the same sex for whatever reasons or use a certain concept for identification purposes does not mean that he or she does not carry certain traits

All you ever give are opinions, personal opinions, which stem from how you feel as an individual concerning your psychological issues which have not been completely resolved from what it seems. I'm definitely not someone who is obsessed with labels; however, if the shoe fits...



Are you trying to defend them or are you trying to defend yourself? In many of your statements, you always talk about all these ideas and issues that men have, but these are ideas and issues that you have. As I said in the other thread, a heterosexual man is not going to seek out sex with another man, not when women are available.

I can't post links, but there are case studies. As I've said in another post, check out the writes of Joe Kort, browse some Sexual Addiction forum and websites and look at a site like malesurvivor.org

As a preemptive statement, please do not revert back to explaining how difficult it is to obtain a woman. It is not that difficult, not even for a quick romp. They may not express it as openly, due to societal influence, but plenty will get down in the sack.



Usually, well, uh, they are.



How do you know this?

Maybe because most of them have URL's to sex site posted with them?


Oh please, the fact of the matter is most people are some degree of bisexual. Throughout all cultures across all time, people have been having sex with the same sex. Socialization may influence how much or how many people engage in the behavior, but it has been a constant. A heterosexual man is not going to "turn" to men when other women are available.

Women, I repeat, women are not scarce and they are not an impossible feat.

Many for the good looking, happy go lucky man with good social graces. We're not talking about such men and I'm largely talking about men who're acting on compulsion. They need it quick, easy, hassle free and NOW. Try finding that with a women.....unless you're don juan, it's not happening..

This is FACT.

 

[Conflicted]

Conflicted,

I agree that labels can be too restrictive but they are useful. marleyisalegend is right to point to a question of definitions. And yes, there are several dimensions in play: physical acts, fantasies, interaction with other symbolic-ridden aspects of existence, such as power, and of course, opportunity. Let me offer myself as a simple example and having read many other posters to JUB it is clear that many people vary in a number of ways. I say that I am bi but I most identify with gay. I can and have had very enjoyable sex with men and women and exciting fantasies about men and women. I do tend to be more exuberant in practice, with more body parts, when my partner is a male. However, what convinces me that I am more gay than bi is that I fall in love with men. I don't fall in love with women. For me, just that simple. I have been in a relationship with another man for over 1 1/2 decades. It is a full marriage, with our families, friends, and other acquaintances all incorporated as with a heterosexual marriage. We are monogamous. So make of me and define me as you will.

Separately, it seems that you have a very discouraged view of what it takes for a man to be heterosexually successful. Its proverbial that men push, women hold off. That is usually the case. But hetero men hold women to certain standards, too. If you have had any contact with gay men other than an anonymous blowjob, and I suspect you've read other posts on JUB and that counts, you will know that gay men also feel pressure to meet standards.

I really have to differ with you on what gay means. I agree it is an identity but to me it is as complex and variable as what straight means.

Good point that a hetero man holds women to certain standards. Which also in an odd way explains why one would engage in sex with an anonymous male. With a women, her looks are important to the hetero man. A guy, he has no attraction to, thus what he looks like means nothing. The focus is on the sexual act, not the other man.

Yes, I have a discouraged view, as do many heterosexual guys.

"#2: Anger Towards Women:
The Denial of Sex Nature or Urge

We all deserve first, the freedom to live as our Sex Nature designed us to — meaning as men, in our case — and second, to have our sexual urges fulfilled.

But those who deny themselves their sexuality or sexual gratification are sure to be met with loneliness and lack or confusion of sexual identity.

With sexual frustration comes repressed anger.

The Spine Donor Syndrome states this myth in connection with sexual gratification:

“You shall be paid sex by the woman who chooses you. You shall not have sex unless it is approved of upon women's terms.”

Boycotting this lie, of course, does not mean rape or anything of the sort -- for I daresay that it is exactly this myth which is responsible for bringing men to rape.

But it does mean that if a rigid woman attempts to impress upon you what she thinks is required of you to be 'granted access' to sex (for example, marriage), you reject the concept.

By waiting for the permission or approval of women before we're 'allowed' to gratify our sexual desires, we will begin despising or even secretly hating women.

For naturally, we want women and we crave sex. But if we're not 'allowed' to get it as a natural process of Life and since women are the only one's who can physical give us it, any repressed anger will turn into a kind of hatred for women.

Releasing anger involves not needing any manner of 'woman's collective approval' before you allow yourself to *boink* as you please.

Making a commitment to a specific woman, of course, is an entirely different subject. "

The above can explain why maybe a hetero man will engage in sexual behavior with a male, it's driven by fustration and complex emotional stress...NOT attraction/desire for a male.

You mention many gay men have high standards. I agree and I've heard about it and from talking to a gay friend, I'm told it could be a cruel place. However, I'm not talking about gay/bisexual men. But the bottom line still remains is that if a male wants sex from another dude, he will get it in no time flat, zero hassle and NSA. Maybe a lot of openly gay man might not go down that route, cause he has a "type" and those high standards. But the guys I am talking about, it's all about sexual gratification and nothing more that is the focus and the means to an end.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

Many for the good looking, happy go lucky man with good social graces. We're not talking about such men and I'm largely talking about men who're acting on compulsion. They need it quick, easy, hassle free and NOW. Try finding that with a women.....unless you're don juan, it's not happening..

This is FACT.

Where are the facts? If a heterosexul man is that compulsive, then he will probably resort to masturbation as opposed to spending time trying to find a guy, right? It's a time and effort kind of thing.

 

[Conflicted]

Where are the facts? If a heterosexul man is that compulsive, then he will probably resort to masturbation as opposed to spending time trying to find a guy, right? It's a time and effort kind of thing.

For a compulsive sex fiend, he's driven by finding the next "high". Things once shocking and arousing become boring and mundane, those he seeks out something stronger to achieve the desired effect.

The guys I talk about are compulsive with their masturbation. There behavior usually escalates from jacking off, to moving up to an actually human mouth of a stranger. When in "the trance" his mind is in a haze and obsessed with the idea of acting out...usually when it's over, they feel guilt and shame. Not about being gay/bi, but for going against their own core values and innate identity. Which adds to more anxiety, which leads to more acting out. They might feel confusion and have similar feelings than a closeted by/gay man...but the difference is, for the gay/bi man his acting out is a reflection and expression of his core identity, for the straight man acting out...it's just a reflect of his escalating and out of control sexual behavior.

The fact is, sex is easier to get in the "gay" world than in the straight. Regardless of the fact their are more women and less gay men..it's a fact.

A group of people I know went to a gay club. They said there was so much sex going on in the bathroom, you couldn't even get in there. That's not the case in a straight club....if you want to bang chicks in a bathroom of a straight club, you better be one slick and good looking bastard...which most men are not.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

For a compulsive sex fiend, he's driven by finding the next "high". Things once shocking and arousing become boring and mundane, those he seeks out something stronger to achieve the desired effect.

The guys I talk about are compulsive with their masturbation. There behavior usually escalates from jacking off, to moving up to an actually human mouth of a stranger. When in "the trance" his mind is in a haze and obsessed with the idea of acting out...usually when it's over, they feel guilt and shame. Not about being gay/bi, but for going against their own core values and innate identity. Which adds to more anxiety, which leads to more acting out. They might feel confusion and have similar feelings than a closeted by/gay man...but the difference is, for the gay/bi man his acting out is a reflection and expression of his core identity, for the straight man acting out...it's just a reflect of his escalating and out of control sexual behavior.

The fact is, sex is easier to get in the "gay" world than in the straight. Regardless of the fact their are more women and less gay men..it's a fact.

A group of people I know went to a gay club. They said there was so much sex going on in the bathroom, you couldn't even get in there. That's not the case in a straight club....if you want to bang chicks in a bathroom of a straight club, you better be one slick and good looking bastard...which most men are not.

You still have yet to give me an facts other than personal experiences; one club does not account for every club in the world. You continue arguing how difficult it is for heterosexual men to have sex with women. Maybe it's just you who's having so much difficulty; it could also be that the women you know simply do not tell you about their one-night stands.

In addition, you are contradicting yourself by saying that a straight man is acting on his out of control behavior; however, there are other times where you state that one cannot possibly know what is going on in a man's mind. So, how do you know what's going on in these men's minds? I'm not asking how you feel or what you feel; I'm asking how do you know what these men feel. It goes back to what I asked earlier, where are your facts? I need more than your mere statement of "It is a fact."

 

[phillypornlover]

Not this one.

Although I don't cringe or cry at the sight of a naked woman, I do believe they would have a very difficult time trying to get me erect enough to blow.

Yeah, I really don't have a problem with seeing naked women at all. And the idea of a woman blowing me isn't really disgusting to me, but it's not exciting either. Never been blown by a female, so I don't know how that would be erection-wise.

 

[boxerdudeuk]

although i suppose if i got myself hard, and was watching porn without watching her (similar to some of those gay for pay sites) i probably could get off? i dunno. i doubt i'd find myself in the situation where i was asking a woman to give me head.

also, i'm not a casual sex kinda guy, so if i wouldn't go on the prowl for a blowjob from a dude, i certainly wouldn't go after one from a chick. i don't do "one nighters" or "i don't know you but do you wanna fuck?" kinda sex.

 

[BIMICHAEL4FUN]

As a bi-guy...I'd let a sexy man or woman blow me...name the place...

However, I do think that my gay friends are less likely to unzip for a BJ from a woman than my str8 friends are to unzip for a BJ from a man...even when alcohol and/or times of long sexual abstinance may be influencing the decision...

 

[sktguy]

Not a chance in the world. I'm not the least bit attracted to women so I don't want one going anywhere near my pecker.

 

[Lefty]

50 years on the planet have taught a couple of things

a bj from the one you love is priceless---regardless of sex.

a bj from any gender otherwise just sucks..and that is a good thing, i mean after all what is a bj except sucking, squirting, cleaning up and hopefully going again. a cock don't know gender, it do jnow moist lips warm throat and sexual interest.

and what is so bad about that?