How many people on these boards use drugs?

[saymyname]

Ecstasy is the best thing ever in your life.. the first time you take it. That's it. You will never be able to get back to that feeling no matter how many more you take. The sooner you realize that the better off you are. It took me 5 times to figure that out. It was not worth it in the end because it does come with permanent damage to your brain. When they say its mind-altering they really mean it. For me though, the first time I took it changed my life for the better. It made me realize things about myself and the world that I don't think I would have figured out until a lot later in my life. Obviously, everyone's experience is different so I still don't encourage you to try it.

All drugs are bad no matter what, so it's really a sort of "pick your poison" topic. If you can get along with out them, you should keep it that way. They will mess up your body, they will mess up your life.

I think this is incredibly biased and inaccurate, and misleading. It's true that MDMA is the best the first time you take it and you'll never get that feeling again of the first time you took it. For SOME PEOPLE, it's never good again and they don't ever feel even half that good, and it gradually just gets less impressive while the day after gets worse, it's referred to as the "loss of magic". But this is just for SOME people. It depends a lot on how often you use it. I did it for the first time and then didn't touch it again until months later. I keep doing it like that and the loss of magic is never totally apparent. It just becomes more familiar and manageable and less intense, but it's still enjoyable. Also, what some people do is they chase after the same magic, so every time they take it they do more pills - bad idea. Makes the day after worse. Best is to space it out and save it for special occasions.

There is absolutely no conclusive scientific evidence that it does permanent damage to your brain.

I do agree that the first time especially can change your life for the better. It just gave me this profound sense of peace and love and positivity, and just feeling that was life changing in and of itself.

I don't see why you're saying things like "all drugs are bad no matter what". Anything can be bad for you, it's all about set, setting, dosage, etc. They're no more intrinsically bad for you or immoral than anything else. There are tons and tons of people who have taken drugs and it has not messed up their body or their life. What a ridiculous, fear mongering statement.

 

[kallipolis]

Those members interested in learning more on the consequences of taking Ecstasy may wish to read the following:

http://www.ecstasy-effects.com/

More detailed information, on the side effects of Ecstasy:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/418325_4

A sample paragraph:

Those who take Ecstasy commonly experience rapid tolerance to the drug, which usually compels them to escalate the dose in the hope of reachieving the first-time euphoria. Typically, they begin with weekend binges and sometimes progress to high daily doses, with variations often depending on incomes. A high dose or an overdose of Ecstasy poses the risks of acute delirium, acute anxiety reactions, malignant hyperthermia, rhabdomyolysis, acute kidney failure, syndrome of inappropriate antidiuretic hormone, bilateral sixth nerve palsy,[ ]cardio-vascular abnormalities, seizure, cerebral edema, coma, and death

 

[kallipolis]

This link offers a much more comprehensive guide to the ins, and outs of Ecstasy:

http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/e_guide.html

 

[bendted]

I don't even do caffeine, but I say "go for it" if you want to do drugs. I have smoked MJ a time or two, but I wouldn't dare go any further on the drug scale (like coke). Hell, if I had to buy weed tonight, I'd have no idea where to get it with the exception of trawling through the shady part of town and asking random strangers if they have anything.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I use poppers at the beginning of sex when I bottom, but that is all.

If you don't consider that a drug (and drug enforcers don't consider it a drug) then I'm a teetotaller. No drugs, no alcohol, no tobacco.

 

[saymyname]

Those members interested in learning more on the consequences of taking Ecstasy may wish to read the following:

http://www.ecstasy-effects.com/

More detailed information, on the side effects of Ecstasy:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/418325_4

A sample paragraph:

Those who take Ecstasy commonly experience rapid tolerance to the drug, which usually compels them to escalate the dose in the hope of reachieving the first-time euphoria. Typically, they begin with weekend binges and sometimes progress to high daily doses, with variations often depending on incomes. A high dose or an overdose of Ecstasy poses the risks of acute delirium, acute anxiety reactions, malignant hyperthermia, rhabdomyolysis, acute kidney failure, syndrome of inappropriate antidiuretic hormone, bilateral sixth nerve palsy,[ ]cardio-vascular abnormalities, seizure, cerebral edema, coma, and death

Oh my God, what a bunch of shameless propaganda. How are any of these things considered "side effects"? I've taken MDMA numerous times and nothing like that has EVER happened. Having an anxiety reaction has nothing to do with the dose - even pot can give you anxiety. Same with every friend I have, this is making it sound so bad. This is specifically talking about people who binge on it.

http://www.drogeninfo.de/files/mdmafaq.html

 

[kallipolis]

Oh my God, what a bunch of shameless propaganda. How are any of these things considered "side effects"? I've taken MDMA numerous times and nothing like that has EVER happened. Having an anxiety reaction has nothing to do with the dose - even pot can give you anxiety. Same with every friend I have, this is making it sound so bad. This is specifically talking about people who binge on it.

http://www.drogeninfo.de/files/mdmafaq.html

I am sure that I will not take your rants, too seriously.

 

[AlmondMilk]

What is ecstasy like? The after effects make it seem not worth it. And i usually go on erowid, ti's a great website, but thank you anyway!

I think i'll stick to getting nice and loaded with the bottle every now and then.

My friend would take ecstasy at raves. He'd explain that he'd have so much fun, pass out, and wake up not knowing what happened. That description right there just freaked me out. I don't mind pot, but I just don't smoke. No matter what, I can't bring myself to smoke. So I guess I wouldn't mind pot in brownies or something else baked.

 

[dolphingunblade]

"Ecstasy does not wreck the mind, study claims"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/19/ecstasy-harm-brain-new-study?INTCMP=SRCH

 

[dolphingunblade]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD#Possible_risks
read this section of the page or if you dont like wikipedia read the note references.

basicly the articals are saying lsd is safe both short term and longterm, unless your poping like 50 doses ebery few mins.

 

[saymyname]

Kallipolis - go ahead and don't take my rants seriously. I'm an experienced user, you're not. I have first hand expeience, you don't.

Alex - I have never taken any drugs that have caused me to "pass out" involuntarily and not remember what happened the night before - except of course for alcohol. I don't know why your friend would say it made him not remember things. I think maybe what he is getting at is that he had a crazy good time, 'passed out' as in fell asleep in a big heap the way people do after partying, and maybe can't remember the exact linear chronological order of the night before? That's kind of typical with partying/clubbing.

Dolphingun - I was gonna post that graph, good on you. While it does demonstrate that LSD is less physically harmful, people should be aware about the potential for a 'bad trip' or a bit of anxiety.

 

[dolphingunblade]

Alex - I have never taken any drugs that have caused me to "pass out" involuntarily and not remember what happened the night before - except of course for alcohol. I don't know why your friend would say it made him not remember things. I think maybe what he is getting at is that he had a crazy good time, 'passed out' as in fell asleep in a big heap the way people do after partying, and maybe can't remember the exact linear chronological order of the night before? That's kind of typical with partying/clubbing.

cannabis has whats known as the "green out" (thats were your body becomes saturated with thc and canabanoids so no matter how much more you smoke you cant get any higher, at this point the person ussualy falls asleep, as its imposible to on on thc) thats basicly pots vertion of the overdose, the difference is with almost anything else you get toxcisity and die, for pot the worst that happens is it putes you to sleep.

also sexy gifs because there funny

 

[Anders123]

My friend would take ecstasy at raves. He'd explain that he'd have so much fun, pass out, and wake up not knowing what happened. That description right there just freaked me out. I don't mind pot, but I just don't smoke. No matter what, I can't bring myself to smoke. So I guess I wouldn't mind pot in brownies or something else baked.

I've never understood this, and why people equate getting so plastered that they don't remember anything with 'a good night', or with 'good form'. If you don't remember it, then there's no way you could tell if it was a good night or not. It just sounds douchey to me, the only part they enjoy is telling other people how fucked they were and how they can't remember it. How about actually having a good time, instead of just saying they did (despite not really knowing), to sound cool.

 

[altlover85]

I've never understood this, and why people equate getting so plastered that they don't remember anything with 'a good night', or with 'good form'. If you don't remember it, then there's no way you could tell if it was a good night or not. It just sounds douchey to me, the only part they enjoy is telling other people how fucked they were and how they can't remember it. How about actually having a good time, instead of just saying they did (despite not really knowing), to sound cool.

Whenever I've blacked out I generally have a good enough memory of the majority of the night, minus the end, so I can still judge whether or not it was a good time.

 

[kallipolis]

Whenever I've blacked out I generally have a good enough memory of the majority of the night, minus the end, so I can still judge whether or not it was a good time.

But not during the time that you were blacked out.

Your black out period leaves you wide open to abuse by those who readily abuse people who are unable to defend themselves from abuse.

 

[kallipolis]

"Ecstasy does not wreck the mind, study claims"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/19/ecstasy-harm-brain-new-study?INTCMP=SRCH

The issues arising from use of Ecstasy is not just one of the long term effects of Ecstasy on the brain. To narrow our discussion to this one matter is to ignore the well acknowledged deleterious consequences of short term, and long term usage of Ecstasy arising from observations of Ecstasy users.

One of the more notable boasts of users of Ecstasy is that they do not experience, or suffer from the consequences of using Ecstasy, and therefore the evidence that is readily available to the general public must needs be, be treated with suspicion and even disregarded as false.

Paranoid, angry, obsessive and hyper defensive support for Ecstasy as a recreational drug often appears on these forums, as if to suggest that the deleterious consequences of Ecstasy usage will never impact on them. Their highly hyperbolic posting style evidences the damage already impacting on their behaviour that they so defiantly presume to deny will affect them.

http://www.clearhavencenter.com/substance-abuse-treatment-resources/signs-of-Ecstasy-use.php

I quote a paragraph on the short term side effects of Ecstasy:

Signs of Ecstasy addiction and abuse


Short-term (immediate) effects of ecstasy use

While it is not as addictive as heroin or cocaine, ecstasy can cause other adverse effects including nausea, hallucinations, chills, sweating, increases in body temperature, tremors, involuntary teeth clenching, muscle cramping, and blurred vision. Ecstasy users also report after-effects of anxiety, paranoia, and depression. An ecstasy overdose is characterized by high blood pressure, faintness, panic attacks, and, in more severe cases, loss of consciousness, seizures, and a drastic rise in body temperature. Ecstasy overdoses can be fatal, as they may result in heart failure or extreme heat stroke.

The effects start after about 20 minutes and can last for hours. These is a 'rush' feeling followed by a feeling of calm and a sense of well being to those around, often with a heightened perception of color and sound. Some people actually feel sick and experience stiffening of arms, legs and particularly the jaw along with sensations of thirst, sleeplessness, depression and paranoia. Gives a feeling of energy. Some mild hallucinogenic effects.

Many problems users encounter with Ecstasy are similar to those found with the use of amphetamines and cocaine. They include increases in heart rate and blood pressure, nausea, blurred vision, faintness, chills, sweating, and such psychological problems as confusion, depression, sleep problems, craving, severe anxiety, paranoia, and psychotic episodes. Ecstasy's chemical cousin, MDA, destroys cells that produce serotonin in the brain. These cells play a direct roll in regulating aggression, mood, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. Methamphetamine, also similar to Ecstasy, damages brain cells that produce dopamine. Scientists have now shown that ecstasy not only makes the brain's nerve branches and endings degenerate, but also makes them "re-grow, but abnormally - failing to reconnect with some brain areas and connecting elsewhere with the wrong areas. These reconnections may be permanent, resulting in cognitive impairments, changes in emotion, learning, memory, or hormone-like chemical abnormalities.

 

[Telstra]

i don't use any.

 

[dolphingunblade]

The issues arising from use of Ecstasy is not just one of the long term effects of Ecstasy on the brain. To narrow our discussion to this one matter is to ignore the well acknowledged deleterious consequences of short term, and long term usage of Ecstasy arising from observations of Ecstasy users.

One of the more notable boasts of users of Ecstasy is that they do not experience, or suffer from the consequences of using Ecstasy, and therefore the evidence that is readily available to the general public must needs be, be treated with suspicion and even disregarded as false.

Paranoid, angry, obsessive and hyper defensive support for Ecstasy as a recreational drug often appears on these forums, as if to suggest that the deleterious consequences of Ecstasy usage will never impact on them. Their highly hyperbolic posting style evidences the damage already impacting on their behaviour that they so defiantly presume to deny will affect them.

http://www.clearhavencenter.com/substance-abuse-treatment-resources/signs-of-Ecstasy-use.php

I quote a paragraph on the short term side effects of Ecstasy:

Signs of Ecstasy addiction and abuse


Short-term (immediate) effects of ecstasy use

While it is not as addictive as heroin or cocaine, ecstasy can cause other adverse effects including nausea, hallucinations, chills, sweating, increases in body temperature, tremors, involuntary teeth clenching, muscle cramping, and blurred vision. Ecstasy users also report after-effects of anxiety, paranoia, and depression. An ecstasy overdose is characterized by high blood pressure, faintness, panic attacks, and, in more severe cases, loss of consciousness, seizures, and a drastic rise in body temperature. Ecstasy overdoses can be fatal, as they may result in heart failure or extreme heat stroke.

The effects start after about 20 minutes and can last for hours. These is a 'rush' feeling followed by a feeling of calm and a sense of well being to those around, often with a heightened perception of color and sound. Some people actually feel sick and experience stiffening of arms, legs and particularly the jaw along with sensations of thirst, sleeplessness, depression and paranoia. Gives a feeling of energy. Some mild hallucinogenic effects.

Many problems users encounter with Ecstasy are similar to those found with the use of amphetamines and cocaine. They include increases in heart rate and blood pressure, nausea, blurred vision, faintness, chills, sweating, and such psychological problems as confusion, depression, sleep problems, craving, severe anxiety, paranoia, and psychotic episodes. Ecstasy's chemical cousin, MDA, destroys cells that produce serotonin in the brain. These cells play a direct roll in regulating aggression, mood, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. Methamphetamine, also similar to Ecstasy, damages brain cells that produce dopamine. Scientists have now shown that ecstasy not only makes the brain's nerve branches and endings degenerate, but also makes them "re-grow, but abnormally - failing to reconnect with some brain areas and connecting elsewhere with the wrong areas. These reconnections may be permanent, resulting in cognitive impairments, changes in emotion, learning, memory, or hormone-like chemical abnormalities.

You do know that’s a rehab center right? Of course they would say drugs are bad, they make money from convincing people what they have is bad and can only be fixed by getting “help” i.e. paying them or getting a judge to sentence you to go to them, either way they profit from the perception that drugs are dangerous and all users need rehab.

For example they just had a hearing for legalization of cannabis in Washington, everyone who testified at the trial was for it except, 2 people, the police chief, and a rehab/addiction councilor. Along with the actual producer of the substance these 3 people profit the most from prohibition and misinformation on substances.

Basically what I’m saying is if it has to do with drugs don’t trust anything the fed, dea, rehab, police, or prisons, have to say about the matter, and check who commissioned the study and whose funding the research. Because other whys it’s like asking Marlboro if you should start smoking, as they have a vested financial interest in to starting, there probably going to pull up some bs doctored study showing results that say yes smoking is good so you should start.

 

[kallipolis]

You do know that’s a rehab center right? Of course they would say drugs are bad, they make money from convincing people what they have is bad and can only be fixed by getting “help” i.e. paying them or getting a judge to sentence you to go to them, either way they profit from the perception that drugs are dangerous and all users need rehab.

For example they just had a hearing for legalization of cannabis in Washington, everyone who testified at the trial was for it except, 2 people, the police chief, and a rehab/addiction councilor. Along with the actual producer of the substance these 3 people profit the most from prohibition and misinformation on substances.

A rehabilitation centre is the appropriate place to discover the victims of Ecstasy addiction, and the adverse consequences of that addiction. A rehabilitation centre is where the victims of drug abuse go to seek help to wean themselves off their addiction.

Hospitals,clinics and rehabilitation centres are in the business of treating sick, and injured people. Hospitals, and clinics do not need to convince people that they are sick, and should make use of their services. The sick, and injured know when they are sick, and in need of medical attention.

I can list any number of links to other reputable institutions - that are not rehabilitation centres - that repeat, in great detail, all that I have already posted.

Are you attempting to impute the reputation of rehabilitation centres, hospitals and clinics simply because they treat the victims of drug abuse?

The facts on the adverse consequences of Ecstasy use are well publicised, and those who are determined to ignore such readily accessible information, are transparently blinding themselves to the obvious. That is their choice; with the consequences their responsibility.

 

[dolphingunblade]

A rehabilitation centre is the appropriate place to discover the victims of Ecstasy addiction, and the adverse consequences of that addiction. A rehabilitation centre is where the victims of drug abuse go to seek help to wean themselves off their addiction.

Hospitals,clinics and rehabilitation centres are in the business of treating sick, and injured people. Hospitals, and clinics do not need to convince people that they are sick, and should make use of their services. The sick, and injured know when they are sick, and in need of medical attention.

I can list any number of links to other reputable institutions - that are not rehabilitation centres - that repeat, in great detail, all that I have already posted.

Are you attempting to impute the reputation of rehabilitation centres, hospitals and clinics simply because they treat the victims of drug abuse?

The facts on the adverse consequences of Ecstasy use are well publicised, and those who are determined to ignore such readily accessible information, are transparently blinding themselves to the obvious. That is their choice; with the consequences their responsibility.

Yes I am, I am saying the rehab centers have repedly come out with BS studies to bluster the numbers of patients. They profit from the status Que. Along with the prison industry and police who could either go out against violent criminals and get little more that a pat on the back for a job well done, or could bust a small time non violent drug user and using USA’s forfeiture laws which say they can basically take your house, all your money, and positions and say “oh it was ill gotten gain” i.e. they had drugs therefore they must be selling and if they’re selling they must have bought everything with drug money, therefore we can take everything you own and sell it, then keep the money to circulate back into the precinct in the form of petty cash and field bonuses. Theve been caught doing this for years, there have been ex police chiefs saying ya we go out after these people because it makes us more money and most of the time the drug users don’t fight back unlike other criminals, hell they just had a massive case about this like earlier this month.

The same for hospitals, for profit hospitals don’t do studies but pile on excess scans and other tests when not needed for the soul purpose of being able to nickel and dime the patient for as much as possible.