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how time has changed, Obama is not loved around the world anymore ...

Here you go Springer, this explains what I just said more clearly..... not that you'll actually read it tho.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/no-bush-is-not-more-popular-than-obama/

Conservatives are conflating favorability rating with job approval rating.....One would have to imagine that if Gallup were to test Bush’s job approval rating, albeit retrospectively, it would not even approach 49 percent.

Sorry you fell for right wing propaganda again, Springer. :lol:
 
Springer, what was GWB's ratings when he was in office? ;)

According to your link, Bush's second term, favorable at 32%, unfavorable at 66%. It took 5 years of him out of office for the world to hate him less.

You always skew data in a quaint attempt to appear relevant, but every time you fall flat on your face. :lol: Not to mention you're comparing job approval with favorability ratings. Check out Bush's job approval ratings:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111769/gallup-daily-bush-job-approval.aspx

Less than 30% for Bush.

Your post is an EPIC FAIL.

It's 2013 .. stop dwelling in the past.
 
As for my mustache that's just how it grows, as for who the fuck I am I am somebody who doesn't simper up to any GOP official willing to act as if they don't hate me.

No matter how much you lick their boots, you will never be anything more to the GOP than another uppity faggot. They don't respect you, they don't represent you, and if they had their way we would still be criminals by merely existing. There are healthier ways to express the desire to be disrespected and abused than saddling up with those who actually disrespect and abuse you.
 
Let me guess. What the US needs is a Republican President. Someone with strength who says things like it is, instead of this namby pamby diplomatic excellence of Obama, then the world will respect and fear again. Am i right?

Sad fact is, 3 of the 4 assassinated US presidents were Republican, and i do believe that a Republican was President during the worst terrorist attack on US soil, in history. Strong men do not gain respect unless their objectives are percieved as honourable, and in no instance do other nations fear the US President (or the US), whoever they happened to be. What clouds patriotism accumulates eh? To think that a great leader, of a great nation, has power akin to godliness. Your enemies won't fear you however strong the country or your president were, your allies won't respect you if your goals are dishonourable, again, however strong your country or president was.

Now to address the ridiculousness of your point about decreasing nuclear weapons of the US, as some kind of proof that Obama wants to lessen US power. Your current arsenal did not stop terrorism, backed by foreign regimes. Effective to have so many???
The US has the level that it does (well over 1000 warheads) to counterbalance the similar (if slightly higher) figure of Russia. The Cold War is over don't you know, and both countries are making gradual reductions to their stockpiles. Both countries have over 4 times the quantity of the 3rd country on the very small list of nuclear armed nations. There is only one country on that list that is any possible concern to US security (and only because of Guam and US interests abroad), North Korea. That country is estimated to have between 1 and 10 warheads.

Why the hell on Earth, given the devastation that nuclear weapons are known to cause, is it necessary for any one country on this planet to have any more than lets say twice its greatest enemy?

There are 14 countries in the world that are known to have nuclear weapons, although 5 of those share weapons through NATO (Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and Turkey), that's NATO, no threat to the US. Of the remaining 9, the US is one, certainly no threat to itself, that leaves 8. Of the remaining 8, France, UK, Israel and India are firm allies, no threat. That leaves 4, of those, Russia and China are fellow permanent members of the UN security council, they may not be such good friends of the US, but they are no enemies either. That leaves 2. Pakistan is one, but is a 'trying' ally. Only radicals within the country are any threat to US security. The government is largely co-operative. That leaves 1. North Korea is a snappy little dog. Not to say its harmless by no means, but its hardly going to do something foolish without knowing it will be committing national suicide.

So Jack, please do tell, in what way is US power going to be weakened, and security threatened, if it chose to lets say halve its stockpile? It would still have the 2nd highest nuclear arsenal as it does now.

Thank you for at least addressing the context of his speech.

You always negotiate from a position of power -- you never give power up without a reason and getting something back in return.

Obama thinks if he plays nicey, nicey with our enemies they will respect and fear us. He doesn't understand people and countries.
 
As for my mustache that's just how it grows, as for who the fuck I am I am somebody who doesn't simper up to any GOP official willing to act as if they don't hate me.

No matter how much you lick their boots, you will never be anything more to the GOP than another uppity faggot. They don't respect you, they don't represent you, and if they had their way we would still be criminals by merely existing. There are healthier ways to express the desire to be disrespected and abused than saddling up with those who actually disrespect and abuse you.

This sir, is spot on! Bravo to you for saying so succinctly (and kindly, I might add) exactly what I was thinking as I read through this thread.

Mr. Springer continues to outdo himself once again...
 
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Liberals/ Democrats openly detest conservatives and everyone who disagrees with them. They would like to silence all dissent. For proof, just review their posts on this forum. Republicans do not despise gays, they just do not agree with the gay agenda. Given that choice. Republicans are the good guys.
 
I DO wish someone would extend the courtesy of letting a fellow gay in on what the hell our agenda is, cos up until now i've just been trying to live life like everyone else...oh wait a minute...Republicans don't agree with that??? :rolleyes:

The gay political agenda has consisted primarily of: amending the definition of marriage to include 2 men or 2 women; adoption rights; right to sue employers for alleged discrimination in hiring, promoting and benefits; end of DADT by the military; and enhanced punishments for violence against gays as contrasted to non gays --so called hate crimes.
 
The gay political agenda has consisted primarily of: amending the definition of marriage to include 2 men or 2 women; adoption rights; right to sue employers for alleged discrimination in hiring, promoting and benefits; end of DADT by the military; and enhanced punishments for violence against gays as contrasted to non gays --so called hate crimes.

You forgot one. The right to be teachers so that gay men and lesbians can convert otherwise straight, prepubescent boys and girls to be swishy queens and bull dykes.
 
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Obama never gave most of Americans a chance - he started with his liberal agenda immediately -- no compromise.

He continues it to this day -- closing US coal plants while India and China open a new coal plant every week. Who does he think he's fooling
 
@mitchymo: Yeah, I know. There are people who are always going on about the Gay Agenda. Then there are other people who keep trying to tell us that Human Rights Issues are the gay agenda. I am going to let everyone in on a secret, I am a high ranking official in the inner circle. We have been trying to keep the public from finding out what the gay agenda has been for years. At our meeting last night via conference call on google voice, we have decided to finally reveal the rumored gay agenda. So get ready, this is the official gay agenda that everyone talks about, but nobody really knows what is.

The Gay Agenda is: Cocktails at 5:00pm, Dinner at 7:00pm, Sex at 11:00pm.

That's it guys, we apologize for having to keep it a secret for so long, but we had to build suspense so that when we made the big announcement to the world, that we would be sure to have the world's ear.

Thank you for your patience.
The Committee for the Protection of the Gay Agenda
CM98059 - Large Member at Large
 
One Irish politician does not mean "times have changed." Obama is the most competent president Americans have had in a generation.
 
One Irish politician does not mean "times have changed." Obama is the most competent president Americans have had in a generation.

I still think Bill Clinton is better but have to wait and see at the end of obama's term.
 
@ mitchymo: I am sorry, but the largest conversion therapy group has announced that it is a sham and has closed it's doors. So I guess you are stuck, sorry, you aren't allowed to change. If it is any consolation, I didn't agree with the cocktails at 5:00 pm part either, but it was majority rule. But I have it on good authority, that if you slip the bartender something special he will make your vodka - cran without the vodka.



I don't think there has been a president in the last fifty years that wasn't accused of something on the world stage at some point in his career. There is the possibility that Jimmy Carter may have been exempt, but he did have his brother Billy. The measure of a president usually does not come during their administration, but after it has ended. Usually it is based on the economy.
 
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Obama never gave most of Americans a chance - he started with his liberal agenda immediately -- no compromise.

He continues it to this day -- closing US coal plants while India and China open a new coal plant every week. Who does he think he's fooling

Jack, this doesn't even make sense. First the President doesn't close coal plants. If they re being closed by government order, it would be done by the EPA. Second, Obama said that the plants needed to reduce emissions, not close. One Coal plant is being converted to natural gas, and will not be closing. And he asked lawmakers to work on this issue for the last 5 plus years. The Administration is actually working with China and India to reduce their pollution as well. We have wind energy plans in Washington that are not running at full capacity, because of lack of demand. If we linked the nations energy production sources, we could pretty much phase out old technology energy production, while increasing production of Clean technologies, and create jobs in the process. Wow, what a concept, help the environment, create jobs, and reduce energy costs at the same time. Let's see, wouldn't a reduction of dependence on coal also reduce our dependence on coal mines, making it safer for workers, and reducing their exposure to possible carcinogens?

You are kidding right? You are not honestly saying ...but China and India are... I hope. Should I understand you to say that if China jumped off a bridge, you would want the United States to jump off the bridge too?
 
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Obama never gave most of Americans a chance - he started with his liberal agenda immediately -- no compromise.

He continues it to this day -- closing US coal plants while India and China open a new coal plant every week. Who does he think he's fooling

I admit that I debated you on this in this thread, but really, this should have been a new thread. It is not on topic for this thread. I will try to watch that I do not do this again.
 
Keep in mind many of these threads get hijacked at some point or another. Debate is harder and harder to do here.
 
I seriously wonder if the Right-side of the political spectrum views Obama in today's day and age the same way the Left-side views GWB...not including the trillions wasted in the Middle East and the thousands of American lives spent.

EDIT - I'm still waiting on a reply from Springer about my mustache. I can't help that it doesn't grow in the center of my upper lip, and I await an apology unless he wants to appear as if making derogatory statements about those with peculiar physical attributes.
 
EDIT-EDIT - I'd rather Jack's post about my inability to grow a full mustache be published than censored.
 
There we go again . . . can't mention Obama without trashing Bush.

Bush 49% favorable rating by Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163022/former-president-george-bush-image-ratings-improve.aspx

Obama 45% job approval rating by Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

.. now it's time to trash Gallup.

Springer I assume you are gay since you are on this site, guess what Bush hates you for that. If Obama was not elected in 2008 the Supreme Court decision today would not have been for years if ever. And you would remain a 3rd class citizen.
 
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