How to get to suck My straight friends cock?

[SaskGuy]

Willie is just being a buzz kill.....or maybe it is the voice of experience.

In any event...we seem to have scared the shit out of another newbie. If we had been smart we would have let it run its disastrous course in about 30 chapters.

It would have been a disaster for them if they were told to go ahead and try to get with this straight guy.

 

[Vitamin]

Willie is just being a buzz kill.....or maybe it is the voice of experience.

In any event...we seem to have scared the shit out of another newbie. If we had been smart we would have let it run its disastrous course in about 30 chapters.

Nobody ever posts pics anymore though.

 

[KaraBulut]

Willie is just being a buzz kill.....or maybe it is the voice of experience.

In any event...we seem to have scared the shit out of another newbie. If we had been smart we would have let it run its disastrous course in about 30 chapters.

If this were the support area, it might get more serious responses. Or we could just point toward the over dozen or so threads with the same question.

More than a few of the "My straight friend and I fell in love" threads on JUB proved to be fictional- including the one where both the straight guy and the gay friend were claiming to be posting about the "true love" in that thread.

It seldom goes well... and it's particularly sad when the responses are in the "Get him drunk" theme (which the ruffie meme is mocking, presumably)...

 

[nycguydowntown]

that sauna video is very true in NYC---BUT.....

I go to a gym upstate in the country and when I'm there---it's filled with jock type high school seniors and college guys---one is hotter than the other---there was a group of 4 or 5 of them---they were laughing this summer in the locker room---and I quote--"yeah he's been wanting this for a long time and he finally found a chick to stick stuff up his ass and now he's complaining his butt still hurts" then they cracked up laughing---I was like wow.

 

[nyctopgam]

I've sucked and fucked a couple of straight guys. Ok sure they were not completely gay. You got to majorly assure them that they are straight all the time and that all other straight men do it. It takes a bit of time. I was unemployed at the time.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I was unemployed at the time.

Are you suggesting there was some financial aspect to the deed?

 

[ElmosToe]

^ it obviously takes some serious planning, no time for work.

 

[nyctopgam]

Are you suggesting there was some financial aspect to the deed?

Hehe. No. Just that I had a lot of time on my hands

 

[nycguydowntown]

if you go along with the premise that young guys can get hard if a falling leaf rubs up against their dick---and you find a straight guy who is horny all the time and doesn't care who blows them---then I guess there are straight guys who will let you sick their d.
I have found straight guys care and some don't.

 

[zombiekiller]

I doubt it would work.

I know that I'm not attracted to a trans. One tried to give me a bj and nothing happened. Sure, I stayed erect but that was it.

 

[luckynumbah7]

^Trans isn't a single body type or a gender in and of itself. While I don't give a flying fuck who you're attracted to (or not), people could put forth a sliver of effort beyond 'at least there's no -ny at the end'.

 

[KaraBulut]

^Trans isn't a single body type or a gender in and of itself. While I don't give a flying fuck who you're attracted to (or not), people could put forth a sliver of effort beyond 'at least there's no -ny at the end'.

My guess is that he was trying to avoid the term "tranny" (even though that's still used in the porn genre). Instead of reacting and snapping at people who are still trying to learn these things, why don't you explain that FTM or MTF might be a clearer way to explain what he meant?

 

[luckynumbah7]

My guess is that he was trying to avoid the term "tranny" (even though that's still used in the porn genre). Instead of reacting and snapping at people who are still trying to learn these things, why don't you explain that FTM or MTF might be a clearer way to explain what he meant?

Because saying ftm or mtf isn't a clearer way to explain what he meant. ftm/mtf is a description of a process, you won't find many, if any, trans people who use it as something other than the shorthand it is to get a quick concept across. ftm and mtf isn't a gender. Process, not gender. If you want to call someone their gender while attacting a trans label to it then use trans guy or trans woman or neutrois trans nonbinary person or he could describe who he was being intimate with with words. and not 'A trans'. If you want to refer to a body then refer to that. I know Zombie did but I have no idea whether he was doing it in a respectful manner or not because he never bothered to put their actual identity in his conversational bit.

Which is why I didn't say anything but went with a very generic 'We don't all identify, look or work the same."

Second, I don't know what he meant. I dunno if he's talking about a trans person with or without lower surgery or somebody with an ambiguous body or an ambiguous identity. If he said ftm or mtf it still wouldn't tell me what their identity was or what their genitalia looked like, particularly when hormones are added to any side. There's too wide a range and capability between the only-two-allowable designations. Best I have is a rough idea of the usual range of possibilities - and there's no use explaining those here.

 

[KaraBulut]

... ftm and mtf isn't a gender. Process, not gender. If you want to call someone their gender while attacting a trans label to it then use trans guy or trans woman or neutrois trans nonbinary person or he could describe who he was being intimate with with words. and not 'A trans'...

Which is why I didn't say anything but went with a very generic 'We don't all identify, look or work the same."

Second, I don't know what he meant...

I'm not sure what he meant, although I can infer enough to understand what he intended to say. If I wanted or needed to know more, it makes more sense to just ask instead of snapping at him for imprecise wording.

Most of us grew up in a world of binary gender. The forms said "Male" or "Female". Even in healthcare, it was a major change to get "Undetermined" added even though indeterminate gender is very common in newborns.

The idea of fluid gender is a much different concept for most people. And honestly, the categories of gender and sexuality have gotten to be so numerous that even those of us who are trying to understand are getting frustrated.

For example, you just gave a different definition of gender than the Human Rights Campaign advocates.

When we make a faux pas or we're not up on the latest viewpoints on gender and sexuality, it would be more helpful if you explained (like you did in your last post).

P.S. Apologies for putting this trainwreck of a thread even more off-track.

 

[Vitamin]

I'm not sure what he meant, although I can infer enough to understand what he intended to say. If I wanted or needed to know more, it makes more sense to just ask instead of snapping at him for imprecise wording.

Most of us grew up in a world of binary gender. The forms said "Male" or "Female". Even in healthcare, it was a major change to get "Undetermined" added even though indeterminate gender is very common in newborns.

The idea of fluid gender is a much different concept for most people. And honestly, the categories of gender and sexuality have gotten to be so numerous that even those of us who are trying to understand are getting frustrated.

For example, you just gave a different definition of gender than the Human Rights Campaign advocates.

I see a post describing context in your near future.

 

[luckynumbah7]

One of the reasons why ftm/mtf isn't a particularly accurate description is that it's used by people regardless of physical bodily change and mostly independent from social role in that you don't cease being trans just because you didn't tell whoever you were hanging out with that you are. It isn't necessarily a genitalia thing which is what it seems people focus on with the mtf/ftm shorthand. I seem to remember cis people way the fuck back when getting peeved that people weren't/aren't continuing to identify to others as ftm/mtf after they're done transitioning. Took a hot minute to figure out an inordinently large chunk of you were pretending the acronyms were an entirely new designation.

There was a stint to use 'assigned-at-birth' language because people keep getting stupid ideas about what ftm/mtf mean but there's been similar issues with people paying too much attention to the 's' bit on aab wording. But there needed to be wiggle-room for genders besides man/woman. I suppose with using ftm in favor of trans guys at least everyone gets fucked.

As far as Zombie's lack of a pronoun/truncation, (perhaps use the word person after trans as it isn't a gender or a pronoun). Other possibilities;

"What's your pronoun?"

"----" .

I'd like to assume they'd gotten to that bit considering, well, sex. If it didn't come up then use 'they' for a pronoun, it's neutral. If they say it's something else, use that. Or just add 'person' after the adjective. Basic English taught in elementary school, in other words.

And I'm supposed to explain why ignoring someone's pronoun or gender is considered rude when dismissing a cis person's pronoun/gender is [I]also[/I] considered rude?

That level of ignorance after he's been part of/read who knows how many convos in the 8 years I've been muttering darkly* goes a smidgen beyond the hand-holding I'm mentally equipped for that you seem to be requesting.

*(And I'll be damned if I don't point out I'm not the only one here. It wouldn't kill some of you other vaguely bitter trans individuals to pipe the fuck up a bit more.

It isn't so much that giving people pronouns has to be pointed out (language use can be tricksy, after all, and some vary widely with pronoun usage). But when something is considered common-courtesy in your own social group and you drop said politeness when you think or know they're trans? Crap reasoning/defense there. That's not a neutral thing, it's yanking a common courtesy because it's expected or encouraged. Social capital and all.

I'm surprised Zombie said anything at all. Not sure why he did, but eh. Usually you can hear a pin drop if relationships with trans people are mentioned outside the fetish forum.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I see a post describing context in your near future.

I'm not staying to describe context. Someone and/or anyone can take that query, I've used up this week's patience on explaining common courtesy regarding pronouns and that not labeling you as your adjective/deviance with no goddamn noun in spitting distance is the generally-considered polite thing to do.

Nope nope nope, I have earned a vacation-lite. I'm just gonna mosy on down to hell, open the halloween candy early and steal the snickers from the neighborhood children.

 

[zombiekiller]

Oh my goodness, I just surfed the net a little before bedtime and saw this thread.

To lucky, I'm sorry for the lack of pronoun there. I typed that post using a phone while sitting in the bathroom in my office.

Ok, to clarify further. A few years back... ok more like 6-8 years back, I started dating a young man who had just come back from Iraq. He had served for 6 years in the army over there. Most beautiful man I'd ever seen. I met him at a gay support group thing in Chicago, and I told myself I gotta have that. Went up to him and asked to take him out to dinner. And we ended up dating for about 2 years.

Anyway, one Halloween I got to his apartment one night to take him out like normal. He had a dress on and makeup. I was like wow I totally forgot to put a Halloween costume on. The following day, I met up with him and he was in a different dress. I was like wow you're really into this Halloween thing. He then told me this is how I am.

I sort of ignored what he said at first. I think it took me a few days to realize what he meant. So, I'd been dating a girl all this time!

Anyway, in short, she decided not to have surgery or take hormone. Why? She did not want to lose her sex drive. So, she had the body of a man (lots of muscle with 6 pack stomach) and when she was naked you wouldn't even know. I thought I was ok with it. But it was my body that started betraying me. It got so bad that there were times I couldn't even get an erection.

And that's where my sentence in my previous post came from. She was incredibly patient with me. Again, the body was completely male. And everything was there. I can't explain it. I just know that I was not able to get arouse at all.

Anyway, along the same train of thought, I'd imagine that REAL straight guys would have a lot of trouble getting aroused by another guy.

 

[Rickrock]

Wow, I had never heard of MTF or FTM before. I guess that I don't get around much. I had heard of tranny before so I had some idea what he was talking about. It took me awhile to figure out what mtf and ftm was. Of course I don't text or abbreviate much either.

 

[peeonme]

Oh my goodness, I just surfed the net a little before bedtime and saw this thread.

To lucky, I'm sorry for the lack of pronoun there. I typed that post using a phone while sitting in the bathroom in my office.

Ok, to clarify further. A few years back... ok more like 6-8 years back, I started dating a young man who had just come back from Iraq. He had served for 6 years in the army over there. Most beautiful man I'd ever seen. I met him at a gay support group thing in Chicago, and I told myself I gotta have that. Went up to him and asked to take him out to dinner. And we ended up dating for about 2 years.

Anyway, one Halloween I got to his apartment one night to take him out like normal. He had a dress on and makeup. I was like wow I totally forgot to put a Halloween costume on. The following day, I met up with him and he was in a different dress. I was like wow you're really into this Halloween thing. He then told me this is how I am.

I sort of ignored what he said at first. I think it took me a few days to realize what he meant. So, I'd been dating a girl all this time!

Anyway, in short, she decided not to have surgery or take hormone. Why? She did not want to lose her sex drive. So, she had the body of a man (lots of muscle with 6 pack stomach) and when she was naked you wouldn't even know. I thought I was ok with it. But it was my body that started betraying me. It got so bad that there were times I couldn't even get an erection.

And that's where my sentence in my previous post came from. She was incredibly patient with me. Again, the body was completely male. And everything was there. I can't explain it. I just know that I was not able to get arouse at all.

Anyway, along the same train of thought, I'd imagine that REAL straight guys would have a lot of trouble getting aroused by another guy.

I believe that one's ability to perform is based upon inhibitions and a societal aversion to the act causing a subconscious inability to perform.
If you take into account institutional homosexuality, it is found that men who couldn't perform with another man while in free society adapt to the "norms" of the society that they are placed in, slowly inhibitions and aversions dissipate.
If it were totally based upon gay/straight orientation one's abhorrence towards contact with another male would be constant.
In short, one never knows what they are capable of until they encounter a situation that allows for a part of them that seemed non existent to surface.