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Huffpost "Gay Voices" now "Queer Voices"

Rolyo85 said:
Here in Chicago, a large swath of the LGBT population - and EVEN some straight hipstery folks - identify simply as "queer", refusing to use binaries. Queer culture is a booming part of the LGBT community, and yes, the word has 0 negative connotation in this part of the country.
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I tend to think calling the whole group "queer" is reductive--it's neither truly inclusive nor is it specific. It truly means whatever people want it to mean. Like you say, hipstery straight people use it to feel 'transcendent' and 'special'. That usage makes me uncomfortable.

I'm all for people identifying however they like, but to a certain point, a word has to mean something. It loses its meaning and power otherwise. If 'queer' simply means 'I don't think sexuality is black and white', then why apply it indiscriminately to all non-heteros?
 
Rolyo85 said:
Yeah, I mean, who doesn't want to be called a cocksucking faggot whore by TX...
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Especially since I'll only call you that if I have my cock in your mouth - EVERYBODY WINS!!!
 
Re: Huffpost "Gay Voices" now "Queer Voices"

mightbe said:
I tend to think calling the whole group "queer" is reductive--it's neither truly inclusive nor is it specific. It truly means whatever people want it to mean. Like you say, hipstery straight people use it to feel 'transcendent' and 'special'. That usage makes me uncomfortable.

I'm all for people identifying however they like, but to a certain point, a word has to mean something. It loses its meaning and power otherwise. If 'queer' simply means 'I don't think sexuality is black and white', then why apply it indiscriminately to all non-heteros?
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I suspect from what Rolyo is saying that the term is undergoing some change - I remember it being pretty specific, the "Queer" guys were definitely the proactive activist set.

The tension and argument between "Queer" and "Gay," may be a kind of relic of a bygone era...

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It used to be a kind of factionalism , but what Rolyo is describing seems a lot more general.
 
Re: Huffpost "Gay Voices" now "Queer Voices"

TX-Beau said:
I suspect from what Rolyo is saying that the term is undergoing some change - I remember it being pretty specific, the "Queer" guys were definitely the proactive activist set.

The tension and argument between "Queer" and "Gay," may be a kind of relic of a bygone era...

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It used to be a kind of factionalism , but what Rolyo is describing seems a lot more general.
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Currently, it represents a hipster movement away from the gay bar scene or the nesting lesbian lifestyle. It includes a lot of trans people, those who refuse to use a gender pronoun, etc. It is far more supportive of HIV+ people than the mainstream LGBT population, focuses on the arts and in general is a group I enjoy interacting with, but don't feel a part of.
 
Almost everyone that protested this new name justified that this word were weaponized against them on fag-bashing or another form of attack on their dignity. Almost everyone that endorsed justified that "queer is not even used as an insult anymore". I suspect that some people have it so easy that they envy the "marginalised" status, desire it as a thrill, and so give preference to a term that reflects their dreamed social bizarreness. The lack of empathy to those who had to endure this homophobic coded word is appailling to me.
And screaming "free speech, free speech" ain't no justification for anything. The discussion is not to decide if the editors of Huffington Post should be fined, or imprisioned or sent to the gulag. It's a discussion of either the new name is appropriate or not, if it is homophobic or not, if it is or isn't an insult that will alienate the majority of their goal consumers. And, of course, it's a discussion of either their readers should exercise their freedom of choise and go read a better newsblog, or not. Pretending this has anything to do with free speech, when this is not in question, is dishonest and lazy.
I believe you guys would have a better time with a blog that is not pushing any of this queer nonsense in their very title. I myself find that Towleroad surprisingly gets the news earlier, and the personal blog SparkInDarkness (from a lawyer in London) have much more inteligent insights. If you guys have any other suggestions, I'm interested.
 
umdoistressilvaquatro said:
Almost everyone that protested this new name justified that this word were weaponized against them on fag-bashing or another form of attack on their dignity. Almost everyone that endorsed justified that "queer is not even used as an insult anymore". I suspect that some people have it so easy that they envy the "marginalised" status, desire it as a thrill, and so give preference to a term that reflects their dreamed social bizarreness. The lack of empathy to those who had to endure this homophobic coded word is appailling to me.
And screaming "free speech, free speech" ain't no justification for anything. The discussion is not to decide if the editors of Huffington Post should be fined, or imprisioned or sent to the gulag. It's a discussion of either the new name is appropriate or not, if it is homophobic or not, if it is or isn't an insult that will alienate the majority of their goal consumers. And, of course, it's a discussion of either their readers should exercise their freedom of choise and go read a better newsblog, or not. Pretending this has anything to do with free speech, when this is not in question, is dishonest and lazy.
I believe you guys would have a better time with a blog that is not pushing any of this queer nonsense in their very title. I myself find that Towleroad surprisingly gets the news earlier, and the personal blog SparkInDarkness (from a lawyer in London) have much more inteligent insights. If you guys have any other suggestions, I'm interested.
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As has been stated, everyone who grew up QUEER has had a rough time of it. I fucking grew up in the backwoods in Texas - do your worst, unless you've been actually murdered, I can probably top it.

I don't care what you read, I don't care what you call yourself, why don't you return the courtesy.
 
TX-Beau said:
As has been stated, everyone who grew up QUEER has had a rough time of it. I fucking grew up in the backwoods in Texas - do your worst, unless you've been actually murdered, I can probably top it.

I don't care what you read, I don't care what you call yourself, why don't you return the courtesy.
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But I don't mind what you call yourself. I don't even know you. I wrote nothing about you. I keep reading your comment and I still have absolutely no idea what you mean...
 
Cop out. If you're going to be sanctimonious, at least have the character to stand by it.
 
umdoistressilvaquatro said:
I keep reading your comment and I still have absolutely no idea what you mean...
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Welcome to JUB. (*8*)


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Why not own the word queer and get the power from that word?

And for prostitutes,
why not own the word slut and get the power from that word ?
 
Telstra said:
Why not own the word queer and get the power from that word?

And for prostitutes,
why not own the word slut and get the power from that word ?
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Well that's kinda an endless cycle now isn't it? They call you something mean, then they see you've taken it so they come with a new mean word to call you that you promptly adopt...

Who wins in that cycle exactly?
 
"I clearly remember the tiny group in the Castro, Queer Nation, who went around with "queer" "faggot" and such insults all over their jackets. They would hold protests constantly. They went off to protest in Sacramento and stopped along the way. A patro at the restaurant they entered insulted them by calling them "queer"—the very label they had applied to themselves.
Their response was to go back to the restaurant and protest. This is the irrationality of how these words are used. It's empowering if we do it, insulting if you do. But don't call us gay, or lesbian, or trans, we're all queer—except when we're not and you better know the difference or we'll protest."

Loved this comment by James Peron.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Um, I'm a slut and I've never had sex for money. Dafuq you talking about?
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Same here..except once I did get 20 bucks and a carton of cigarettes to let someone blow me....eh....sounded like a good deal at the time since I told him no and he persisted...it was quick and easy...and I was out of cigarettes #-o
 
It is worth noting that the Huffington Post has a lot of readers outside the USA, who do not like to be called Queer. They may not even identify as such. Lots of readers from homophobic places in Asia and Africa will be shocked.
 
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