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Huffpost "Gay Voices" now "Queer Voices"

Are you deliberately trolling me right now?

There is a WORD that describes everyone.

There is a culture that uses that word to describe itself.

The two are not the same. I seriously don't think there's a simpler way to say this. Or are you going to tell me that every LGBT you know is part of "gay culture"?
 
Are you deliberately trolling me right now?

There is a WORD that describes everyone.

There is a culture that uses that word to describe itself.

The two are not the same. I seriously don't think there's a simpler way to say this. Or are you going to tell me that every LGBT you know is part of "gay culture"?

What I'm demonstrating is that NO SUCH WORD has been proposed. It's fascinating that you clearly see the problems with "gay" as the universal term but not "queer". Neither is fit for purpose.
 
Ok, let me explain to you why straight bros saying "gay" when they mean "pathetic" and "lame" (NEVER "harsh", "unfair" or "hopeless") is FAR more damaging than a site changing a column's title using a word that has been reappropriated for over a decade by the community it used to insult.

You are just wrong. It is a subculture of that community who have adopted the word, not the entire community. And the word STILL is used to insult, and STILL is recieved as such by everyone else, so its a ridiculous notion to suggest that the word 'used' to be an insult like it no longer is....IT IS.
Furthermore, the notion that cussing with the word gay is FAR worse than reappropriating queer, is just preoposterous.
In accepting the undertone that 'gay' can be associated with 'lame', 'pathetic' 'ridiculous' and all other negative descriptors at a subconscious or subtle level, how can you possibly regard that as worse than a blatant descriptor which means 'odd', 'peculiar' or 'weird', like those don't conjure negative stereotypes themselves.

The word itself contradicts the very identity of many gay individuals who do not see themselves, nor want to be percieved, as odd, or different, or peculiar, or indeed more extensive descriptors of greater negativity, like abnormal.



Reappropriation is a positive move, and using a reappropriated word to try and be more inclusive (whether you like the word or not, today it is a broad term that encompasses gay people, as well as many other non-labeled sexual and gender minorities) is a good thing. Sure, people who need to be offended, will be offended, especially if they have no notion of modern queer culture, as you clearly don't. But in the end, it's an American site and it's reacting to American culture. And HERE the word "queer" is massively accepted as positive.

So massively accepted as positive that barely anybody had a negative thing to say about it.....but erm.

Look, reappropriation of a word works for those who accept it. I don't, others don't. Those who do, do so because they are a part of, or appreciate the queer subculture. They represent perfectly what queer means. In HuffPosts case, it is a very suitable word for trying to be as inclusive of all the 'ODD' persons that don't fit neatly into that cumbersome LGBT acronym, but it is a bad choice to adopt a slur of gay men as an umbrella term, because it pushes many in that group away. It is counter-productive. Even lesbians voiced their opposition to the use.

And just to pull up on the dig that i clearly know little about the queer culture, you are absolutely right, but i choose it to be that way. Queer culture is unappealing to me. I have next to no interest in it. I am perfectly happy in my male gender identity, i have no interest in wearing women's clothes (in whole, or as an accesory), i have no interest in liberal arts, i don't wear make-up, i don't have any kinky eccentricities, i don't 'style' my hair, i don't wear tight and colourful clothing, i'm not a militant, i don't hang out at gay venues.
I'm just a gay male. I'm a normal guy as far as i'm concerned. And i take offence to being described as queer. Simple as that.
 
You do know the entire conversation we are having is based on American culture, and you're British, right? I mean, not trying to disenfranchise anyone here, but in the end, Huffpost is a US site, queer culture is a US thing, the reappropriation of the word happened here as well. Perhaps you should accept that you aren't the target audience for this change of name...
 
^Though for the first paragraph/chunk of text (it--themselves), he's absolutely right. Those are straight facts. You can't really claim the whole community has embraced 'queer' with open arms, nor can you claim "queer" isn't a widespread slur. As a fellow anglophone, his notion of what words mean is just as valid as yours and mine. "Queer" has the ability to spread across the anglosphere (and potentially into other languages as well; note the adoption of "gay" into other languages).

The rest is general opinion that doesn't specifically pertain to Huffpost's decision, but so what? I'm relieved that people are taking the broader view.
 
In 1983, I was afraid of the queer word. Well, it's 30+yrs later and the world has changed a whole lot since then. I no longer fear that word, I haven't for 20 or so years. I'll answer to being queer. I will NOT answer to being fag or faggot.

It's a word. Get over it already.
 
In 1983, I was afraid of the queer word. Well, it's 30+yrs later and the world has changed a whole lot since then. I no longer fear that word, I haven't for 20 or so years. I'll answer to being queer. I will NOT answer to being fag or faggot.

It's a word. Get over it already.

Well, yeah, queer is a word... like fag or faggot. That affirmations means nothing, answer nothing.
 
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