I bet muslims are silent about this !!!

[star-warrior]

Catholic priests did NOT do crimes for god,
but islamists do crimes for god. Big difference.

 

[Telstra]

^ Star, he was talking about priests child abuse.
They didn't do child abuse for god, they did it for themselves.

 

[ElmosToe]

My question was, should all groups condemn the violence of their fellows, or just religious groups?

The discussion of the thread isn't referring to non-religious groups and it was already previous made clear by Zeno in his previous post that he was specifically referring to people who act in the name of a religion, aka "religious groups."

Why ask a question when you already have the answer?

 

[ElmosToe]

I agree...while noting...

... that agenda driven campaigns have a habit of focusing on specific groups, while ignoring others.

And what campaign would that be? who's campaign? is there someone running for office we are to be electing?
And what pray tell would that agenda be? Please feel free to enlighten those who are apparently left in the dark of such things.

 

[ElmosToe]

They didn't do child abuse for god, they did it for themselves.

In my experience, often times, when religious fanatics claim to be "acting in the name of god," it's just a cover for their own selfish deeds. Conversely, many will actually delude themselves and convince others that their delusion is the will of god. Having been subjected to child molestation myself at that hands of church leaders who proclaimed they were doing the will of god, I beg to differ.

 

[kallipolis]

And what campaign would that be? who's campaign? is there someone running for office we are to be electing?
And what pray tell would that agenda be? Please feel free to enlighten those who are apparently left in the dark of such things.

Remove those blinkers... it's a daily crusade for a couple of our regular posters.

 

[kallipolis]

The discussion of the thread isn't referring to non-religious groups and it was already previous made clear by Zeno in his previous post that he was specifically referring to people who act in the name of a religion, aka "religious groups."

Why ask a question when you already have the answer?

Religious, or non religious for the abused person the result is the same.

 

[Telstra]

In my experience, often times, when religious fanatics claim to be "acting in the name of god," it's just a cover for their own selfish deeds. Conversely, many will actually delude themselves and convince others that their delusion is the will of god. Having been subjected to child molestation myself at that hands of church leaders who proclaimed they were doing the will of god, I beg to differ.

Islamists are proud of their crimes (they show off their crimes like be-headings ... etc)
The priests are not (they hide their crimes)

 

[kallipolis]

Islamists are proud of their crimes (they show off their crimes like be-headings ... etc)
The priests are not (they hide their crimes)

Criminal abuse of human beings, by human beings is never the result of a higher inspiration encouraging them.

 

[KaraBulut]

Islamists are proud of their crimes (they show off their crimes like be-headings ... etc)
The priests are not (they hide their crimes)

Well, while we're painting with a broad brush, Australians eat meat pies, Vegemite and barbecue all day. When they're not drunk or surfing.

In my experience, often times, when religious fanatics claim to be "acting in the name of god," it's just a cover for their own selfish deeds. Conversely, many will actually delude themselves and convince others that their delusion is the will of god.

I wouldn't say "will of god" but instead maybe "justified/excused by their beliefs". But otherwise, that is the common denominator with these fanatical and fundamentalist groups.

 

[zoltanspawn]

The discussion of the thread isn't referring to non-religious groups and it was already previous made clear by Zeno in his previous post that he was specifically referring to people who act in the name of a religion, aka "religious groups."

Why ask a question when you already have the answer?

"Should" is the question I've asked, and it asks a question which you are not apprehending. Zeno's post may be solely about the violence of religious groups, but ought it?

The question invites an explanation, thus, of why religious groups should singularly be accountable for violence.

What is the particular reason that requires such a standard for religion that's spared of, say, communists, Malaysians or men?

 

[Telstra]

i watched the religious debates from the UK
Don't know why they gave a lot of air time to the islamists.

 

[pat grimshaw]

i watched the religious debates from the UK....

Which ones? Those Youtubes at the Oxford Union?

...Don't know why they gave a lot of air time to the islamists.

Because they are changing the face of England with their intolerance and MASSIVE birthrate and inbreeding and many English feel outnumbered and alien in their own land.

 

[Telstra]

the show such as the BBC "the big questions"
show much air time for islamists and their views

[video=yoo[/video]

 

[pat grimshaw]

…show much air time for …

They are getting rid of those ghastly English Whiteys from the English BBC.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/02/bbc-presenter-jon-holmes-the-now-show-sacked

 

[ElmosToe]

Remove those blinkers... it's a daily crusade for a couple of our regular posters.

While I understand there are a more than a few here who are missing key elements in the cranial department, I think it has more to do with genuine ignorance or naivete rather than of despicable, sinister origin. Perhaps I'm more inclined to give others the benefit of doubt.

Either way, why not simply just be direct and call them on it regardless if it's genuine ignorance or inherently sinister? Make a point to correct their folly.

I wouldn't say "will of god" but instead maybe "justified/excused by their beliefs". But otherwise, that is the common denominator with these fanatical and fundamentalist groups.

That's precisely my point. Why I said "it's a cover for their own selfish deeds."
They either use the excuse of doing the "will of god" or they have genuinely deluded themselves into thinking they are when in reality their selfish motivations are the same and have nothing to do with God, His will or their religion.

"Should" is the question I've asked, and it asks a question which you are not apprehending. Zeno's post may be solely about the violence of religious groups, but ought it?

The question invites an explanation, thus, of why religious groups should singularly be accountable for violence.

I COMPREHEND it perfectly. More well than you realize. You however, have failed to comprehend that I am addressing unnecessary passive/aggressive behavior. By pointing out the asking of an insinuating question that you already have the answer to.

This thread is specifically addressing religious groups and violence committed by fanatics of those religious groups in the name of their religion.

If you want to have a discussion on violence committed by non-religious groups, then start a thread and have that discussion.

What is the particular reason that requires such a standard for religion that's spared of, say, communists, Malaysians or men?

Or if your intent on asking such questions has an ulterior motive or "agenda", then perhaps you should ask the REAL question that you want the answer to.



So let's be clear on my point here.
Rather than gum up the conversation with countless logical fallacies that are irrelevant to the discussion, why not address your concerns directly. Moreover, why not simply correct the ignorance and stupidity of those demonstrating such behavior and then actually make valuable and insightful, worthwhile contributions on genuine issues that actually matter, like say for example, religious leaders being silent when violence is committed in the name of their religion by fanatics?

Just a thought.

 

[rareboy]

I'm sure that Telstra is now getting what he hoped for form this thread.

I think though, that in future, when threads on Islam are posted....it is about time that they get moved to that forum.

 

[Telstra]

There are so many threads about Donald Trump and i didn't complain

 

[rareboy]

And they are all in CE&P.

Like all the Islam threads maybe should just get moved to Religion.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Or if your intent on asking such questions has an ulterior motive or "agenda", then perhaps you should ask the REAL question that you want the answer to.

What's my real question?