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I can't recommend Linux to anyone

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Dont get me wrong, i love it on my own computers, but after today, its my humble opinion that linux is ALMOST just as bad as the competition. Newbies should stay away from it though lol.

It's gonna sound like a rant, and it probably is. After being fed up with Ubuntu's bloat, i decided to try linux Mint Debian. The liveUSB worked fine, everything seemed ok, after installing i tried installing my dock, found out compositing wasn't on. tried running compiz --replace. It failed, miserably. (Why load compiz into a distribution if it doesnt work??) Then i found out that on every boot, it kept switching the labels of my hard drives back and forth. So i gave up, downloaded the latest ubuntu, made a LiveUSB, tried to boot into it, didn't work either. DD method didn't work. Unetbootin didn't work, usb-creator gave me a "failed to install bootloader". So i copied an older version onto my USB, installed it, now im wasting an hour just for the upgrade to the most recent version.

*breathes*

for all the greatness of FLOSS, there are serious drawbacks, including: half-assed programs/code, Bugs that never get fixed, and developers that respond "you dont pay me! you cant complain its free" (though they waste no time in trying to convert non-linuxers). *ugh* and the last time i tried to give general feedback on what i thought might make linux better, i was basically bitched off the ubuntu forums.

Bottom line: stick with whatever youre used to. Linux ain't for noobs.
 
You wanna know the best part? After installing the 10.04 version, and spending two hours downloading and installing the upgrade to 10.10, it broke GRUB! (the bootloader), so i had to boot with the liveUSB, run a dozen commands in the terminal to reinstall it.

I ran out and got a sixpack before last call at the dep lol.

Like i said, unless you already know your way around linux, there's no way in hell the average user could get over all the problems i encountered yesterday.

I wouldn't want to switch to windows or mac, but i sure as shit ain't gonna try to get anyone else to switch from whatever they're using either. I wouldn't want to be responsible for false promises of ease and support lol.
 
We use Lucid Puppy sometimes and it just stops working properly once in a while. Linux is just too complicated to learn quickly - every time I have a problem, I end up with a dozen more things I have to learn in order to understand the answer to the original problem. I'd like to find something in between Window's "We know what's best for you" and Linux's "There are so many choices you'll be lost in the muck". I'm gaining an appreciation of Windows often giving warnings before it screws me.
 
On the other side, I've used it for about 6 months now fully, and my boyfriend who knows nothing about computers, we can use it fine, got 10.10 with only one problem as well (Which was easily fixed with out any of the terminal stuff!

I think its great for new people as i've learnt, if you don't mess with a computer it don't break!
 
I found out in order to make a liveUSB of 10.10 you need to already have Ubuntu installed and use their usb-creator. Otherwise if youre doing it through unetbootin you have to gedit some file to get it to boot properly.
 
True, it can be best to stay with what you're used to, and a distro of Linux may not be best for the average computer user. Yet, I think there are aspects of Linux that may appeal or be easier for an average computer user.

It all depends on the users needs and how they use their computer. If the user is only using their machine to surf the web and correspond through email, why spend all the money on an Apple or Windows product?
 
Well i still think Linux is more suitable for hobbyists. Not everone has evenings to waste fixing stuff that broke after an update and filing endless bug reports.
 
Everytime I've tried to use Linux I always end up somehow getting my grub booter f'd up. Then I have to boot with a flash drive :/. I use Acronis on windows just in case something happens. Its saved me a couple times and it's really quick. All I say is that any OS you have will mess up at one point or another. Have some kinds of software other than the one bundled with it to back up your stuff.
 
Purplebic said:
I found out in order to make a liveUSB of 10.10 you need to already have Ubuntu installed and use their usb-creator. Otherwise if youre doing it through unetbootin you have to gedit some file to get it to boot properly.
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I don't understand this post.

Canonical recommends the Universal USB Installer if you are installing from Windows, not Unetbootin.

Just follow the instructions on the download page.
 
jubhug said:
If all of those minds focusing on all those distros would work together they might come up with a desktop that people can use readily.
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I guess thats what they call freedom of choice. But between having 200 dysfunctional distros, and 10 or 20 good ones, id chose the latter.
 
Purplebic said:
Did it ever occur to you that people might try to make ubuntu liveUSB from other distributions?
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Ubuntu is FREE and OPEN SOURCE software. The Ubuntu USB creator is also FOSS. Any distribution is free to copy this software, to create USB boot disks for its own or other distributions. It is not Canonical's responsibility to develop a USB installation program for Ubuntu for every operating system on planet Earth. They have covered the three most popular OS's on the planet.

It is not an indictment of Canonical that it does not offer a USB installer that works for any and every Linux distro out there. The Ubuntu download page clearly includes USB creation instructions for Ubuntu, Windows, and OS X. If you used Unetbootin, then you installed Ubuntu from Windows or some other Linux distro. Canonical can hardly be held responsible for problems you encountered installing with third party software.

Does Windows include a USB installation program for Ubuntu? Why do you not consider that a defect of Windows?
 
i love arguing with freetards....

What your basically saying is that you either need to already have windows or ubuntu installed. But anyone using any other linux distro is most likely using Unetbootin to create their liveUSBs. Consider that most distros that offer a liveCD image have no problems booting when copied to USB by unetbootin.

So bottom line, you think it's the user's own damn fault if he is trying to create a ubuntu liveUSB from let's say, Fedora, because he should already have Ubuntu or Windows installed.

Typical FOSS mentalities, "blame the user" and "it's free you can't complain".
 
Purplebic said:
i love arguing with freetards....

What your basically saying is that you either need to already have windows or ubuntu installed. But anyone using any other linux distro is most likely using Unetbootin to create their liveUSBs. Consider that most distros that offer a liveCD image have no problems booting when copied to USB by unetbootin.

So bottom line, you think it's the user's own damn fault if he is trying to create a ubuntu liveUSB from let's say, Fedora, because he should already have Ubuntu or Windows installed.

Typical FOSS mentalities, "blame the user" and "it's free you can't complain".
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Nonsense.

You're the one who is complaining that Canonical has not included an installer for more that one thousand known Linux distros, BSD, several dozen flavors of Unix, several versions of OS X, and several versions of Windows - even though not one of those OSs includes the reciprocal courtesy of an installer for users of Ubuntu!! Not one of them!

Canonical has gone out of its way to make installation easy for 99.5% of the people who might want to install it - a courtesy unheard of in the industry, and unmatched by anyone else on planet Earth. But somehow that is not adequate to you.

What sort of hand-holding do you require? Did you want someone from Canonical to come to your home and put Ubuntu on all your PCs for you for free?
 
T-Rexx said:
Nonsense.

You're the one who is complaining that Canonical has not included an installer for more that one thousand known Linux distros, BSD, several dozen flavors of Unix, several versions of OS X, and several versions of Windows - even though not one of those OSs includes the reciprocal courtesy of an installer for users of Ubuntu!! Not one of them!

Canonical has gone out of its way to make installation easy for 99.5% of the people who might want to install it - a courtesy unheard of in the industry, and unmatched by anyone else on planet Earth. But somehow that is not adequate to you.

What sort of hand-holding do you require? Did you want someone from Canonical to come to your home and put Ubuntu on all your PCs for you for free?
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What the hell are you talking about? installers? the image itself is bootable, or is supposed to be.
What i expect is that they build a proper image that boots regardless of what you used to copy it to USB.


Im not the only that got this when trying to boot:
Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot
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And you wanna know what the solution is?
Go to root of USB flash disk to the folder /syslinux and find the file syslinux.cfg
Edit the file with a text editor; under the line

ui gfxboot bootlogo
change to
gfxboot bootlogo
then save.
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This is their fuckup, not mine. And it's certainly not something a newcommer would know how to fix (or even bother to try).

But like most linux enthusiasts (freetards), you're pretty good at converting people, but completely fail to grasp any problems that come up, and instead of offering any pertinent solution, you just insult the user's intelligence.

And If i were you i wouldn't talk about hand-holding, as i recall the last time you got involved in some OS flame war, a fanboy made you cry and runaway from JUB.
 
I think T-Rexxs reaction is perfect example of what they call "support" in the linux community.

Buyer beware, if you're considering a switch to linux, get used to solving your problems on your own. God knows once a freetard is done insulting your choice of windows or mac and has converted you, they'll move on to the next target and insult your intelligence if you dare complain about a problem or bug.
 
i think your post is a perfect example that you are a trolling "macfag/winfag" .. maybe you should post a boards where that kind of lingo is considered "cool" ..
 
Corny said:
i think your post is a perfect example that you are a trolling "macfag/winfag" .. maybe you should post a boards where that kind of lingo is considered "cool" ..
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Except im a linux user and have been using it for six years now. mac/winfags pass judgement on linux after using for five minutes. Ive endured dist-upgrade after dist-upgrade where something gets fixed, and something else breaks.

What exactly upsets you? the fact that i know what im talking about and can back it up, (and in the process, letting people know what they're in for). If so, maybe you should start your own thread. Or maybe you could join this troll/bait thread: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322580
 
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