"I don't like black people, do you?"

[Dominus]

I'm curious though.

What would you do if he came out and said he doesn't like fags?

Or 'orientals'?

No idea. I haven't encountered such a situation yet. All my tenants know I'm gay.

Fair Housing is pretty restrictive. There is a paragraph that forbids discrimnation based on "any arbitrary characteristic". LOL this pretty much covers everything under the sun. I don't wanna become the next landlord blasted on right wing media as they take me to the supreme court. No thanks.

 

[Latimer]

I wonder if he was trying to goad you into responding and arguing with you. You did the right thing by letting it pass without comment.

 

[Dominus]

I wonder if he was trying to goad you into responding and arguing with you. You did the right thing by letting it pass without comment.

Of course he was. It is standard practice for me to go through each line of the lease before we sign it. During this time, he kept trying to go back to how great Trump was and all that. The wife had to finally said she doesn't care who was in office she just lives her life. I said the same.

I'm thinking he knows I'm liberal just from the fact that I'm an openly gay dude married to another dude. I mention my husband's name all the time. So, of course he's trying to get me to get into an argument with him. I'm not falling for it.

Edit.

Is that your torso?

 

[Cormac135]

I wonder if he was trying to goad you into responding and arguing with you. You did the right thing by letting it pass without comment.

No he did the cowardly thing, unless your life is in danger you have an obligation to speak up when someone is being racist, sexist, homophobic etc.

At the very least you should remove yourself from the situation.

 

[peeonme]

No he did the cowardly thing, unless your life is in danger you have an obligation to speak up when someone is being racist, sexist, homophobic etc.

At the very least you should remove yourself from the situation.

You can't fix stupid. There are dummies on both ends... people that want Mt.Rushmore removed and can't tell you who is on it. That's why in my first post in reply to the question I said I would have answered it with a question.
When dealing with ignorance, whether if it's about a group or a monument it can become a teaching moment rather than a confrontation. You find that many people are just "parroting" what they have heard from a radical on either end of the spectrum and have not really put much thought into what they are saying.

The big mistake liberals and Trump people make is in estranging others by verbally assaulting them over their views. If someone told me that they didn't like blacks I would ask them why. Find out where they are coming from. lead them into questioning their position rather than calling them names. Be tolerant with the intolerant on both sides.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

^^Problem here, you are treating Racism like it is some valid view point or opinion. It isn’t. It is based on ignorance and prejudice. I am not saying it was the OPs obligation to set this guy “straight” or anything. But I think believing people who are bigoted are open to reasonable discussion is very naive and giving them sort of entry to making their “view point” seem valid, only facilitates their bigotry.

 

[Dominus]

^Problem here, you are treating Racism like it is some valid view point or opinion. It isn’t. It is based on ignorance and prejudice. I am not saying it was the OPs obligation to set this guy “straight” or anything. But I think believing people who are bigoted are open to reasonable discussion are very naive.

Hence, I don't engage them. It is like talking to a wall. I simply don't have the time or patience to address every gish gallop they throw at me. And yes, I have heard plenty of those.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Hence, I don't engage them. It is like talking to a wall. I simply don't have the time or patience to address every gish gallop they throw at me. And yes, I have heard plenty of those.

That was meant for peeonme, I just didn’t use the quote feature.

 

[Dominus]

That was meant for peeonme, I just didn’t use the quote feature.

I know. And my message was meant for you. I have better things to do then get in long arguments with a rightwinger knowing he isn't really hearing what I'm saying.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

I know. And my message was meant for you. I have better things to do then get in long arguments with a rightwinger knowing he isn't really hearing what I'm saying.

Which is why I said you were under no obligation to get into with this individual. Lol.

 

[peeonme]

^^Problem here, you are treating Racism like it is some valid view point or opinion. It isn’t. It is based on ignorance and prejudice. I am not saying it was the OPs obligation to set this guy “straight” or anything. But I think believing people who are bigoted are open to reasonable discussion is very naive and giving them sort of entry to making their “view point” seem valid, only facilitates their bigotry.

The problem with words like racism is that they can only be used in one direction and only applied to the majority. Hence there is no defense against an accusation and SJW's use this term to paint with a broad brush. There is prejudice on both ends (pre justice". I have talked with blacks that are convinced that all people who were white before slaves were freed owned slaves. I have heard many stupid comments from whites. I don't feel an obligation to "bitch slap" people of any color and set them straight. I feel the need to learn, I want to know where they are coming from. What makes people tick. Then rather than to deluge a person with my point of view, I try to get them to question theirs.

If you want to fortify a persons opinion just tell them that they are wrong, stupid , racist, naive etc. When I bring up the need for national health care many respond with " I don't want the government in charge of my health care".
I don't counter with a monologue about how many people are going without proper health care, I ask them if they are on Medicare or know of someone (maybe a parent) that is. I might ask them about the health care benefits that they get from an employer, co-pays, deductibles and co premium payments.

To think that people who use derogatory comments against blacks or whites are just biased, useless and ignorant rather than misinformed and uneducated is prejudicial. A mind is a terrible thing to wast.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

I personally only use the term racist when someone is actually being racist. There is no problem with using any word when it applies unless you simply want to beat around the bush with an issue. And with racism, that doesn’t help when you’re avoiding using the word because you are not completely addressing the issue. Racists themselves do not like to be called Racists. Why? Because a part of them knows it is a bad thing they just don’t want to acknowledge it for one reason or another.

And the fact of the matter is, it isn’t like people haven’t tried reasonable conversation time and time again to where it hasn’t worked. It’s not like protests were the first response to systematic racism, people tried other avenues including trying to be reasonable and that ended being ignored because generally racists and bigots don’t actually care or don’t have the intention of being reasoned with.

When I was younger I can’t count the amount of times I have tried to have these conversations with family members or “friends” at the time who just never had any interest in listening or reasoning or learning from it. At this point anyone spouting off bigoted nonsense, I’m not there to try to understand or reason with them, there are plenty of avenues to learn why it is wrong being that way. This is a learned behavior, these people have to want to un-learn it. Otherwise conversation or reasoning is fruitless.

 

[peeonme]

I personally only use the term racist when someone is actually being racist. There is no problem with using any word when it applies unless you simply want to beat around the bush with an issue. And with racism, that doesn’t help when you’re avoiding using the word because you are not completely addressing the issue. Racists themselves do not like to be called Racists. Why? Because a part of them knows it is a bad thing they just don’t want to acknowledge it for one reason or another.

And the fact of the matter is, it isn’t like people haven’t tried reasonable conversation time and time again to where it hasn’t worked. It’s not like protests were the first response to systematic racism, people tried other avenues including trying to be reasonable and that ended being ignored because generally racists and bigots don’t actually care or don’t have the intention of being reasoned with.

When I was younger I can’t count the amount of times I have tried to have these conversations with family members or “friends” at the time who just never had any interest in listening or reasoning or learning from it. At this point anyone spouting off bigoted nonsense, I’m not there to try to understand or reason with them, there are plenty of avenues to learn why it is wrong being that way. This is a learned behavior, these people have to want to un-learn it. Otherwise conversation or reasoning is fruitless.

A conversation consists of a dialogue, not a monologue.

 

[Cormac135]

You can't fix stupid. There are dummies on both ends... people that want Mt.Rushmore removed and can't tell you who is on it. That's why in my first post in reply to the question I said I would have answered it with a question.
When dealing with ignorance, whether if it's about a group or a monument it can become a teaching moment rather than a confrontation. You find that many people are just "parroting" what they have heard from a radical on either end of the spectrum and have not really put much thought into what they are saying.

The big mistake liberals and Trump people make is in estranging others by verbally assaulting them over their views. If someone told me that they didn't like blacks I would ask them why. Find out where they are coming from. lead them into questioning their position rather than calling them names. Be tolerant with the intolerant on both sides.

Indeed but people have a duty not to pander to racists etc, and i consider just sitting there saying nothing back gives the racist comfort, i understand some people just want an easy life but in the long run it's soul destroying, you have to face a few storms in order to grow as a human being.

 

[peeonme]

Indeed but people have a duty not to pander to racists etc, and i consider just sitting there saying nothing back gives the racist comfort, i understand some people just want an easy life but in the long run it's soul destroying, you have to face a few storms in order to grow as a human being.

Again, if one makes the statement " I don't like blacks, do you?" I would ask what they mean. Are they referring to rap music? (which I despise) Are they talking about gangtas and thugs? Maybe Al Sharpton pisses them off. If a black said the same about whites we would surly not assume that the person was racist... hell, he couldn't be, could he?

Maybe the white dude did time and bubba fucked him, who knows? Blacks look back at history and see slave owners and project that image on to whites that dare to disagree with them. Does a white person have the option of seeing rioting and looting done in the name of civil rights no less and then projecting that image on to the black community? When we forsake individuality when it come to people of white skin tone does it open the door to judge others by their skin tone?

If you want equality it means that all people of all races should be protected from hate speech, level the playing field. You can't have an open and honest discussion when one side is just waiting for the "wrong" word to come out of your mouth so they can tag you as a racist.

 

[rareboy]

Indeed but people have a duty not to pander to racists etc, and i consider just sitting there saying nothing back gives the racist comfort, i understand some people just want an easy life but in the long run it's soul destroying, you have to face a few storms in order to grow as a human being.

Pretty much this.

 

[NotHardUp1]

It's not like he killed somebody. Or buried them in his basement.

Whether his view is valid or not isn't the point. You don't have to ascribe validity to his view any more than he has to ascribe validity to yours. Society isn't dependent upon us accepting the views of people we disagree with. It's built on the concept of live and let live.

Someone not liking whites or Latinos or blacks or East Asians isn't supposed to be racism if you listen to the universities and SJWs. That's exactly why blacks in American are not supposed to be able to be racist, as they cannot be oppressors, cannot execute institutional systematic racism to disadvantage another race.

So, Aristo's tenant must have to be in a position of empowerment where he can deprive blacks of opportunity, of equality, of access to their rights, else he's just a jerk who dislikes blacks because he lumps them into a group, fairly or unfairly, as the basis of his dislike.

If he's not actively working to oppress, or espouse hate, he isn't apparently doing anything more than the blacks who dislike or badmouth whites, as they aren't in a position to effect the oppression of the group they hate.

 

[peeonme]

^^
well said

 

[peeonme]

Indeed but people have a duty not to pander to racists etc, and i consider just sitting there saying nothing back gives the racist comfort, i understand some people just want an easy life but in the long run it's soul destroying, you have to face a few storms in order to grow as a human being.

The idea of people have a duty to do more than work, pay taxes and die doesn't cut it. You can't pressure free people in to joining a cause.

 

[Cormac135]

The idea of people have a duty to do more than work, pay taxes and die doesn't cut it. You can't pressure free people in to joining a cause.

Being a decent human being isn't a cause it's an obligation to the rest of the world, silence=death.