I found Jesus

[Andreus]

I just keep ducking this thread and it just keeps popping up again on the current listing

what is the fascination?

its not like we all love each other and are nice to each other around here... thats just the sad truth

read some of the threads floating around here

and then this kid goes somewhere and sweet people with sacharine on their lips promise him a bed of roses and a clear conscience

I dont know what triggered such self loathing in him, and it may just be alot more complex than we want to see, but i see it in alot more people than this thread would pretend

I just hope he doesnt hurt some poor woman who really believes that he is converted... thats my fear...

and then we will have one more guy trapsing through the bathrooms at JC pennys for BJ's and going home to the little woman until one day he hits the big four O and hates her and himself so much that he comes out of the closet again. And all of the angst would have been for what?

I dunno. I just dont get the world sometimes

 

[zoltanspawn]

Surf's redirected/corrected the link back to camescorts from narth.

 

[Gay3DFan]

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

I'd much rather watch webcams than visit the NARTH web site any day.

 

[blooeyz]

Thanks dino, I let him take the wheel and we're headed to hetero land. I'm going to live out my life as a heterosexual male with conservative views and look forward to starting a *real* family someday. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. It took me 6 months on this board to distinguish between right and wrong. Some of the guys on here with their bizarre fetishes and beliefs, made this decision very easy. There's no looking back now, I'm well on my way to being "cured" and it feels awefully darn good!

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Yeah
Good luck with that.
We'll see you in about 7 years.
Stay safe

 

[Kulindahr]

You people depress the hell out of me.

I mean, if you're going to believe that Jesus doesn't want you to be gay, then you have to wonder why you have homosexual feelings. Perhaps He doesn't want you to be straight, either. Maybe instead of devoting yourself to a family, He wants you to devote yourself to some higher cause. Maybe He meant for you to be celibate, did you ever think of that?

Just because you wish to blame Christ Himself instead of corrupt religious leaders for your conviction that homosexuality is wrong, it's no reason to drag some poor innocent woman into the mess and start making poor innocent children with her. Trust me, there are plenty enough children in the world, we don't need yours. And there are plenty enough women married to closeted homosexuals, just look at Maury Povitch or Jerry Springer for a week... we don't need another one.

A 'heterosexual lifestyle' is not the opposite of a homosexual lifestyle. Complete celibacy is. And the Apostle Paul advocated celibacy, even for straights, so why not model your behavior on his plan?

As others have already said, God knows full well what's in your heart; and to sin in the mind is the same as to sin in the flesh. If you think you're damned for your homosexual actions, then you're also damned for your homosexual desires. Basically, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And you're definitely damned if you lie to your future wife and children while cruising around on a gay message board and spending time watching teenage boys masturbate on a webcam.

Remember this: no one is saved by his works or his lack of sins. We are all sinners and we are all damned, straight, gay, preachers and whores. We are saved by Grace, and we are granted Grace by God, who knows what's in our hearts.

By all means avoid sin, but don't compound your sin by pretending to be something you are not. Peace be with you.

VERY well said!

I've felt closer to God in the last few months, after coming out first to myself and then to others, than for a long, long time.
Did God "make me gay"? I don't think so -- I think it's the result of the human genetic code drifting into variations that weren't there at the start. But He definitely allowed it -- and I have to wonder why.
Some would say it's a "test", but if it is, it's one of the most horrible, cruel, tortuous ones ever devised, involving basic and intense desires hard enough to deal with when "normal", involving emotions and attitudes that run through one's entire self. Others would say it was a choice, but there's far, far too much evidence that 99.99% of the time, it isn't. Some have insisted it's demonic, but I defy anyone to uphold that in the face of the goodly number of good and faithful Christians who have fought it for years, with everything in the Christian arsenal... to no avail.
I do know this: if the man born with no legs can make a life with that, and glorify God with and through it... there is no reason I can see that a man bron with no desire for women can't make a life with that, and glorify God with and through it.

 

[Kulindahr]

I like Jesus but I'm leaning towards Buddhism, not as a religion, but as a philosophy and lifestyle.

I know a Catholic deacon who has no problem being both Catholic and Bhuddist (as a philosophy).
Odd, but it works for him!

 

[blackbeltninja]

Some would say it's a "test", but if it is, it's one of the most horrible, cruel, tortuous ones ever devised, involving basic and intense desires hard enough to deal with when "normal", involving emotions and attitudes that run through one's entire self.

It's the whole "test" thing which puts me off religion in the first place... I just don't get it, I'm afraid.

-d-

 

[zoltanspawn]

Gay3DFan What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

I'd much rather watch webcams than visit the NARTH web site any day

It's an indication that while the op is not participating in their own thread, they are reading along. That's interesting in and of itself. Though it also hints of a conscience which is nice, given that this is a thread about being deceitful.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's the whole "test" thing which puts me off religion in the first place... I just don't get it, I'm afraid.

-d-

That's a word that doesn't translate well from the Greek, I'm afraid -- well, engineers get it... think of a materials test, to see how strong something is, or how pure, or how durable. Another way to look at it is "trial" -- as in time trials in running sports, or similar things.
The point of such things, as C. S. Lewis pointed out (following Athanasius, IIRC), is not to tell God anything, but to teach us about ourselves. I rock climb occasionally, and have a tolerable level of skill, but the only way I ever know how good I really am is to push my limits. It's like my cross-country coach used to say; the point of team trials wasn't to tell him how we stood against each other, but to get us to push ourselves and realize how good we really were... or not.

Given all that: I don't see what the point would be of making someone gay as a "trial"; are we supposed to be strong enough to set aside the most basic human drives and be... what, inhuman?

The concept of tests and trials in spiritual life is valuable; I just don't see how being gay or bi or whatever can be a "test".