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I just need to vent. I don't know where my relationship is going.

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A moment of clarity got me second-guessing my relationship. We don't have anything in common. We're very attracted to each other, in love, and enjoy each other's company but I feel like past that... I... I don't know. On one hand, there's cool stuff I've been exposed to due to the naught-so-obvious common interests: opera, jazz clubs, classic movies, art museums, classical music... On the other hand it's... work.

I've been reading these zodiac compatibility (don't judge me!) things and they're weirding me out. Like I literally get shivers and goosebumps 'cause it's so freakishly accurate. One starts out with, "This couple shares a love of music and art, but hasn't much else in common." Is it mere coincidence everything I listed earlier was art or music? We don't even like the same kind of music though. I have learned to appreciate opera, classical, and jazz, but they're not what I go out of my way to listen to.

Every one I read says compromise is key to making this work. This is probably assuming there isn't a 29 year age gap. Cool, more compromise. He's a taurus and I'm a libra by the way if you're into that hippie mumbo jumbo.

He really is taurus-characteristic: complete rooted in his ways, predictable, logical, formulaic. I, meanwhile, can't make decisions, have my head in the clouds, love surprises, don't plan ahead, am emotional.... I'm fluid and changing all the time to the point of being wishy-washy. He wants stability, and I get bored knowing we're gonna do the same thing we did last night.

I love to share, converse, philosophize, socialize, show affection in public, and to be spontaneous. We don't have much to talk about ideals-wise: he's a older conservative man from the south/southwest, I'm a young liberal time bomb of emotion from seattle. This is okay though, I prefer someone who can be comfortable not having to fill the silence with conversation.

I'm a very curious person and he's a very hermit shell-type person. I dated him for probably 2 years before I met any friends of his. He didn't show me old pictures until well after a year if not more. He still won't tell me anything about his past relationships whether romantic or sexual. Well actually I know a few random things about his last guy.

I learn a ton from him, he's a seasoned mechanical engineer who's traveled to more countries than I have cities. This part is really cool. He almost always knows more about a given subject so I can always ask him about random stuff or random word definitions and he usually knows. He makes great money and can afford to take me places, buy me what I need, financially support me, lend me money... I worry that this security is an influencing trait and it really shouldn't be. Would I be as happy if he couldn't afford to help me out? I hate the idea that I'm using him as a sugar daddy. I just don't know anymore. I know that I love him and he's a great person and a great steady romantic partner, but... is that what I want? Do I want to be with someone who doesn't level with me intellectually?

I almost feel inferior in the relationship. Okay, so he pays for everything especially when I'm unemployed... This is logic - he is in a high-paying profession while I am most the time unemployed or if I'm lucky working for minimum wage. Everything revolves around him, though. We only hang out at his place. I mean yeah there's more to do at his place, so I understand why we'd spend most the time there. He has a nicer place, a better kitchen/stuff in it, whatever. I used to try to see if he wanted to hang out at my place and he's just like "yeah but what would we do?" ...man, what do we do at your house? Watch TV, play video games? I have the internet, we can watch TV over here. I know he appreciates me a LOT, but like... I feel... useless. I don't contribute anything to the relationship. I just leech money from him while hardly looking for a job, racking up my debt with him.

So the sex was a combination of stale and infrequent, so I opened the relationship and I know it's killing him. I have a friend I've had a crush on for a long time and he's always been jealous. I now have sex with this guy. The sex is phenomenal. I'm sure if there was 1 person he'd rather me NOT be doing, it'd be him. It's... ugh, I hate saying this but it's better than with the bf. He's so unadventurous. It started cool, I was learning all sorts of things that turn me on & how to improve my love life. Now I understand that people don't really change, he's had 50 years to be who he is, why would he change now?

I had been trying for a long time to get him to be more dominant - I sometimes see a side of him come out that is dominant in bed but I think he then gets embarrassed or self-conscious. I want him to bite me, and hard enough to really feel it. I want it to hurt! He is "afraid he'll hurt me." He also won't scratch my back any harder than a feather dropping on it because he doesn't want to hurt me. I have explained I have insensitive skin (when I scratch my back I leave red marks everywhere - it doesn't hurt) and it doesn't hurt me. He still won't. He says it feels weird, so okay, whatever. As long as the reason isn't not wanting to hurt me... but what part of bite me really hard during sex does NOT demonstrate that I get off on the pain? He then says it's "not his style." So irritating. Topping is "not my style" and I still have a great time doing that with him because it brings him pleasure and thus, brings me pleasure. I have talked to him about this and I can see an effort but the change is so minimal. I want to stick with it but I'm worried he'll just retract back into his comfort zone.

He doesn't want the open relationship to be long lasting or permanent, and I don't know that I can go back after having a taste of someone so compatible with me. I'm worried this alone is going to lead my relationship to it's downfall. This is the worst because he would literally be perfect for me if I had already had time to mess around, figure out what I like, go get the partying out of my system, and if I was a bit older and focusing on my goals in life.

I love him so much and I just don't want to drag him through the dirt if that's really the way I'm headed. I don't know what I'm doing or planning to do. I do know that I've been disillusioning myself for 3 years into just being this docile cat, compromising and molding myself to make sure I fit his standards. The differences in the relationship are beautiful and create some beautiful things. We have to be creative to stay entertained, and it's cool. We used to play a ton of scrabble but his 29 years on me means his vocabulary whoops on mine. I get frustrated. We picked up chess, which is pretty fun. However, I'm not as patient as I thought. It's like street fighter but... fucking slow as fuck. I want to play speed chess and not think about it - he wants to sit and contemplate and play it smart.

All in all it's really not that bad but my recent epiphany that we have very little in common is hard for me to deal with. We don't have the same ideals, we don't have the same goals, we don't have the same opinions on anything, we just don't click intellectually. I learn a lot from him but sometimes I just want someone who thinks the way I do. I want someone who sees that it's raining (knowing I fucking love the rain) and spontaneously decides that we're going to the beach to make out because no one will be there and it'll be fun. Instead, he takes all his receipts and spends his time entering his weekly data in spreadsheets and making sure nobody's gypped him of precious cents, or stealing his identity. Then it's time to shred every single document in the world that has your name on it. Yes, everyone is after you and your identity. They sift through your garbage to find precious t-mobile bills.

I most of all want someone confident in their own skin. After 3 years I can finally hold his hand in public (if we're in the gay district of seattle) or kiss him when we're departing. I can still feel the awkward tension when I do it though so sometimes I just don't bother. I understand the anxiety as I have a ton of it but I'm making huge strides toward defeating mine while he just sits at home and lets it grow. Yes, hate crimes happen. Yes, you're technically putting yourself at risk by displaying that you are a homo. On the other hand, paranoid fear-based thoughts are the kind of energy that ATTRACT those kinds of people.

I don't know if I should try to hope for change or if I should stop wasting his time and love. I know he's embarrassed of his age difference but it's just sad that I have ONE FRIEND who has ever met him. We've been together for like 3 fucking years. Again, maybe this has to do with the common interests - the things my friends and I do aren't really of interest for him. I know part of this is communication issues. We are both personality types that do not like decision-making (this sure is a fun clash, we can't even decide what to eat for dinner. ever.), nor do we like confrontation, communicating issues, or facing problems head on. We want to ignore them and hope things will work out. Two people like this with issues between them? Destined for unnecessary conflict. So I don't mean to say any of this like it's all him... Hell, tbh it's all me. I'm young and still figuring things out. I feel so fucking bad like I've just been wasting his time or using him.

I feel like a lot of the issues I/we have stem from his lack of confidence/self-esteem. I think this open relationship thing could work for him as well if he were a confident person. He would no longer be jealous/worried. Not to pin it all on him.

I don't know where this stream of consciousness is headed but I'm too tired to continue. He'll be back from his business trip in a week and I don't think I can pretend nothing is wrong. Not sure how to even approach this. *deep breath* Am I ready for the difficulty and compromise required in this relationship?
 
Am I ready for the difficulty and compromise required in this relationship?

Not from what I read.
 
...So the sex was a combination of stale and infrequent, so I opened the relationship and I know it's killing him. I have a friend I've had a crush on for a long time and he's always been jealous. I now have sex with this guy. The sex is phenomenal. I'm sure if there was 1 person he'd rather me NOT be doing, it'd be him. It's... ugh, I hate saying this but it's better than with the bf. He's so unadventurous. It started cool, I was learning all sorts of things that turn me on & how to improve my love life. Now I understand that people don't really change, he's had 50 years to be who he is, why would he change now?

(emphasis mine)

Why is it that people with relationship problems that include sex always think that having an open relationship is going to fix it?

It's not, you don't have an open relationship, you have a relationship where you wanted to sleep with other people and he didn't, but accommodated you anyway. That doesn't sound like you always compromising for him.

...He doesn't want the open relationship to be long lasting or permanent, and I don't know that I can go back after having a taste of someone so compatible with me. I'm worried this alone is going to lead my relationship to it's downfall. This is the worst because he would literally be perfect for me if I had already had time to mess around, figure out what I like, go get the partying out of my system, and if I was a bit older and focusing on my goals in life.

He doesn't want the open relationship period. But he probably thinks that if he doesn't give it to you, you'll leave, so he went along, no matter what that does to him.

If you know sleeping with this guy is hurting him, why do you do it? There are plenty of other guys to fuck out there. But you chose to sleep with the one guy who'll hurt your partner most. I would never fuck a guy if my partner had a problem with him. He always has the absolute right of veto for no reason, for any reason. So if you care about your partner, why are you doing that? Perhaps you're trying to push him into ending it so you don't have to?

...I don't know if I should try to hope for change or if I should stop wasting his time and love. I know he's embarrassed of his age difference but it's just sad that I have ONE FRIEND who has ever met him. We've been together for like 3 fucking years...

You want out, admit it to yourself. You're not in an open relationship, you're in a relationship where he let's you fuck a guy he has a problem with so you won't leave. You want out, you wanted this other guy, you want out, you don't want to go on as you are.

I think this open relationship thing could work for him as well if he were a confident person. He would no longer be jealous/worried. Not to pin it all on him.

You think this open relationship could work for him if he were someone completely different. You want to sleep with other guys, find and dandy, but it is so not acceptable, or mature, to put your partner through all those negative emotions and fears because you don't have the guts to end it.

I'm sorry to be so blunt with you (well, I'm not actually,) but my intent here is to point out that in fact you're the one who wants out and you're stringing him along.

That's not being a stand up guy, that's indecision, and dithering, and not being honest. Tell him what you want, then when he offers to hurt himself for you, DECLINE!
 
He has compromised a lot, too. I guess a 29 year age spread can work, but it seems like both of you are some ways happier with the status quo. You are a living example of the fear generally expressed by age-different couples, namely that the older one is financially used and the younger is sexually dissatisfied.

The biggest question that I have is why haven't you returned to school? It would have seemed like the perfect opportunity given his financial support.

When someone has most of the money, it's easier for them to call most of the shots, regarding the social life of the couple.

In my opinion, if the two of you really want a long term relationship that's based on some type of equality and not on each of you feeling sorry, in some way, for the other, you need to find a LBGT therapist or at least a LBGT friendly one. These are classic relationship issues which are enhanced by the age difference. Good luck.

PS I hope your boyfriend isn't somehow subsidizing your fb by providing you with money that you spend on him.
 
It just smells like 'over' all the way over here.
 
This seems to be the second half of the story because I remember an earlier post that dealt with the same subject matter.

Now that we've gotten the formalities out of the way, I have to say that you've tangled things up even more. From what you've posted, you seem to be in the business of nit-picking every single aspect of your boyfriend's life. You're trying to gain sympathy by painting him as the bad guy in the relationship as a means of justifying your actions. In life, everybody has to be accountable for their own actions and it just seems like you're transfering all the blame to this guy. You're trying to make it look like he's so antiquated and tough to be with. If you can't stand the guy, then why be with him? The answer is blatantly apparent, you like being kept. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You know that you want to be with your hot friend, but you straddle the fence playing both sides. On one hand there's this older guy willing to take care of you financially and on the other there's the guy who gives you a good fuck. It's not fair to both guys involed, but more so your boyfriend, if I can really call him that. You just had to go sleep with the one guy he has a problem with. It shows a blatant disregard for his feelings. Any relationship albeit a friendship, couple etc is a two way street and can never function with the "Me" mentality. You need to leave this older guy alone and go with your fuck buddy. You knew what you were getting into when you started with an older gentleman. He obviously is set in his ways and it works for him. I mean why should he change with someone who isn't willing to be exclusive and put forth the same effort he is.

My advice is that you seem to be one of those people that need to be by themselves, because you obviously have no clue what you want yet. It's not fair to subject others to your indecisiveness. So do the right thing and let the older guy go, so that he can be with someone who appreciates all the he is and all that he brings to the table. If you really love him like you say you do, then do him this one last favour and release him. Maybe then you might appreciate all that you have and stop with the grass is greener mentality.
 
This seems to be the second half of the story because I remember an earlier post that dealt with the same subject matter.

Now that we've gotten the formalities out of the way, I have to say that you've tangled things up even more. From what you've posted, you seem to be in the business of nit-picking every single aspect of your boyfriend's life. You're trying to gain sympathy by painting him as the bad guy in the relationship as a means of justifying your actions. In life, everybody has to be accountable for their own actions and it just seems like you're transfering all the blame to this guy. You're trying to make it look like he's so antiquated and tough to be with. If you can't stand the guy, then why be with him? The answer is blatantly apparent, you like being kept. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You know that you want to be with your hot friend, but you straddle the fence playing both sides. On one hand there's this older guy willing to take care of you financially and on the other there's the guy who gives you a good fuck. It's not fair to both guys involed, but more so your boyfriend, if I can really call him that. You just had to go sleep with the one guy he has a problem with. It shows a blatant disregard for his feelings. Any relationship albeit a friendship, couple etc is a two way street and can never function with the "Me" mentality. You need to leave this older guy alone and go with your fuck buddy. You knew what you were getting into when you started with an older gentleman. He obviously is set in his ways and it works for him. I mean why should he change with someone who isn't willing to be exclusive and put forth the same effort he is.

My advice is that you seem to be one of those people that need to be by themselves, because you obviously have no clue what you want yet. It's not fair to subject others to your indecisiveness. So do the right thing and let the older guy go, so that he can be with someone who appreciates all the he is and all that he brings to the table. If you really love him like you say you do, then do him this one last favour and release him. Maybe then you might appreciate all that you have and stop with the grass is greener mentality. Often time it's all an illusion.
 
You're trying to gain sympathy by painting him as the bad guy in the relationship as a means of justifying your actions.

Nah, not at all. I don't know if I mentioned it (I meant to) but I'm not trying to put all the blame on him (or any, rather). This is my issue. I don't mean to justify anything, why do you think I'm so upset over what I'm doing?

If you can't stand the guy, then why be with him? The answer is blatantly apparent, you like being kept. You want to have your cake and eat it too.
I definitely can stand him, I love his company. You got me on the cake reference though.

You know that you want to be with your hot friend, but you straddle the fence playing both sides. On one hand there's this older guy willing to take care of you financially and on the other there's the guy who gives you a good fuck. It's not fair to both guys involed, but more so your boyfriend, if I can really call him that.
Not that it matters but the other guy is anything but being treated unfairly. He doesn't want a relationship, we're just attracted to each other and he gets a good lay out of it. Hardly bad on his part. (Again, not that this justifies it. Prob just makes it worse.)

You just had to go sleep with the one guy he has a problem with. It shows a blatant disregard for his feelings. Any relationship albeit a friendship, couple etc is a two way street and can never function with the "Me" mentality.
Tell me about it. I sometimes feel like I don't have any influence on the relationship so maybe this is me lashing out after compromising myself (no one's fault but my own) for several years to try to make sure he liked me.

You need to leave this older guy alone and go with your fuck buddy. You knew what you were getting into when you started with an older gentleman.
I really didn't. I wish I did. I was barely 18 and quite desperate for the affection/approval.

Why is it that people with relationship problems that include sex always think that having an open relationship is going to fix it?
Well, it was like this. I'm good friends with the other fuckbuddy and it came to the point where the attraction was very apparent and I was close to cheating on the bf. I'm usually an honorable person (don't judge me :() and just the IDEA of cheating on him coming into my head lead to me having a talk with him where I presented an ultimatum. We either break up or open the relationship because he deserves more respect than that. We broke up for about 4 days before he couldn't really take it anymore and we hung out again, and talked, and decided to try the open relationship.

If you know sleeping with this guy is hurting him, why do you do it? There are plenty of other guys to fuck out there.

That's a good question. I guess because I'm learning more about myself sexually each time I'm with him. It's not right to hurt my bf, I know. I guess it's just that he won't adventure sexually so I wanted to try it with someone who would. Now I understand I like adventure. Deep down I think he'd rather me have relations with someone I know and trust, not some random trashy internet hookup. When we had the chat about it his concern is if I would (exaggeration ahoy) go out and get a line out the door while I lie in a sling and let guys go to town, or rather hook up with someone here and there. Again, I'm not trying to justify going against my partners wants/needs, but that was the concern expressed.

Appreciate the harshness I guess. I'm gonna figure this out and change something when he gets back.

Couples counseling, huh? Hm.
 
I have a simple answer for you: it's time to go.

It's clear to me and everyone who reads this post that you want out but you like being the cute kept boy. This may sound harsh but I'm not sure if you really love him or what he can and will do for you. You said that you were 18 when you met and needed the affection and stability. He was this older, stable, much more mature man that you needed at the time. And I understand the need for that but I don't think you were ready to become partners (I think that's clear).

I've always said that relationships with such a great age difference will never, ever work. And I think it's clear to see why: you two are at different places in your life. He wants a husband and you want a fuckbuddy; to be able to sew your wild oats. And that's not a bad thing. You are young and you need to live your life.

But he's way past that point. If I were you, I'd leave and live the young life. Go out. Have fun. Drink, party and fuck whoever you want (but keep it safe!!). But staying around is just going to make everyone involved miserable.
 
>>>I've been reading these zodiac compatibility (don't judge me!) things and they're weirding me out. Like I literally get shivers and goosebumps 'cause it's so freakishly accurate.

I've had three people "run my astrological chart". I lied to all three and gave them all different dates of birth. It's stunning how much I'm a Taurus when I tell them I was born in the sign of Taurus. And how I couldn't be any more like a Libra if I tell them I'm a Libra. And of course, I'm a perfect Sagittarius when I'm born in early December.

But I'm a Capricorn, so there you go.

>>>We worked it out. I'm a dork. I need to communicate my issues rather than hold them in my head and let them simmer the point of insanity.

You may have stopped the leak. Have you addressed the root problem?

Lex
 
>>>I've been reading these zodiac compatibility (don't judge me!) things and they're weirding me out. Like I literally get shivers and goosebumps 'cause it's so freakishly accurate.

I've had three people "run my astrological chart". I lied to all three and gave them all different dates of birth. It's stunning how much I'm a Taurus when I tell them I was born in the sign of Taurus. And how I couldn't be any more like a Libra if I tell them I'm a Libra. And of course, I'm a perfect Sagittarius when I'm born in early December.

But I'm a Capricorn, so there you go.
I know a lot of it is self-fulfilling and generic but I swear our signs match too well. And the taurus-libra relationship descriptions are freakishly spot-on. I dunno.

You may have stopped the leak. Have you addressed the root problem?

Lex
To the best of my knowledge, yes. Rather than communicating any of my issues I just let them boil in my head and make all these ridiculous assumptions. He was very understanding and mature about it. We decided if it gets bad or we decide we can't take the compromise or for whatever reason we don't want the same things anymore then we'll just end it and it doesn't have to be any more difficult than a breakup already is.

I forget he's not a over-reactant drama queen like yours truly. Logic to the end. It's admirable. I can't wait to get older. I've already got the body (internally) of an old man I might as well have the wisdom to go with it.
 
First off, I would say you need to calm down and meditate. You need to take a decaff pill lol.

Take a few breaths and relax. What is with you city dwellers anyway.
 
Also I agree, you do sound to be rather spoiled and whiny and like everything is about you. And like a lot of people that are from the city, you do sound to be awfully nit-picky. It's frankly annoying.

Learn to show compassion for others, relationships are about a give and take. Also this may sound kind of mean, but you do seem to be suffering from narcissistic personality disorder like many gay men. Stop playing with people's hearts. The world isn't your oyster. I mean I just want you to step back and make you realize the real issue here, this is all about how you're treating other people. You know?

The emotion you don't like feeling is guilt. Guilt and empathy are a gay man's saving grace. Not 'pride.' You can feel some pride after you feel the right amount of guilt and empathy. Hehe I kinda love it. You're learning to be a human. Embrace the guilt and the pain....and turn off your mind from ranting to protect your feelings.
 
Also I agree, you do sound to be rather spoiled and whiny and like everything is about you. And like a lot of people that are from the city, you do sound to be awfully nit-picky. It's frankly annoying.

Learn to show compassion for others, relationships are about a give and take. Also this may sound kind of mean, but you do seem to be suffering from narcissistic personality disorder like many gay men. Stop playing with people's hearts. The world isn't your oyster. I mean I just want you to step back and make you realize the real issue here, this is all about how you're treating other people. You know?

The emotion you don't like feeling is guilt. Guilt and empathy are a gay man's saving grace. Not 'pride.' You can feel some pride after you feel the right amount of guilt and empathy. Hehe I kinda love it. You're learning to be a human. Embrace the guilt and the pain....and turn off your mind from ranting to protect your feelings.

You're frankly annoying. Sorry for assuming that relationships I'm involved in have anything to do with me. I'll try to be more like the glorious country dwelling folk. Thanks for the armchair psychology. Playing with people's hearts? I wouldn't think this deeply about anything if I were just playing with anyone's heart. Embrace guilt? No thanks. I'd rather get to the core of the issue. If you wanna live your live swimming in negative emotion, by all means, do so. Take your nonhelpful high horse attitude elsewhere, though. Please.
 
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