I know I shouldn't be, but I'm now genuinely scared of a Trump presidency

[Telstra]

It isn't naivety....he agrees with Trump and everything he stands for....and this poster is very much anti gay people....he has said so on this board. I believe he refers to us as faggots. He is the perfect Trump supporter....not naive......

When Trump does what he is gonna do...I think it would be a good idea to not excuse them when they try to excuse themselves and pretend they weren't part of it.

Don't worry,
his sins are bigger ... wife cheater and sucking cocks ... etc are big sins and self shamed ...

 

[gsdx]

^ you still don't get it.
He trash talk saying all foreigners ARE refugees.

Which is exactly what I said. I get it. He doesn't.

Foreigners can be either refugees or immigrants. Ben is saying that refugees and immigrants are the same thing. They are not.

 

[Kulindahr]

If only we could. We could eliminate Obama's 9 trillion of new debt. Alas we cannot without doing great damage. So, we are going to have to struggle for generations to avoid a currency collapse.

There's a different way: establish a Bank of the U.S., mint thirty trillion-dollar platinum coins and deposit them, and use the funds to slowly but steadily buy back all the debt, starting with foreign-owned debt. But it would have to be coupled with a rational tax hike to start paying off the debt anyway.

 

[Kulindahr]

Indeed. It was down for over 2 hours. It began around 11:00 PM.

Canada: Proudly accepting American refugees for over 200 years.

So with Trump in, will Canada extend refugee status to poor Americans?

 

[Kulindahr]

I think more Canadian refugees have come to the US than the reverse.

Only if you count Canadians crossing the border for medical procedures they'd have to wait too long for at home.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ That is true.

I'm gonna start renting out rooms if ya'll are interested.

I'll be interested when Canada follows Oregon and rules that public nudity falls under freedom of expression.

Oh -- and also when it has hundreds of kilometers of beaches warm enough to go in the buff at least six months out of the year.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is not a chicken little moment. Trump is neither a staunch Christian nor Muslim. He is a born and raised New Yorker and a Republican like no other. LGBT rights are going nowhere, gay marriage is going nowhere, and legal immigrants are going nowhere. The sun will still rise tomorrow and our lives will go on. You cannot turn back time, too many have come out. You cannot stop love. Just keep calm and carry on.

I love the double meaning in the text I bolded! So long as Trump is in office, those matters are stuck where they are.

 

[Kulindahr]

You couldn't be more wrong, they have already stated (him and Pence) their plans against LGBTQ people. Considering that Trump wants to undo pretty much all Obamas executive orders, which is a lot of LGBTQ stuff, we are pretty fucked.

You are absolutely fucking naive if you think nothing will happen to us under his reign.

Rights and executive orders are two different things -- anything resulting from a executive order is a privilege, and a flimsy one at that.

But I suspect that Trump will tread more carefully than he talked. If his people paid attention at all to the commentary on the election from George Stephanopolos and crew, they'll be aware that he got a lot of votes from people very interested in individual freedoms, and acting against any of those will dim any prospects of a second term (indeed, to have any hope of a second term he's going to have to act contrary to a lot of Tea Party desires, which would make things in DC interesting).

 

[Kulindahr]

Which is exactly what I said. I get it. He doesn't.

Foreigners can be either refugees or immigrants. Ben is saying that refugees and immigrants are the same thing. They are not.

Technically speaking, refugees (who go to another country) are a subset of immigrants, so while all refugees are immigrants not all immigrants are refugees.

 

[swerve]

I'm gonna start renting out rooms if ya'll are interested.

That would be SO MUCH FUN!!!

 

[HoodedRat]

Refugees are NOT immigrants.

The fact that many people are totally unable to understand this concept is why the UK is struggling to deal with the recent influx.

Most of the people coming here seem to be economic migrants; they want to be here for better prospects. Fair enough, but they should be treated just the same as any other person who wants to make a life here instead of allowing them to play the 'refugee-card' for preferential treatment.

But, they are mostly fit young men; there appears to be an almost total absence of women, children, and elderly which would be expected of people fleeing a country through lack of choice. We seem to have very few genuine refugees coming in recently and those that do have travelled through safe countries to get here. They could have/should have claimed asylum there first.

 

[Telstra]

The fact that many people are totally unable to understand this concept is why the UK is struggling to deal with the recent influx.

Most of the people coming here seem to be economic migrants; they want to be here for better prospects. Fair enough, but they should be treated just the same as any other person who wants to make a life here instead of allowing them to play the 'refugee-card' for preferential treatment.

But, they are mostly fit young men; there appears to be an almost total absence of women, children, and elderly which would be expected of people fleeing a country through lack of choice. We seem to have very few genuine refugees coming in recently and those that do have travelled through safe countries to get here. They could have/should have claimed asylum there first.

Why don't the country play smart and put them to work ?

 

[Stardreamer]

If only we could. We could eliminate Obama's 9 trillion of new debt. Alas we cannot without doing great damage. So, we are going to have to struggle for generations to avoid a currency collapse.

Considering economic analysis of Trump's tax plans show he going to add another 5+ trillion to it, I don't think thats going to be very likely.

 

[Kulindahr]

Considering economic analysis of Trump's tax plans show he going to add another 5+ trillion to it, I don't think thats going to be very likely.

You would think a businessman, especially of the bloodsucking capitalist type, would recognize that budgets have to be balanced and that means increasing revenues, not decreasing them. When corporations have captive customers, they charge everything they can get away with; taxpayers are most definitely captive, so why wouldn't a businessman do the same for the sake of the country?

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Why don't the country play smart and put them to work ?

Veeeeery good point...

 

[Kulindahr]

Why don't the country play smart and put them to work ?

Veeeeery good point...

How would that address the fact that many if not most of them want to follow their own rules ad ignore the country they've settled in?

 

[gsdx]

Technically speaking, refugees (who go to another country) are a subset of immigrants, so while all refugees are immigrants not all immigrants are refugees.

Refugees aren't automatically immigrants. Think of 'boat people'. They're sailing with the hope that the country they go ashore in will let them stay. Unless you're an invited refugee, you're taking a big chance, and immigration is far from assured.

 

[Kabluey]

Refugees aren't automatically immigrants. Think of 'boat people'. They're sailing with the hope that the country they go ashore in will let them stay. Unless you're an invited refugee, you're taking a big chance, and immigration is far from assured.

Refugees are seeking asylum as essentially stateless people. They need to prove their safety is at risk in their homeland or that their homeland effectively has ceased to exist.

The vast majority of refugees do seek refuge in adjacent countries.
Forcing them to only receive refuge in adjacent countries (the distant xenophobe's solution) places undue economic and social pressure on those countries, which as we've seen in the Middle East, can increase regional instabilities and cultural tensions.

 

[Kulindahr]

Refugees aren't automatically immigrants. Think of 'boat people'. They're sailing with the hope that the country they go ashore in will let them stay. Unless you're an invited refugee, you're taking a big chance, and immigration is far from assured.

That's why I specified "who go to another country". Of course if they fail to get to another country they're not immigrants (I think my favorite example of that is how the better part of a million Jews who saw what was coming with Hitler tried to get into the United States but weren't allowed).

 

[mbamike]

I'm scared too. I don't like the cold, so moving to Canada is out for me. I love Mexican food, but the crime in Mexico is terrible. What is a gay to do?