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I know I shouldn't be, but I'm now genuinely scared of a Trump presidency

And wouldn't you know it they betray their very own community or vote Democratic, just like the straight ones.

Believe it or not, there are some gays who don't base their entire existence on their sexualities. Many have mouths to feed, a job to worry about, health issues that need funding, and want a safe neighbourhood to live in. There are many issues that affect a life that are found outside of "their very own community." It's called society.
 
Believe it or not, there are some gays who don't base their entire existence on their sexualities. Many have mouths to feed, a job to worry about, health issues that need funding, and want a safe neighbourhood to live in. There are many issues that affect a life that are found outside of "their very own community." It's called society.

And Trump addresses those other concerns how?
Apart from good sounding b.s.?

Given there's an increased risk of hate crimes under a government which condones discrimination, each of the everyday activities you mention are negatively affected, unless you're deep in a closet somewhere, furtively wanking over strangers in changing rooms or something.
 
Not at all -- I'm just applying logic to your statements. The problem is you want your subjective opinion to be counted as logic.

You'd have a point if someone were advocating rounding up gays and sending us all to concentration camps, but no one is.

No, you don't know how to read actually. In the very post you claim that I would vote for someone against LGBTQ rights is me quoted saying it is my top priority before anything else, after that it is not the only thing I consider. I would never support someone who would discriminate against any group of people, whether it be LGBTQ people or women, muslims, black people, etc. This is the last time I am going to explain it even though I explained it at least twice before this, it's kind of hard to have a conversation with someone who needs it repeated to them multiple times to understand something clearly stated.

And Trump addresses those other concerns how?
Apart from good sounding b.s.?

Given there's an increased risk of hate crimes under a government which condones discrimination, each of the everyday activities you mention are negatively affected, unless you're deep in a closet somewhere, furtively wanking over strangers in changing rooms or something.

Seriously.

If people really believe these other issues don't also get affected by discrimination, they are delusional. Also I have seen it across the board not to worry because he doesn't have absolute power, yes he doesn't, but he has both houses and he is going to appoint people who will work with him to do what he wants. So people need to understand this before assuming that people think he's the only one running the show.

People aren't just afraid of what happens in the White House with him, they were afraid with all the stuff that was going to happen across America. All the actual racists, homophobes, sexist, xenophobes that voted for him now feel completely validated because someone who spewed the same hatred became the most important figure in our Country. It is open season for them, thanks to them and to the people who didn't actually think about their vote for him.

No one believed any one when they said this stuff was going to start happening and it is, now they don't believe he won't don't anything to any of these groups of people. It would absolutely be fantastic if he didn't, but that is highly unlikely and I hope the people that are saying this aren't shocked or don't keep trying to play it down when it does happen.
 
As Stephen Colbert noted, everyone that Trump is putting in positions of power is what you'd expect to find at the bottom of the swamp once it is drained.
 
You guys haven't learned a thing have you? Your arrogant supercilious contempt for assimilated Americans unifies them against you. Good.

Contempt for anti-gay bigots? Now where would that come from I wonder?
 
Well Benvolio, ...just because the trash you helped elect to the presidency won the Electoral college does not validate your position.

You have no intellectual high ground here.

But it isn't surprising to see you fully backing the kind of ugly establishment bullies and hucksters that Trump is attracting.
 
I also expect an influx of Americans coming to Canada to escape Trump. Don't disappoint me this time! I'm still waiting for the Americans who threatened to move to Canada when Obama was elected 8 years ago. Don't just make idle crybabyish threats like usual!
I've tried, I've tried, I've tried...

There are only two options to moving to Canada:
Bring as much as possible in, and work for the rest of my life, until I drop dead. I'm unwilling to do that. (The nature of my work very commonly involves carrying around boxes which weigh around 10kg, and that would be impossible if I'm ever disabled in any real way. That would be a horrible time to be kicked out of Canada because I can no longer work.)

or..."buy my way in" with massive entrance fees to get a permanent residency visa. I have certain limits involving climate and such; I hate snow, and long winters shred my skin into bloody pieces of meat, basically. Ontario requires a $3 MILLION "deposit" to move in. I remember BC was some similarly incredible amount. I could deal with Ontario and I'd do it in a heartbeat (even if Clinton had won), but that kind of money is utterly impossible. AB, SK, MB, QC, NL, PE, NB, NS would give me a CRUEL and miserable winter climate. I thought that Saint John NB (in a province that has an entrance bounty that I actually CAN deal with) might work, and I found that I think I can like the place, but the climate is still bad enough that I would be entirely miserable with it. Climate is considerably worse than where I live now, which already tests my limits. That also puts me 300 or more miles from ANY AND ALL friends and family that I have ever had in my entire lifetime - and a border crossing away, as well, from far more than 90%.

I don't remember whether NB was $100K or $300K entrance fee (and I'm trying to talk to the immigration attorney again...but it's impossible, they're probably getting SLAMMED by inquiries), but even if it's a "mere" $100K, it will cost me around one-half million to go there, even before any housing costs. I estimate I would lose $300,000 or more simply by being forced to sell so much of my inventory as immediately as possible (so that I don't have to move 22 to 25 tons of stuff in, which would result in truly massive Customs duty), because bulk buyers only give pennies on the dollar and I need to sell bulk for 5% to 7% of what I could get, at the most. The five or six tons I would still make sure I have left over, very likely I could be hit for as much as $50,000 on Customs duties. Having to get rid of bulk quickly (so that I don't wait until 2020 or 2021 to move in, which would be pointless) would cost me that massively because it would need to be done so quickly.

I would also need to move my retirement annuity to Canada, and there's a 7% early surrender fee on it (at least for this year, it decreases over time). That's another five-figure amount that I lose.

Furthermore, there are some hints that I may be heading toward the first loving, long-term relationship ever in my lifetime. It would be a relationship without sex. (Meh...sex is a very trivial part of my life, and I have no trouble with that sacrifice.) Why no sex? Because he is HIV+. And, moving to Canada, OF COURSE he would lose his American insurance (which he told me came out of the Ryan White Act)...so he would be the "health care refugee" that Canada fears. Furthermore, he has a DUI conviction in summer 2014 - which is "only" a high misdemeanor in Indiana, but a FELONY in Canada. Therefore, a move to Canada would be entirely fatal to any hopes of preserving any relationship which may happen (or not). NO WAY would he be let in. Even if these factors weren't there, I would need to pay HIS way in, and that would be ANOTHER $100K or $300K or whatever it is.

My passport expires in 2023, and I fear that, no longer being a USA resident, nor a CITIZEN of Canada, there may be no possible way to renew it. I haven't studied that aspect, but it's frightening.

Bailing out of a possible relationship, losing at least half a million dollars and possibly even close to 3/4 million, and living in a brutal and utterly unacceptable climate (because the "good climates have been taken" by higher immigrant demand and, therefore, unthinkable entrance fees), and being that far from everything that I have ever loved...and possibly even never again being able to travel out of Canada after 2023...

I CAN'T DO IT.

Shit.

I would still do it, if it was GUARANTEED that **all** of the Fifty States will degenerate into the Fourth Reich, but it is not a guarantee at all. Instead, I'm looking at some places - a couple states in particular which are likely not in danger of electing entire Republican-controlled delegations to sit in their legislatures - New Jersey and Rhode Island. 100% of those awful anti-gay laws and bathroom laws, etc. are invarialbly passed by Republican legislatures and signed by Republican governors. I've found probable affordable target locations in both states which are probably acceptably nice and diverse, but still AFFORDABLE. That wouldn't normally be a major concern but, in my case where I have a requirement for truly massive amounts of space, the $1 million six-room condos in most of the "cool" places are out of reach. Oh, if I could just fit into the ordinary three rooms, MANY more options would be open like in California, Oregon, Chicago, etc.

So, that's where I'm at. The "relationship thing" was the straw that broke its back.

I ALSO HAVE TO THINK: "So let's say I live in Canada, then." I would be visiting the United States OFTEN. Somehow I get arrested, perhaps I'm smoking pot with people in the "wrong state" or something and there's a bust. Would I then be barred from ever again entering Canada for any reason, and all my "stuff" and everything I've ever moved there ends up being forfeited?

Damn it. I'm safer in the States.

I have decided, though, that - the fact I have never made final burial or final disposal arrangements - I may try to have my remains end up in Canada. Very possibly my epitaph would say something like "I always wished, from childhood, that I was Canadian. Well, here I am!"
 
^ Regarding the "I ALSO HAVE TO THINK..." paragraph - I KNOW somebody who that happened to; the two of them were moving to Canada to settle for the rest of their lives. Bought a house and all. They were there for a while, too. I don't remember if one of the partners got a DUI or what it was, but because he was then EJECTED and unconditionally barred from even VISITING Canada ever again, it turned that nice house into a lifeless shell for the other guy...and he had no choice but to sell it "remotely" at a great loss.


They are back together in the United States (and I visited them not all that long ago...)
 
There are actually three options moving to Canada - the third is to get married to a Canadian. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, because I have been told that they very diligently review any such marriages to assure that it is not done merely as a scam to get an American into the country easily. None of that "Russian mail-order bride" stuff is allowed there. (Is it even allowed here anymore?)
 
I don’t remember that.

It sort of got buried, partly by twisting it to make it sound like what she was supporting was a "buy back" like the voluntary ones various groups and municipalities have held. But believe me, the pro-gun folks caught it, and that may have been a factor in the vote.
 
Hillary is on record during the campaign supporting confiscation.

I don’t remember that.

It sort of got buried, partly by twisting it to make it sound like what she was supporting was a "buy back" like the voluntary ones various groups and municipalities have held. But believe me, the pro-gun folks caught it, and that may have been a factor in the vote.

I have no doubt that what the pro-guns folks “caught” was a factor; however, I disagree with the underlying conclusion.


 
For those that want to continually downplay Trump as if he is what people are really scared of when it comes to LGBTQ rights.

The Mike Pence (Donald Trump) Assault On LGBTQ Equality Is Already Underway - The Huffington Post - US
https://apple.news/AeFtDmS0EQMm0u61TmeyPPg

As if anyone actually paying attention needed this reminder though.
 
Unsurprised.

Expect The first day of a Trump Presidency to include undoing all Obama Executive Orders as well as issuing Executive Orders on Religious 'Liberty'.

Americans own this shit now.

And protests won't do anything but make the Trump cabal retreat to their bunker and become more belligerent.
 
Its time to dig up their sexual fantasies.
Especially Mike the penny and Ben the psycho brain Surgeon.
 
For those that want to continually downplay Trump as if he is what people are really scared of when it comes to LGBTQ rights.

The Mike Pence (Donald Trump) Assault On LGBTQ Equality Is Already Underway - The Huffington Post - US
https://apple.news/AeFtDmS0EQMm0u61TmeyPPg

As if anyone actually paying attention needed this reminder though.

And he just announced he is fine with the Supreme Court ruling's on Gay Marriage and isn't touching it. All this hooplah from butt-hurt Clinton supporters on this particular topic over nothing.
 
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