i need white people's perspective on this

[fabulouslyghetto]

it has mostly (completely?) flown under JUB's radar that this year marks the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, last night the BET (black entertainment television) awards aired and I can't seem to agree with any of my fellow afro-americans on the status of our culture and progress.

the BET awards was, to me, a highlight of everything that we've done wrong, our reversal of all the hard work and freedoms our ancestors bled (literally and figuratively) for. in typical hypocritical fashion, there were countless references and thanks to God wedged in between raunchy hip hop songs and vulgar performances celebrating violence, misogyny and overall coonery.

i say, if our (black americans) forefathers could've seen the state of mainstream black culture today they might not have subjected themselves to fire hoses and police dogs and brutal attacks to fight for freedoms that have largely been squandered by a culture that is overly self-destructive and hypersexual.

then i'm told by my peers that i'm just a hater, that i should celebrate the fact that blacks even have a television channel considering it was less than a century ago that black activists would be blocked out on television stations.

where is the disconnect? what am i not seeing that everyone else is, or vice versa?

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

white" apes no betta figa owns annivasarys or any mix a skin color wot pass a migrant radar scan
_but history rightas keep pen best sellas_
" actor fa best teapot go ta"

anyway

vary easy of figa

thankyou

 

[Sausy]

I do think Martin Luther King would be horrified if he could be just brought back for one day... not that he was so perfect as to know what his responsibilities and priorities as a grown man was. He would be pained at the social conditions in poor minority neighborhoods.... obviously discrimination and racism has played a great role but while it's true there has been a breakdown all across the board into the white community as well the proportionate number of black children from single family households is very alarming and depressing. Not saying everyone has to or should get married to have kids, but the more families born in a one parent family household makes it very difficult to raise kids who don't fall into the lure of drugs, gangs, alcoholism, trouble in general. As the breakdown of other important social outlets such as extended families, strong neighborhoods ad communities. You don't need a church or religion to make people do what's right but you need strong personal roots and communities.

Having a television channel is great but in itself hardly the be all and end all... in the entertainment industry though there have been plenty of African Americans in the performing arts who have conducted themselves with great character and distinction. Today's hoochie coochie mamas and pimp strutting daddies whether they know it or not are just one step removed from whites playing blacks in face paint in minstrel shows. And it's not just black culture, white culture isn't that much better to be sure... but black families are much more proportionally affected by a breakdown. The thanks to God is a hoot when the rampant celebration of materialism, ego, and misogynistic tendencies compose the vast majority of what's being seen and promoted. African Americans have much to be proud of in inspiring and developing a whole range of music forms... gospel, blues, jazz, soul, early rock n' roll rhythm and blues, even some hip hop but what's celebrated and promoted today would definite make a man of peace but intense inner strength, dignity and resolve such as Martin Luther King angry enough to really lose it as well as so many men and women who worked to fight for the equal rights of African Americans.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

i say, if our (black americans) forefathers could've seen the state of mainstream black culture today they might not have subjected themselves to fire hoses and police dogs and brutal attacks to fight for freedoms that have largely been squandered by a culture that is overly self-destructive and hypersexual.

...said the homosexual.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

...said the homosexual.

That's another monster in and of itself, but off-topic ma'dear.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I do think Martin Luther King would be horrified if he could be just brought back for one day... not that he was so perfect as to know what his responsibilities and priorities as a grown man was. He would be pained at the social conditions in poor minority neighborhoods.... obviously discrimination and racism has played a great role but while it's true there has been a breakdown all across the board into the white community as well the proportionate number of black children from single family households is very alarming and depressing. Not saying everyone has to or should get married to have kids, but the more families born in a one parent family household makes it very difficult to raise kids who don't fall into the lure of drugs, gangs, alcoholism, trouble in general. As the breakdown of other important social outlets such as extended families, strong neighborhoods ad communities. You don't need a church or religion to make people do what's right but you need strong personal roots and communities.

Having a television channel is great but in itself hardly the be all and end all... in the entertainment industry though there have been plenty of African Americans in the performing arts who have conducted themselves with great character and distinction. Today's hoochie coochie mamas and pimp strutting daddies whether they know it or not are just one step removed from whites playing blacks in face paint in minstrel shows. And it's not just black culture, white culture isn't that much better to be sure... but black families are much more proportionally affected by a breakdown. The thanks to God is a hoot when the rampant celebration of materialism, ego, and misogynistic tendencies compose the vast majority of what's being seen and promoted. African Americans have much to be proud of in inspiring and developing a whole range of music forms... gospel, blues, jazz, soul, early rock n' roll rhythm and blues, even some hip hop but what's celebrated and promoted today would definite make a man of peace but intense inner strength, dignity and resolve such as Martin Luther King angry enough to really lose it as well as so many men and women who worked to fight for the equal rights of African Americans.

this is a clip from a cartoon, in this particular episode MLK has come back to life in our time and here's a speech he gives at a rally NSFW for language

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

JUB is as far removed from afro-american culture as it gets, i was hoping as outsiders you guys might offer an objective perspective

 

[zombiekiller]

it has mostly (completely?) flown under JUB's radar that this year marks the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, last night the BET (black entertainment television) awards aired and I can't seem to agree with any of my fellow afro-americans on the status of our culture and progress.

the BET awards was, to me, a highlight of everything that we've done wrong, our reversal of all the hard work and freedoms our ancestors bled (literally and figuratively) for. in typical hypocritical fashion, there were countless references and thanks to God wedged in between raunchy hip hop songs and vulgar performances celebrating violence, misogyny and overall coonery.

i say, if our (black americans) forefathers could've seen the state of mainstream black culture today they might not have subjected themselves to fire hoses and police dogs and brutal attacks to fight for freedoms that have largely been squandered by a culture that is overly self-destructive and hypersexual.

then i'm told by my peers that i'm just a hater, that i should celebrate the fact that blacks even have a television channel considering it was less than a century ago that black activists would be blocked out on television stations.

where is the disconnect? what am i not seeing that everyone else is, or vice versa?

Just curious. Does the black community at large know that about 70% of births by black women last year were out of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid?

Added by edit.

I don't think you'll see too many objective responses here. The politically correct rule this forum, and it trumps the truth.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

i say, if our (black americans) forefathers could've seen the state of mainstream black culture today they might not have subjected themselves to fire hoses and police dogs and brutal attacks to fight for freedoms that have largely been squandered by a culture that is overly self-destructive and hypersexual.

I would like to think regardless of their view on the culture of today, negative or not black americans felt they or anyone shouldn't be treated the way they were treated for any reason. And I would like to think that the black americans going through what they went through to get freedom should not only be a message to their own culture but any other groups of people who are mistreated because of color of skin, orientation, etc. Whether the people who fought for these freedoms thought of groups outside of their own or not, I cannot say but it is still something I think should be very important to remember regardless whatever culture you are a part of.

It is just unfortunate that there are people who are either very ignorant about their history or just in general do not care or respect what has been done for people to get to where they are today. And unfortunately there isn't much you can do about that if people aren't willing to listen or learn.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

JUB is as far removed from afro-american culture as it gets, i was hoping as outsiders you guys might offer an objective perspective

oops

anyway

sure ya figa it out

tinkyou

hapry porn day

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Just curious. Does the black community at large know that about 70% of births by black women last year were out of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid?

Added by edit.

I don't think you'll see too many objective responses here. The politically correct rule this forum, and it trumps the truth.

By "PC" do you mean people that would give you shit for asking a question like that? One that doesn't have anything to do with what has been asked in the OP?

 

[zoltanspawn]

Black people have no monopoly on coonery.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Black people have no monopoly on coonery.

by no means, black culture is the topic at hand for contextual purposes, it isn't the 50th anniversary of the Irish Rights Act

 

[dachsieboy2000]

...said the homosexual.

Let's not be quite so dismissive of black or gay culture. As a white youth growing up in Florida during the days of segregation, I was horrified by it and watched with dismay as the battle for integration went on. Can I answer your question, Karen? No. I have never understood where things went off the rails and it is likely there is no definitive answer. Much of it is media consistently celebrating the worst in society at every level, but that in itself is only a part. I personally feel that the majority of people regardless of race or orientation are good, decent human beings and share the same concerns about society in general. In the end, I try to believe that people take pride in who they are, not what they are. Small comfort in an increasingly bizarre world, but comfort none the less.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I would like to think regardless of their view on the culture of today, negative or not black americans felt they or anyone shouldn't be treated the way they were treated for any reason. And I would like to think that the black americans going through what they went through to get freedom should not only be a message to their own culture but any other groups of people who are mistreated because of color of skin, orientation, etc. Whether the people who fought for these freedoms thought of groups outside of their own or not, I cannot say but it is still something I think should be very important to remember regardless whatever culture you are a part of.

It is just unfortunate that there are people who are either very ignorant about their history or just in general do not care or respect what has been done for people to get to where they are today. And unfortunately there isn't much you can do about that if people aren't willing to listen or learn.

The public education system is part of the perpetuation of this ignorance, if I went solely by what was taught to me in school, slavery was hardly a blip on American history's radar, just a few years where people were a little mean to black people. That's what I would think if I didn't know better and study outside of school.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

harda mine out crap out a "worlds" <round thang>so call cultures ten diamondswot easy fa disneys

thankyou

 

[nycguydowntown]

I think American society and it's values was the perfect breeding ground for all this---and a lot of it we have exported around the world because it is "cool" , especially if the education system failed you--- to be self-destructive and hypersexual as you say, and thus not being taken seriously by society. Because where you go to school can make a big difference. My best friend has two brothers, one stayed in bad section of Brooklyn and his kids all talk "gangster hip hop" dialect--and have lot's of attitude--his brother moved to the suburbs and his kids talk like white kids, lol, they are all brown skinned Latinos. It is what it is. It's a never ending process that takes two steps forward and three steps back---But on a lighter side---am a big fan of Aaron McGruder and been crushing on him for a long time, such a hot guy lol

 

[zoltanspawn]

by no means, black culture is the topic at hand for contextual purposes, it isn't the 50th anniversary of the Irish Rights Act

If everybody is shitty and your pride isn't getting the better of you, then each community deserves such a thread. On St. Patrick's Day we should therefore have a similar one berating the Irish.

Maybe I'm just lazy and prefer an all-purpose 'everybody is shitty' approach because the work of starting daily commemorations is too much effort.

 

[zombiekiller]

By "PC" do you mean people that would give you shit for asking a question like that? One that doesn't have anything to do with what has been asked in the OP?

Actually, it does. A lot of things contribute to the problems the OP pointed out and asked about. The lack of care and responsibility many in the black community exhibit seems to me to be a major cause. Misogyny is prevalent because black women allow it. Again, 70% of births in the black community were given put of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid. Don't try to pretend it's got nothing to do with the prevalent attitude in the black subculture today.

The first step to solving any kind of problem is to recognize it, not try to bury it in a sea of political correctness. The vulgarity we see in black entertainment is there because... ding ding ding most black people like to watch that shit. It reinforces the belief among black people that misogyny is normal, that they can have unprotected sex all they want and not take responsibility when babies pop out, that the black woman attitude somehow makes it ok for black women to be loud and rude to the rest of us in a crowded setting, etc.

Be all PC all you want. Nothing will get solved if you refuse to see how everything that is wrong with the current black subculture is interconnected. When 70% of all births in your community are given outside of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid, then there is something seriously wrong with the cultural attitude of your people.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

-But on a lighter side---am a big fan of Aaron McGruder and been crushing on him for a long time, such a hot guy lol

Then, bad news, he's dropped out of Boondocks, the new season thus far that I've seen (only the Kardashian episode) is ok but time will tell if it's still as poignant.