Yes, yes. You get it.
The majority of nice people probably aren't good people.
Most good people behave nicely, without even knowing they are.
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I really don't like nice people..
- Thread starter NineOfClubs
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Yes, yes. You get it.
The majority of nice people probably aren't good people.
Most good people behave nicely, without even knowing they are.
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
>>>Yes, yes. You get it.
I do, too. I'm thinking you're the one that doesn't.
There's nothing wrong with not liking phony people. I don't like phony people either. People who pat you on the back with a dagger hidden discretely in their palm. But those people aren't "nice". They might attempt to ACT nice, but that's not at all the same as BEING nice.
Nice people genuinely ARE nice. They tend to smile a lot, are often in a good mood, and usually do what they can to help others out. And there's a lot of people out there who hate them for it. They growl at them, and bitch that they shouldn't be so fucking happy all the time. You know, I'm not in a good mood, so how dare you be? And it's become rather fashionable to hate them.
And frankly, if you have a problem with nice people, the problem lies with you, not with them. With nice people, their niceness isn't an "act" anymore than your lisp or your love of Cher music is. It's just how they are. And hating them for it is just as fucking stupid as someone hating you for "acting all gay".
Some people are nice.
Get over it.
Lex
I do, too. I'm thinking you're the one that doesn't.
There's nothing wrong with not liking phony people. I don't like phony people either. People who pat you on the back with a dagger hidden discretely in their palm. But those people aren't "nice". They might attempt to ACT nice, but that's not at all the same as BEING nice.
Nice people genuinely ARE nice. They tend to smile a lot, are often in a good mood, and usually do what they can to help others out. And there's a lot of people out there who hate them for it. They growl at them, and bitch that they shouldn't be so fucking happy all the time. You know, I'm not in a good mood, so how dare you be? And it's become rather fashionable to hate them.
And frankly, if you have a problem with nice people, the problem lies with you, not with them. With nice people, their niceness isn't an "act" anymore than your lisp or your love of Cher music is. It's just how they are. And hating them for it is just as fucking stupid as someone hating you for "acting all gay".
Some people are nice.
Get over it.
Lex
Well, Lex, having recently met you in person, I can attest to all that you certainly are not a guy I would ever call "nice".
Seriously. You were standoffish, cold and anti-social.
The thing about "nice" is it's noticed right away. Takes awhile to know about "good".
Didn't spend enough time around you to determine if you're "good" or not. You well could be. But, "nice" you're not....
Once again, if a person is always behaving nicely, doing nice things, acting and genuinely being nice--then I don't have any problem with him/her. I'd call that person good.
I met Nixon once, or twice. He was very nice to everyone around him. Martha Stewart seems very nice. But it's a question whether either of those two are/were good.....
I met Nixon once, or twice. He was very nice to everyone around him. Martha Stewart seems very nice. But it's a question whether either of those two are/were good.....
G-Lexington
Lex. Icon. Devil.
>>>Maybe he's just shy, NineofClubs.
Or maybe I'm just an asshole.
No, I don't really consider myself "nice", really. It takes me time to find a good "opening" when I'm talking to people, and I do better one-on-one than I do in groups. And my snarkiness has often been read as standoffish (or my standoffishness has been read as snarky). And just for the record, you struck me as...well, nice enough. You were pretty easy to talk to, and I enjoyed chatting (albeit briefly) with you. I'm not hurt that you found me otherwise, and I'm not offended that you said so. Just thought I should weigh in likewise.
But all of that is neither here nor there. The topic wasn't whether or not I'M nice. The topic was "nice people" (as opposed to "good people"), and why you don't like them. I stand by what I said. I read your post as deriding "nice" people in favor of "good" ones...which was followed by some backpedalling, saying (in effect) that by "nice", you meant "phony". Which to me is like saying "I don't like gay people", and then saying "by gay, I mean drama queens". The two may be vaguely related, but are no means similar. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's how I read it.
Lex
Or maybe I'm just an asshole.
No, I don't really consider myself "nice", really. It takes me time to find a good "opening" when I'm talking to people, and I do better one-on-one than I do in groups. And my snarkiness has often been read as standoffish (or my standoffishness has been read as snarky). And just for the record, you struck me as...well, nice enough. You were pretty easy to talk to, and I enjoyed chatting (albeit briefly) with you. I'm not hurt that you found me otherwise, and I'm not offended that you said so. Just thought I should weigh in likewise.
But all of that is neither here nor there. The topic wasn't whether or not I'M nice. The topic was "nice people" (as opposed to "good people"), and why you don't like them. I stand by what I said. I read your post as deriding "nice" people in favor of "good" ones...which was followed by some backpedalling, saying (in effect) that by "nice", you meant "phony". Which to me is like saying "I don't like gay people", and then saying "by gay, I mean drama queens". The two may be vaguely related, but are no means similar. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that's how I read it.
Lex
^ Well. read it as you will. Not what I meant.
"Nice" to me is always phony, until proven otherwise. Of course, "nice" people can occasionally be "good". But usually they're not.
"Nice" to me is always phony, until proven otherwise. Of course, "nice" people can occasionally be "good". But usually they're not.
Geez, you've met me, in person. And I think even you'd admit I don't have a lisp.
And we never, ever discussed Cher....
teadrinker
JUB Addict
In Bertrand Russell's essay "Nice People" (published in his popular book Why I am not a Christian, 1957), he claims that:
"The essence of nice people is that they hate life as manifested in tendencies to co-operation, in the boisterousness of children, and above all in sex, with the thought of which they are obsessed. In a word, nice people are those who have nasty minds."
-T.
"The essence of nice people is that they hate life as manifested in tendencies to co-operation, in the boisterousness of children, and above all in sex, with the thought of which they are obsessed. In a word, nice people are those who have nasty minds."
-T.
gdude30
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Lex seemed like an okay guy..
He was spending most of the time with his lover which wasn't a bad thing.
He was probably just a little nervous at the JUB meet. Lex you definitely seemed like an okay person. You tried to talk to me but I was too nervous.
Nothing wrong with being nervous.
The comment that Lex made in the CA Trip thread was nothing. He was just a bit skeptic but people posted to him and explained the significance about it.
But I don't see a need to argue about this..
Nine of Clubs and Lex are both cool people
He was spending most of the time with his lover which wasn't a bad thing.
He was probably just a little nervous at the JUB meet. Lex you definitely seemed like an okay person. You tried to talk to me but I was too nervous.
Nothing wrong with being nervous.
The comment that Lex made in the CA Trip thread was nothing. He was just a bit skeptic but people posted to him and explained the significance about it.
But I don't see a need to argue about this..
Nine of Clubs and Lex are both cool people
AngelFromAbove
JUB Addict
Maybe you've had some bad personal experiences with nice people. I admit, I have had people who were nice ultimately turn out to be shady. On the other hand, I've met just as many people who were nice and did not have malevolent intentions underneath. Maybe I did not know the latter very well, but the more I came to know them, the more I was impressed with them as people because it was just who they were. It's not a facade for everyone or even most people; there are some genuinely nice people out there.
But if, as you say, they are "genuinely nice" then by definition aren't they good?
I'm saying a lot of nasty folk know how to "act" nice, but they certainly aren't good.
braex27
Cerca Trova
Good and nice aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I like both, and especially good people who are also nice.
Good and nice aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I like both, and especially good people who are also nice.
Well. Duh!
But what about the nice people who aren't good. Isn't that a problem?
"Duh"? That comment would suggest that in this case you are neither nice nor good! Isn't that a problem?Well. Duh!
But what about the nice people who aren't good. Isn't that a problem?
Mr-Pickles
Sex God
I'd rather be nice and be accused of being "fake" than be rude and label it "honest" or "real".
Manners are important to me, treat people how you would like to be treated.
Manners are important to me, treat people how you would like to be treated.
teadrinker
JUB Addict
Bertrand Russell, the great philosopher, wrote an essay on "Nice People": you can read it here: http://spiritroombook.blogspot.com/2005/11/nice-people.html
Note his conclusion:
"The essence of nice people is that they hate life as manifested in tendencies to co-operation, and in the boisterousness of children, and above all in sex, with the thought of which they are obsessed. In a word, nice people are those who have nasty minds."
He doesn't like nice people, and neither do I.
-T,
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Note his conclusion:
"The essence of nice people is that they hate life as manifested in tendencies to co-operation, and in the boisterousness of children, and above all in sex, with the thought of which they are obsessed. In a word, nice people are those who have nasty minds."
He doesn't like nice people, and neither do I.
-T,
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