I think there are very few men who are truly heterosexual.

[AsianDream]

He says society created a culture of pseudo-opposites, ying/yang shit and so and of pseudo-attraction between "opposites" while same/same appeal is naturally much more evident than all ying/yang shit. Prove is social live - this is not what Giacomo says, but my opinion - of ALL men who all live strong homosocietal lives, but artificially and purposely exclude the sexual part from it. The exclusion of the M2M sex attraction part is specifically prompted by M2M attraction. Only str8 and unreachable guys seem appealing.

I fully agree with Giacomo.

I think the comparison with “Homosociality” is not valid. Just as gay men often have strong “Heterosocial” friendships with women with absolutely no sexual element.

People have all sorts of relationships – family, friendship, work etc – which often involve very strong bonds of a non-sexual nature.

In the academic world it’s very common to have a strong intellectual affinity with someone (especially mentor style relationships) with no question at all of any sexual attraction.

There is an evolutionary argument that all forms of attraction and bonding between people were originally derived from sexual instincts. However the different forms of relationships are now quite distinct.

 

[GiacomoPisani]

it can be difficult to summarize very complex dynamic interactions were emotions and psycho-physical laws are involved.for instance, it is surprising for many that nature does create sexual deviancy as a function of sexual dimorphism.

Try to prove that there is an inverse relation and not a direct proportional relationship between sexual deviancy and sexual dimorphism and see what you can come out with.

the very dichotomy between a vagina and a penis,in form,shape and physiology tells you many things about this psycho-physical interaction.

as i have said before,it is difficult for homosexuals to give up social labels and understand psycho--physical principles because many of the definitions that are sold as science are actually nothing but masked philosophical idealism.it is clear that according to psycho-physical characterization of coupling systems, they are two types of duos, a symmetrical and an asymmetrical one.Both duos or coupling system interact differently.In order to study psycho-physical principles objectively, emotionalism, must be put aside and be able to see in low and high resolution many variable conditions,because psycho-physical processes have magnitudes or intensities,like physical ones, that can be measured psycho-metrically,thus, the Kinsey scale etc.for instance, asymmetric duos can go from high to low levels of sexual dimorphism,as a consequence, there is a broad spectrum of behaviors in intelligent and non-intelligent organisms that try to adapt to their physiological conditions that impose them sexual deviancy as a mean to inseminate.we the humans deal with the way nature has set us up to commit sexual deviancy as an insemination mean,by inverting the psycho-physical scale,through philosophical and theological polemicists who have no other purpose but to control and brainwash us about the word we live in.

but since what i'm saying is not important at all and this subject has an unthinkable depth and people are gonna wipe their ass and make fun with what i'm saying, then i better stop talking more shit.

 

[versatileplayer]

For those who are calling other people deviant for their sexual desires - I see no difference between you and the moralizing right wing nut cases - we have a special thread for moralizing here:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336730

 

[GiacomoPisani]

For those who are calling other people deviant for their sexual desires - I see no difference between you and the moralizing right wing nut cases - we have a special thread for moralizing here:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336730

the meaning that you give to sexual deviancy is not the same as the one that you are thinking about,i refer to sexual deviancy as a shift toward some other group's sexuality rather than staying with the one you belong to,it has nothing to do with philosophical/behavioral shit that you've had heard of.

and who told you that the people who have a different opinion than yours are moralizing?
if we say that we think that having a relationship with a man who instead of loving you entirely ,loves another sex,is quite problematic,what 's so moralizing about that?

i wonder how much suffering your partner has been through with you.sometimes because of love,fear of being alone,fear of beginning a new relationship or not finding one,etc the gay partner just come to accept without complain their bisexual partner's whims without saying a word about how he feels.the good thing is that it seems that it is always the gay guy who is expected to adapt to his bisexual partner's whims.

my partner used to tell me a coupled of time to have sex with females,and after thinking about it thoroughly,i plainly said no to his request.if other people enjoy doing that,them good for them,i don't criticize them at all.

 

[paatreides]

My blog deals with the question raised in this thread. I agree with the earlier comment that sexuality probably falls on a bell curve distribution. You might be interested in my recent post which shows data from my Flexuality Test, specifically the percent of people who identify as "heterosexual" but say they have had gay desires or experiences, or would be willing to have a gay experience: How Straight Are Heterosexuals?

This is what I'm talking about ^^^^

There is such a wide range of sexuality and I'm not entirely sure any two people are exactly the same when it comes to their sexual interests or desires.

I took the Flexuality Test earlier this year and it turns out I am a true bisexual, but I'm also polyamorous.

I've met enough "str8" men over the years to know there are few men who are true heterosexuals. If a guy enjoys getting a hand job or blow job from another man, it means he can (and does) enjoy M/M sex and, therefore, he's not 100% str8.

 

[versatileplayer]

the meaning that you give to sexual deviancy is not the same as the one that you are thinking about,i refer to sexual deviancy as a shift toward some other group's sexuality rather than staying with the one you belong to,it has nothing to do with philosophical/behavioral shit that you've had heard of.

and who told you that the people who have a different opinion than yours are moralizing?
if we say that we think that having a relationship with a man who instead of loving you entirely ,loves another sex,is quite problematic,what 's so moralizing about that?

i wonder how much suffering your partner has been through with you.sometimes because of love,fear of being alone,fear of beginning a new relationship or not finding one,etc the gay partner just come to accept without complain their bisexual partner's whims without saying a word about how he feels.the good thing is that it seems that it is always the gay guy who is expected to adapt to his bisexual partner's whims.

my partner used to tell me a coupled of time to have sex with females,and after thinking about it thoroughly,i plainly said no to his request.if other people enjoy doing that,them good for them,i don't criticize them at all.

Judgment of others = moralizing.

 

[easyroad]

I've met enough "str8" men over the years to know there are few men who are true heterosexuals. If a guy enjoys getting a hand job or blow job from another man, it means he can (and does) enjoy M/M sex and, therefore, he's not 100% str8.

Sorry, but I don't think you can make an assumption about all heterosexual men based only on those you did something sexual with. It would be like saying the participants of a Big Brother show are representative of the entire country it's on, when they only represent the part of its population who would consider throwing away their privacy for fame and cash (in other words, the attention-whores of said country).

 

[paatreides]

Sorry, but I don't think you can make an assumption about all heterosexual men based only on those you did something sexual with. It would be like saying the participants of a Big Brother show are representative of the entire country it's on, when they only represent the part of its population who would consider throwing away their privacy for fame and cash (in other words, the attention-whores of said country).

I think maybe you missed my point.

I wasn't making an assumption about all str8 men; that anecdote was merely a set-up for my point... which was this:

If a guy enjoys getting a hand job or blow job from another man, it means he can (and does) enjoy M/M sex and, therefore, he's not 100% str8.

 

[easyroad]

I think maybe you missed my point.

I wasn't making an assumption about all str8 men; that anecdote was merely a set-up for my point... which was this:

If a guy enjoys getting a hand job or blow job from another man, it means he can (and does) enjoy M/M sex and, therefore, he's not 100% str8.

"I've met enough "str8" men over the years to know there are few men who are true heterosexuals." -- That's an assumption, right there.

And unless you "met" a considerable number of straight men, it's probably not enough to draw a conclusion on straight men in general.

 

[paatreides]

"I've met enough "str8" men over the years to know there are few men who are true heterosexuals." -- That's an assumption, right there.

And unless you "met" a considerable number of straight men, it's probably not enough to draw a conclusion on straight men in general.

You are still focusing on the one sentence. But, okay, I'll go with it...that statement alone could be considered an assumption. Mea culpa!

 

[Ironman092164]

Thanks, guys, for all of the thought provoking comments. I enjoy being able to paticipate in a forum such as this, and truly enjoy listening to your opinions.

 

[stevexxx]

there are a very few women who are truly homosexual

 

[easyroad]

You are still focusing on the one sentence. But, okay, I'll go with it...that statement alone could be considered an assumption. Mea culpa!

I don't agree with your other sentence either, but the first one was more audacious - and also said the same thing the opening post said. When it comes to "men who enjoy HJs and BJs = enjoy M2M sex = aren't str8"... eh... I think it's stretching a bit, but maybe it's best for me to stop there.

Speaking of the OP, I agree, Ironman, thought provoking discussions with polite disagreements are always fun.

 

[versatileplayer]

Well, based on my personal experience, heterosexuality is very much the norm, followed not at all closely by homosexuality, with bisexuality being the least prevalent. Could be that a lot of people are still hush hush about their sexual interests (as they have every right to be btw) but I don’t think we’ll know the exact numbers for sure any time soon.

Personally I can see why heterosexual would be the norm. It stems from the primordial drive to procreate. I mean, it’s why the fuck the human race exists. Whatever.

The closet is a prison that perpetuates itself and sometimes creates mental illness.

I agree that people have every right to keep their sexuality private. If they can admit to themselves what they like, chances are they will stay mentally healthy.

But it really serves their interests best to be out of the closet, no matter what those interests might be.

I laughed at this guy I met at a gay bar one time. He was bi and in the closet. He was going on and on about the "flamboyant" stereotypical gay guys - whom he thought were not at all macho. He further ridiculed drag queens.

I reminded him that it was a bunch of pissed off drag queens who rioted at Stonewall. He was able to stand in that gay bar without fear of being hauled in by the vice squad because of those "femmy" queens who had finally had enough.

I think it's too easy for bi guys like me to "play straight" and tell themselves that they are somehow more manly than the guys (and gals) who have done all the heavy lifting of the gay rights movement. I've been out of the closet for over 20 years. Has it cost me? Maybe. Maybe my life would have been easier if I chose to play straight and keep my gay side in the closet. To me it's worth it.

Sometimes gay guys are afraid to have a relationship with bi guys who are in the closet - hence the saying "closet cases are dangerous." Countless murders have happened where the closeted bi guy kills his gay lover because he's afraid of being exposed.

Also - lying to the world is just not mentally healthy, and you're really not fooling anyone anyway. People can tell there is something "a little different" about you. The constant deception makes you crazy hence the other saying "better blatant then latent."

But I do understand when people have to be in the closet for a job or something - but myself - I'd find another job.

 

[FurSeattle]

All one needs to do is check out the M4M postings for Craig's List for any area. Amazing how many married men are looking for gay sex. I always maintained that human beings are complex, and no one really knows what every single person desires.

 

[cockster21]

I agree that there are WAYYY more bisexuals than you might think. Or at least, curious guys.

But there ARE 100% straight and 100% gay people out there.

 

[mark08]

Seems to be a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.

Being straight myself just like all my friends, I can guarantee you that we are 100% straight. While I can't talk for them, I'm attracted to women 365 days of the year.

I've met a few gays before, friends of friends, etc. and I have no problems with them, most are very cool guys. I must say that the very effiminate ones are very annoying to me though. I'm fairly those guys are 100% gay, so why can't there be 100% straight men?

A lot of people here give ''bisexuality'' a very wide definition. Bisexuality means that you're attracted to both sexes physically and emotionally. While a few guys might get curious (usually out of a lack of women, no, it's not easy to get laid as a straight guy), they never ''crave'' a man, ever. We do however crave men and stare at their asses, tits, etc. Just like gays must crave men.

However, I can explain the fact that a lot of straight men will venture into homosexuality once in a while for reasons other than being actually gay or bi (yes, there are closet cases, but I doubt that's the majority).

a) Lack of women: The average Joe who's a bit socially awkward, out of shape, making 30k a year and not exactly good looking will NEVER get laid with women. I know this might be a concept many of you are not familiar with, but it's much harder to get a woman in bed than to get a man in bed. Therefore, he might turn to men to relieve those sexual frustrations (fapping might get old).

b) Anal stimulation: Believe it or not, there AREN'T many women who own a strapon in their closet and are really into saying hi, fucking a guy, and saying bye. Shocking isn't it? So a lot of straight might turn to men for that reason aswell.

c) Simple curiosity: While I've never played with a dick, I can imagine the experience being much different than playing with a vagina. The simple fact that it's something ''new'' might be exciting for some guys.

 

[Rex]

There ARE people who are exclusively straight or gay. And there ARE bisexuals.

Agreed. I always see the theory that "nobody is really straight" but if that was the case then nobody is really gay either, and that just isn't true.

 

[Solid Gold]

People, all I know is when I'm horney any port will do. Women can be hot as can men. Neither one matters unless it is for a committed relationship.
Guys who put their wives at risk be they bisexual or not are scum I.M.H.O. Gays who only go afterSTRAIGHTS are scum I.M.H.O. Life is short, death is long enjoy whatever you like but be honest and to your own self be true.

 

[mano]

I would like to offer the opinion that love and sex have very little to do with each other. I've known girls and guys that I cared deeply for and loved being with but that did not necessary equate to a sexual attraction. At least in my case, the heart and the dick just aren't connected much at all.