I Want a Down-Low Brotha!

[benners]

No getting is that good.

BUT I guess it comes down to what you're looking for. I want to be with someone intelligent, and I can't imagine--though I'm not an authority on the matter--that the "D.L." scene is made up of a great many Rhodes Scholars who are splitting the atom in their free time. That is, I presume that educated men who sleep with men are well enough informed to know they are, in fact, gay--and not only on weekends when their wives are out and they have the house to themselves.

I guess I'm more interested in self-respect than I am in self-deprecation. I'm also turned off by cowards. No one you're involved with should WANT to keep you a secret.

 

[kayman23]

Well I have a full enough public gay life populated with the usual (out) suspects. Or maybe not. But, I don't see what's wrong with dabbling in a little discrete sideline with some of my (in) brothas who need love and are willing to give it, under certain conditions. Isn't love and sex a cluster of negotiations and compromises anyway?

The problem is you are going to put up with the paranoia and schizophrenic behavior just to have a piece of ass with those types. That's just pathetic.

 

[LilBit]

Sugar, I would entertain a conga line of down-low brothas before considering a "transman." Gay is gay, and I don't know what that other thing is. It's not for us. "On the night before Christmas, when the chitlins are cooking. Anyone one of us without a man lined up, needs to start looking."

That's fine. It's your decision. Please note that I never said you couldn't or shouldn't date guys on the DL. I just said that *I* wouldn't. It's not my place to tell you who you should and shouldn't date, and it's not your place to tell others who they should and shouldn't date. You justify your dalliances with DL guys with the claim that they need love. Isn't the same true for transmen? Why should we begrudge them happy and fulfilling relationships just because they don't fit into some narrow gender binary?

 

[justsimon]

Being a bisexual, I can most certainly relate to what the OP is saying.

Being a bisexual, i most certainly cannot relate to what the OP is saying.

 

[USEDCAR]

Down-low is just a fancy way of saying in the closet

 

[Fucker29]

Why would I want to be treated as if I'm something to be ashamed of? I really don't get the appeal of THAT! So no, I would NOT be willing to be in such "relationship".

 

[BabiGayPimp]

You know, it's funny that you mention closet. Because I was just thinking the other day that if I start dealing with some of these black men I've been meeting, I may have to go back into the closet to hang! But hell, if the sex is good it might be worth it.

People just don't know. It is damn cold up in Toronto is more ways than one.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

Like I say. People profess one thing in the light of day, but behave in entirely different ways after dark. I attended a few private underwear parties where the down-low brothas were being serviced! And I didn't see any out-gay men objecting. They couldn't get up off their knees long enough to object to anything! I'm just telling you how it is.

 

[kayman23]

How do you know they're on the down low? You talk to them?

I'm out and black and I go to parties when I feel the need. Now I'm wondering if people think I'm some closet case when I go to them. Heaven forbid.

From my knowledge, all types of individuals attend those types of parties. If someone believes that only "closeted" or "DL" individuals are there then they are fooling themselves.

 

[bulge]

Most M2M, be it black, white, chinese, bantou,... is DL. DL is the best.

 

[LilBit]

That's fine. It's your decision. Please note that I never said you couldn't or shouldn't date guys on the DL. I just said that *I* wouldn't. It's not my place to tell you who you should and shouldn't date, and it's not your place to tell others who they should and shouldn't date. You justify your dalliances with DL guys with the claim that they need love. Isn't the same true for transmen? Why should we begrudge them happy and fulfilling relationships just because they don't fit into some narrow gender binary?

I'm still waiting for an answer...

 

[USEDCAR]

Since were posting cool pictures

 

[BabiGayPimp]

I'm still waiting for an answer...

I partly justify my encounters with down-low brothas, as a gay man, on the basis that they are men at least. Perhaps not the kind of men some are seeking--but men, nonetheless. Gay men want men and are not trying to get with women-in-transit. That's why I failed that "transmen" thread. Gay men can't afford such a lack of focus in these hard times. And some down-low brothas are literate and entrepreneurial. They just have complicated lives and relationships.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

How do you know they're on the down low? You talk to them?

I'm out and black and I go to parties when I feel the need. Now I'm wondering if people think I'm some closet case when I go to them. Heaven forbid.

It's a vibe that you feel. Especially at those parties. With two Jamaicans in Toronto, they came right out and told me. One had a wife (I drove to his apartment early one morning). The other had a girlfriend that he discussed with me. Although some of the language he used ("nagging bitch") was more than I wanted to hear.

 

[MoltenRock III]

There! I've said it. It's not polictically correct. It's not ethical. But it is what it is. All summer, I've been seeing hot black men on both sides of the border. And the sultry looks they sometimes shoot back sometimes give me pause.

I know, as surely as I know my own name that they would be up for some DL action if the circumstances were right. And those circumstances almost got right at a family reunion/picnic over the summer. I will have to tell about that brush burn some time. Talk about being "grazed by a bullet." Lawdy!

But seriously, I have no issue with keeping things undercover if the man has interests (and a reputation) to protect. I've gone that route before and would go again. Because it was hot.

I think if we want to operate in certain circles, we may have to make some compromises?

Would you be willing to be a dark man's secret (or a man's dark secret) if the getting was good enough?

With you? Fuck no. You're a self-hating homo. I've got better things to do with my time. Like standing in line at airport security, or watching paint dry.

 

[MoltenRock III]

That’s fine. I rather sound like a pre-op fem than sound like a spineless, inarticulate, secret worshipper of the cock such as yourself. B/c at the end of the day, I’m still more of a man (not to mention have a better vocabulary) than you’ll ever will.

Ignore is a wonderful feature. Especially with Sarah Palin and Twitter speak idiots.

 

[SilverWolf]

I partly justify my encounters with down-low brothas, as a gay man, on the basis that they are men at least. Perhaps not the kind of men some are seeking--but men, nonetheless. Gay men want men and are not trying to get with women-in-transit. That's why I failed that "transmen" thread. Gay men can't afford such a lack of focus in these hard times. And some down-low brothas are literate and entrepreneurial. They just have complicated lives and relationships.

So transsexuals are less of a man because they don't fit your requirements even though they are honest about them being born wrong gender and live their lives on their terms.

But down low men are real men because they live a lie and you don't mind being the piece of side meat because some are literate.

If you like that, go ahead. I'll pass.
I'll take a transsexual who will acknowledge me and our relationship in daylight over being the side meat to be used and thrown away in shame.

Those transsexuals have bigger balls than your down low men in my opinion.

 

[Ram]

Why must BabiGayPimp always mention he's black? It's always black this black that black there black here. Give your race a rest already.

No one gives a shit if you're black. Well I guess, clearly from your activities, you have nothing else to be proud other than the color of your skin.

 

[LilBit]

I partly justify my encounters with down-low brothas, as a gay man, on the basis that they are men at least. Perhaps not the kind of men some are seeking--but men, nonetheless. Gay men want men and are not trying to get with women-in-transit. That's why I failed that "transmen" thread. Gay men can't afford such a lack of focus in these hard times.

That's fine for you. You identify as gay, you have a certain definition of masculinity, and transmen don't do it for you. But what about men who identify as bi or queer, rather than gay? The message I'm getting from you is that NOBODY should date transmen. And regardless of how a person self-identifies, who the fuck are you to tell them who they can and can't date? As you can see, your dating choices aren't terribly popular in the gay community, but nobody's telling you not to date guys on the DL. Why can't you just leave people alone and let them live their lives as they see fit?

And some down-low brothas are literate and entrepreneurial. They just have complicated lives and relationships.

And none of that applies to transmen, of course...

Why must BabiGayPimp always mention he's black? It's always black this black that black there black here. Give your race a rest already.

No one gives a shit if you're black. Well I guess, clearly from your activities, you have nothing else to be proud other than the color of your skin.

Even his MBA is black.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Even his MBA is black.

What's a "black MBA"? Does that mean my MBA is an "Asian MBA"? Or does he have an MBA in the color black?

While I didn't read his nonsense on transmen, is his hate of them really all that surprising? If a person loathes and hates himself, they hate others around them as well. It's a prison of their own making.