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I Want To Be A Housewife
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axioma16
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I HOPE that this is some sort of parody.
Even most women are horrified by the prospect of being aberrant Doris Day clones trapped in the diminutive world of gender subjugation.
This guy is either a very good comedian with an acute sense of irony, or a fucking idiot who is glorifying the fact that certain (utterly pathetic) gay men want to be turned into submissive little women.
Ugh, excuse me while I vomit.
Even most women are horrified by the prospect of being aberrant Doris Day clones trapped in the diminutive world of gender subjugation.
This guy is either a very good comedian with an acute sense of irony, or a fucking idiot who is glorifying the fact that certain (utterly pathetic) gay men want to be turned into submissive little women.
Ugh, excuse me while I vomit.
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There are a lot worse things that can go on behind closed doors. How many people have stopped to realize that it now takes two people working to provide what one was able to provide?
TickTockMan
"Repent, Harlequin!"
Why is it pathetic to know what you want and to go after it?
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Because consciously and deliberately placing yourself in a position of inferiority and dependence, and wanting to be someone's perfect little wife, is fucking pathetic, not to mention disgusting.
I bet the guys who want this, dream of converting a heterosexual man (you know, because heterosexual men are real men
), who will treat them like ladies and put them in their place with a good punch across the face if they misbehave.How very charming!
Apparently, some gay people are clamouring for their right to marry, so that they can be second class citizens after all. Nice!
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fetaby
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Because consciously and deliberately placing yourself in a position of inferiority and dependence, and wanting to be someone's perfect little wife, is fucking pathetic, not to mention disgusting.
I bet the guys who want this, dream of converting a heterosexual man (you know, because heterosexual men are real men
How very charming!
Apparently, some gay people are clamouring for their right to marry, so that they can be second class citizens after all. Nice!
Did you not have a mom? Was she not super woman? Did she not have a magic purse that contained any and every thing she could possibly need?
Why do you relegate the role of the housewife to that of a mindless victim?
If the housewife is that, the housewife was obviously doing it wrong...
She can come take tips from my mom if she wants them...
Why oh why do people (in general) fool themselves into one track thinking?
Point and end, I don't want to be a housewife... I want to be a house husband..
Now tell me what's wrong with that?
TickTockMan
"Repent, Harlequin!"
Because consciously and deliberately placing yourself in a position of inferiority and dependence, and wanting to be someone's perfect little wife, is fucking pathetic, not to mention disgusting.
I bet the guys who want this, dream of converting a heterosexual man (you know, because heterosexual men are real men
How very charming!
Apparently, some gay people are clamouring for their right to marry, so that they can be second class citizens after all. Nice!
I'd would have no problem being a "housewife". I don't have a fetish for "straight" men. I'm not trans in any way, nor am I gay. I'm pansexual. If we were to stand close together chances are people would think you're queer before me.
Women are not inferior to men, people just think they are. You talk about pathetic and disgusting, but you’re the one that thinks of women as less than men. Who’s really the pathetic and disgusting one here?
The “housewife” life would fit me for no other reason than with the right man I am a completely submissive. You are reading too much into the situation to fit your bias.
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Fetaby - I understand your point and your aspirations. I don't share them but, then again, we are all different. Good luck in your quest to becoming a house husband... I bet independence and personal freedom are not that important after all! 
Also, I understand that some women don't experience being housewives as something necessarily negative. I guess that every situation can be advantageous to some if they know how to exploit it.
Thynight - I have NEVER, EVER said that women are inferior to men in any way. I have clearly stated that many of them are rightly horrified by the idea of submitting to gender-based roles that place them in a position of inferiority. Apparently, some people don't share that notion, because they like the idea of being oppressed. Good for them!
Oh, and I'm not reading too much into anything. People who aspire to lose their independence to another human being, are pathetic and disgusting. Even if they only do so with the right man and it would be difficult for others to assume they are queer.
Also, I understand that some women don't experience being housewives as something necessarily negative. I guess that every situation can be advantageous to some if they know how to exploit it.
Thynight - I have NEVER, EVER said that women are inferior to men in any way. I have clearly stated that many of them are rightly horrified by the idea of submitting to gender-based roles that place them in a position of inferiority. Apparently, some people don't share that notion, because they like the idea of being oppressed. Good for them!
Oh, and I'm not reading too much into anything. People who aspire to lose their independence to another human being, are pathetic and disgusting. Even if they only do so with the right man and it would be difficult for others to assume they are queer.
TickTockMan
"Repent, Harlequin!"
Thynight - I have NEVER, EVER said that women are inferior to men in any way. I have clearly stated that many of them are rightly horrified by the idea of submitting to gender-based roles that place them in a position of inferiority. Apparently, some people don't share that notion, because they like the idea of being oppressed. Good for them!
Oh, and I'm not reading too much into anything. People who aspire to lose their independence to another human being, are pathetic and disgusting. Even if they only do so with the right man and it would be difficult for others to assume they are queer.
You did within your first post, in the first sentence. If we give it up willingly we're not being exploted, nor placing ourselves in a position of inferiority and dependence. Inferiority is nothing but a thought that others project and dependence is two sided. We give up nothing totally, but trade for other things.
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Thynight, I stand by what I have (not) said about women. Stating that most of them dislike the idea of surrendering to societal notions of gender-assigned, submissive behaviour isn't offensive to anyone. If anything, I am acknowledging the fact that women have a right to be recognized as equals, even if some choose, or are forced by their circumstances, to enter a less than favourable arrangement.
Please, don't try to alter the meaning of what I've said in an attempt to try to disqualify me. It's petty and it detracts from the validity of your argument.
Now, with that said, inferiority is not a form of extraneous validation, but also the result of one's particular situation. If you want to give up your material and emotional independence because you feel that other elements would more than compensate for their loss, you are free to do so. As long as you are satisfied and happy, good for you.
That doesn't mean that others shan't feel that it is not an adverse position to place oneself in, and express it with a certain degree of passion...
Sorry if I've offended you. It's just that I can't understand having such an aspiration, even though I should have expressed myself in a more respectful manner. After all, everybody's feelings should be respected.
Please, don't try to alter the meaning of what I've said in an attempt to try to disqualify me. It's petty and it detracts from the validity of your argument.
Now, with that said, inferiority is not a form of extraneous validation, but also the result of one's particular situation. If you want to give up your material and emotional independence because you feel that other elements would more than compensate for their loss, you are free to do so. As long as you are satisfied and happy, good for you.
That doesn't mean that others shan't feel that it is not an adverse position to place oneself in, and express it with a certain degree of passion...
Sorry if I've offended you. It's just that I can't understand having such an aspiration, even though I should have expressed myself in a more respectful manner. After all, everybody's feelings should be respected.
GayHunting
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His voice is grating and that song is a disastrous piece of writing.
*shivers*
His voice is grating and that song is a disastrous piece of writing.
*shivers*
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I don't like the sentiment in the song - he wants to stay home and cook, clean, wash and iron, and have his lover's babies...
That's the stereotypical housewife that women struggled for decades to break away from.
That's the stereotypical housewife that women struggled for decades to break away from.
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I love Jay Brannan and am very glad to see other people who know of him around. Haven't heard anyone really talking about him or anything. But yeah love him and every song he's ever done. Just upset he doesn't seem to tour around England or NI very much. Also he has the absolute cutest sexiest smile i have ever seen before. Love him love him love him
Jay's songs are often whimsical, sarcastic, haunting and beautiful--all in the same song. If you listen to the words of the song, they aren't about subjugating one's self to a partner--he's just singing about the kind of love he'd like to have. I personally love his lyrics and his voice--some of his songs feel like heartbreak and hope to me. He has many videos on youtube; check them out.
If you're interested in seeing how cute he is naked and while having sex, you can check out the movie ShortBus, which is an explicit indie art porn film by the originator of Hedwig and the Angry Inch, John Cameron Mitchell. Jay plays a character who gets taken home by a gay couple. You can see him sucking dick and getting his ass eaten--it's a feel-good little indie film (actually, it's often depressing, as the characters are quite fucked up in their sexual lives).
As far as the idea of someone wanting to be a housewife being pathetic because that person is giving up independence and freedom--bullshit. Many women take on the role willingly and happily because they love their children and want to be with them as they grow. Not every woman wants to be in the work force, letting television and expensive day care workers raise her children while she makes more money in order for the family to have material things. Being a housewife doesn't degrade women--treating housewives like they're less than simply because that's what they want for themselves is what degrades them.
If you're interested in seeing how cute he is naked and while having sex, you can check out the movie ShortBus, which is an explicit indie art porn film by the originator of Hedwig and the Angry Inch, John Cameron Mitchell. Jay plays a character who gets taken home by a gay couple. You can see him sucking dick and getting his ass eaten--it's a feel-good little indie film (actually, it's often depressing, as the characters are quite fucked up in their sexual lives).
As far as the idea of someone wanting to be a housewife being pathetic because that person is giving up independence and freedom--bullshit. Many women take on the role willingly and happily because they love their children and want to be with them as they grow. Not every woman wants to be in the work force, letting television and expensive day care workers raise her children while she makes more money in order for the family to have material things. Being a housewife doesn't degrade women--treating housewives like they're less than simply because that's what they want for themselves is what degrades them.
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He played at a joint a few blocks from me. Who knew?
I thought this was interesting from his blog:
Saturday, February 14, 2009
the big annoying GAY factor
as taken from the new FAQ posted at jaybrannan.com:
Q. the big annoying GAY factor: why do you hate being called a "gay" singer-songwriter, or being told you write "gay" songs, or always being asked to participate in gay-themed activities, etc.?
A. it's 2009. i think it's time that everyone, the "gay community" included, allow gay people to take their place in the world as real people, rather than continuing to be defined and separated by their sexual orientation. i want the freedom to be myself, unafraid and uncensored, without having to market myself based on a sexual orientation, or attaching that sexual orientation to my name as a title.
in recent years, an entire industry has developed around "being gay" -- gay magazines, gay tv channels, gay movies, gay pride festivals, gay radio stations, gay record labels. and in my opinion, most of these entities are built around cheesy, outdated and cliché ideas of what it means to be "gay," what gay people want, what is "sexy," or what sells.
i have turned down thousands of dollars that i could have made by exploiting my sexual orientation and building a career in the gay industry and in gay media. because i want to be a musician and an actor and a regular person...on the same playing field as everyone else. i'm not interested in being a professional gay, and i refuse to make my entire life and career about that. i'm not that interested in playing at gay bars or gay pride festivals, or doing "gay singer/songwriter" programs (though i have done these things, and may again if i feel good reason to). i dealt with my sexual orientation when i was a teenager, and frankly i'm sick of talking about it. i don't want my album or the films i'm in to be in the "gay section" of a music or video store. i think having a gay section at the video store is the same as asking black people to drink from a different water fountain, or to sit at the back of the bus. why can't films with gay characters be classified with all the other films...as dramas, or comedies, or horror? "gay" shouldn't BE a genre.
i understand why gay people of a certain generation still have this obsession with their sexual orientation, and maintain this sort of "us against them" mentality. they weren't allowed to be gay for most of their lives, so they are still really excited about it, and feel that they need a community of other gay people for support.
it's like when you're in high school in texas, and you feel like you're the only gay person in the entire world, and all you want is to be around other gay people where you think you can be yourself. but then fast forward 10 years, and you live in L.A. or NYC and you can't ESCAPE gay people and how much being gay makes up their entire identity. everywhere you look there are rainbow flags and gay pride festivals, and waxed, oiled, and muscled bodies staring back at you from shop windows and magazine covers. everyone looks the same and acts the same. they have all the same interests, go to all the same gay vacation spots, and work out at the same gym. all they ever talk about is being gay, and you are expected to like a movie because it's "gay," or like an author because he or she is gay, or listen to music because it's made by a gay person...not because it's GOOD, or because it appeals to you on a more substantial level. all of a sudden, the people who wanted to create a community where they could freely be themselves are forcing this gay identity on everyone and everything they can...telling you who you have to be, what you have to stand for, what you have to make the focus of your life or your career. [much akin to the birth of the United States...people in Europe were being persecuted for their beliefs, so they ran away and built a new nation where people could be "free" to be who they wanted...as long as it fit within certain strict guidelines! (this nation was built on completely fraudulent and hypocritical principles...which hasn't really changed to this day.)]
well, fuck that. people tell me all the time that i represent the "gay community" whether i like it or not. but i'm telling you right now, you represent who you choose to represent. i represent myself and that's it. or maybe i'm willing to stand for other individuals who feel trapped or handicapped by the oppressive world around them, or by the "communities" that are forced upon them simply because of demographics. i don't feel a bond to people because of demographics. i don't see gay people as "family" any more than i feel connected to people because they are white, or because they are tall, or because they have blue eyes. in this world, it's me against everyone, and i hate everyone equally [insert laugh here]. i'll go so far as to say that gay people have fucked me over and treated me like shit more than any other demographic out there, both personally and professionally -- certainly more than any christians or republicans or conservatives ever have. so no, i don't feel a bond to other gay people just because they are gay, i don't identify with them as a "community," and i'm not interested in being their poster boy.
I thought this was interesting from his blog:
Saturday, February 14, 2009
the big annoying GAY factor
as taken from the new FAQ posted at jaybrannan.com:
Q. the big annoying GAY factor: why do you hate being called a "gay" singer-songwriter, or being told you write "gay" songs, or always being asked to participate in gay-themed activities, etc.?
A. it's 2009. i think it's time that everyone, the "gay community" included, allow gay people to take their place in the world as real people, rather than continuing to be defined and separated by their sexual orientation. i want the freedom to be myself, unafraid and uncensored, without having to market myself based on a sexual orientation, or attaching that sexual orientation to my name as a title.
in recent years, an entire industry has developed around "being gay" -- gay magazines, gay tv channels, gay movies, gay pride festivals, gay radio stations, gay record labels. and in my opinion, most of these entities are built around cheesy, outdated and cliché ideas of what it means to be "gay," what gay people want, what is "sexy," or what sells.
i have turned down thousands of dollars that i could have made by exploiting my sexual orientation and building a career in the gay industry and in gay media. because i want to be a musician and an actor and a regular person...on the same playing field as everyone else. i'm not interested in being a professional gay, and i refuse to make my entire life and career about that. i'm not that interested in playing at gay bars or gay pride festivals, or doing "gay singer/songwriter" programs (though i have done these things, and may again if i feel good reason to). i dealt with my sexual orientation when i was a teenager, and frankly i'm sick of talking about it. i don't want my album or the films i'm in to be in the "gay section" of a music or video store. i think having a gay section at the video store is the same as asking black people to drink from a different water fountain, or to sit at the back of the bus. why can't films with gay characters be classified with all the other films...as dramas, or comedies, or horror? "gay" shouldn't BE a genre.
i understand why gay people of a certain generation still have this obsession with their sexual orientation, and maintain this sort of "us against them" mentality. they weren't allowed to be gay for most of their lives, so they are still really excited about it, and feel that they need a community of other gay people for support.
it's like when you're in high school in texas, and you feel like you're the only gay person in the entire world, and all you want is to be around other gay people where you think you can be yourself. but then fast forward 10 years, and you live in L.A. or NYC and you can't ESCAPE gay people and how much being gay makes up their entire identity. everywhere you look there are rainbow flags and gay pride festivals, and waxed, oiled, and muscled bodies staring back at you from shop windows and magazine covers. everyone looks the same and acts the same. they have all the same interests, go to all the same gay vacation spots, and work out at the same gym. all they ever talk about is being gay, and you are expected to like a movie because it's "gay," or like an author because he or she is gay, or listen to music because it's made by a gay person...not because it's GOOD, or because it appeals to you on a more substantial level. all of a sudden, the people who wanted to create a community where they could freely be themselves are forcing this gay identity on everyone and everything they can...telling you who you have to be, what you have to stand for, what you have to make the focus of your life or your career. [much akin to the birth of the United States...people in Europe were being persecuted for their beliefs, so they ran away and built a new nation where people could be "free" to be who they wanted...as long as it fit within certain strict guidelines! (this nation was built on completely fraudulent and hypocritical principles...which hasn't really changed to this day.)]
well, fuck that. people tell me all the time that i represent the "gay community" whether i like it or not. but i'm telling you right now, you represent who you choose to represent. i represent myself and that's it. or maybe i'm willing to stand for other individuals who feel trapped or handicapped by the oppressive world around them, or by the "communities" that are forced upon them simply because of demographics. i don't feel a bond to people because of demographics. i don't see gay people as "family" any more than i feel connected to people because they are white, or because they are tall, or because they have blue eyes. in this world, it's me against everyone, and i hate everyone equally [insert laugh here]. i'll go so far as to say that gay people have fucked me over and treated me like shit more than any other demographic out there, both personally and professionally -- certainly more than any christians or republicans or conservatives ever have. so no, i don't feel a bond to other gay people just because they are gay, i don't identify with them as a "community," and i'm not interested in being their poster boy.
