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I want Trump to feel physical pain!

rareboy said:
We are fortunate to some degree that Ontario was ahead of the curve.

I have a prescription for opiates that gets renewed when I run out. I use maybe about 50 tablets in a year.

But from what I have seen, the Sackler's managed to create a nation of addicts in the US and someone has to wean people away from thinking that opiates are the magic bullet.
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I've been surprised at the Sackler protests. The one targeting the Guggenheim last week was surprising.

The pendulum has swung twice on this issue. We were always warned about prescribing opiates and the risk of addiction... until the early 1990s.

Somewhere around 1993, we were told that there were new studies and that the risk of opiate addiction was low when patients were in pain. The pharmaceutical industry told us that we were undertreating pain. Hospitals were pushed by the consultants and regulatory organizations to assess pain by asking the patient to rate their pain on a scale of 1-10. If the patient assessed their pain high (e.g. 8, 9 or 10) they got opiates. It didn't take patients long to figure out what number to answer.

Somewhere around 2015, the States started cracking down on pain clinics. It seems that the studies that the pharmaceutical companies had been pushing saying that we were undertreating pain and that patients in pain couldn't become addicted weren't accurate. Over the course of the 20 years between the early 90s and 2015, we had created thousands of opiate addicts who were either getting massive amounts of opiates to feed their addictions, or they were switching to street drugs like heroin. Because there was so much abuse, the States really cracked down and they changed their laws- for example, in many States you have to go to the physician's office and get a prescription for controlled substances that is printed on special paper that can't be photocopied or forged.

So now the pendulum has swung back to the way it used to be... and the amount of opiates that we prescribe is heavily monitored. Drugs that were in the lower class of controlled substances (like Vicodin) were rescheduled by the government and are now in Schedule CII which is very closely monitored by the DEA.
 
KaraBulut said:
I've been surprised at the Sackler protests. The one targeting the Guggenheim last week was surprising.

The pendulum has swung twice on this issue. We were always warned about prescribing opiates and the risk of addiction... until the early 1990s.

Somewhere around 1993, we were told that there were new studies and that the risk of opiate addiction was low when patients were in pain. The pharmaceutical industry told us that we were undertreating pain. Hospitals were pushed by the consultants and regulatory organizations to assess pain by asking the patient to rate their pain on a scale of 1-10. If the patient assessed their pain high (e.g. 8, 9 or 10) they got opiates. It didn't take patients long to figure out what number to answer.

Somewhere around 2015, the States started cracking down on pain clinics. It seems that the studies that the pharmaceutical companies had been pushing saying that we were undertreating pain and that patients in pain couldn't become addicted weren't accurate. Over the course of the 20 years between the early 90s and 2015, we had created thousands of opiate addicts who were either getting massive amounts of opiates to feed their addictions, or they were switching to street drugs like heroin. Because there was so much abuse, the States really cracked down and they changed their laws- for example, in many States you have to go to the physician's office and get a prescription for controlled substances that is printed on special paper that can't be photocopied or forged.

So now the pendulum has swung back to the way it used to be... and the amount of opiates that we prescribe is heavily monitored. Drugs that were in the lower class of controlled substances (like Vicodin) were rescheduled by the government and are now in Schedule CII which is very closely monitored by the DEA.
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Hmm... Smells like a big pharma conspiracy to me, no?
 
Be careful what you wish for. I believe that whatever you put out to the universe comes back to you three-fold.
 
pat grimshaw said:
How? Why? What's the difference?
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Naproxen Sodium is the active ingredient in Aleve, which is an over-the-counter pain medication. Basically, it is simply far too weak to do anything at all for getting rid of any major kinds of pain.

I did have a hydrocodone Rx for a while in 2017 when I was having the major sciatica issues and pain. I used it with utmost respect, and I was never at any point which even began to HINT at a possible addiction problem brewing.

I do worry, though, what will happen if I'm ever in a situation of unspeakable pain. Will I be able to get ANY relief...AT ALL?

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That said, I can't wish pain or suffering on DJT, even as much as I despise his REIGN; yes he's a king-wannabe. It was a good while ago that I realized I can't wish suffering on anybody...back when Moammar Qadaffi** (who I did not like at all) was killed by the angry Libyan protest mob. I didn't see footage of him at actual death, but I did see the parts while and after he was being beaten bloody, it really bothered me and I can't un-see it. It changed my perspectives on a number of things.

**or however you choose to spell his last name. I think somebody cruised from all possible stories about him and they found something like 113 different spellings???
 
gsdx said:
There are 644 posts in that thread. To which one are you referring?
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The whole thread in general. If OP is pissed off at Trump, he should've posted his rant on the appropriate thread.
 
I’m fact he does have something to do with the attack on medical patients. He released videos of someone breaking their hand and crashing their car for VICODIN! There was no mention of the single biggest killers, heroin andetynol. This wasn’t aimed at stopped drug abuse, it was aimed to make doctors prescribe less! Nobody is gonna crash their car and break their spine for 10 Vicodin’s!
Yes he’s not fully responsible. But he did sign a bill restricting pain relief even more, fucking us over even further



KaraBulut said:
There's no connection between either President and what is going on with opiate prescriptions. The crackdown on opiate prescriptions and pain clinics started at the State level in 2014-2015. The Feds were very slow to address the issue- primarily because the pharmaceutical industry is the largest donor in Federal elections.

Expect that it's going to be increasingly difficult to get opiates for anything but extreme pain. Unless you have a terminal illness or unless you have a referral to an anesthesiology specialist, you can expect that you will be given a very limited number of doses of opiates. Don't be surprised if you they suggest you see an addiction specialist.


He doesn't have anything to do with access to pain meds. But it's a nice thought.
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KaraBulut said:
There's no connection between either President and what is going on with opiate prescriptions. The crackdown on opiate prescriptions and pain clinics started at the State level in 2014-2015. The Feds were very slow to address the issue- primarily because the pharmaceutical industry is the largest donor in Federal elections.

Expect that it's going to be increasingly difficult to get opiates for anything but extreme pain. Unless you have a terminal illness or unless you have a referral to an anesthesiology specialist, you can expect that you will be given a very limited number of doses of opiates. Don't be surprised if you they suggest you see an addiction specialist.


He doesn't have anything to do with access to pain meds. But it's a nice thought.
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Oddly I think things will go back to the center again. The pendulum was too far one way and now it’s gone too far the other way. When people realize that the regulations are causing worse problems, things will change again but be more centered. Keeping pain relief only for dying people is ridiculous. They’ve been used for 200 years ++. God put it here for a reason.


By the way I’ve never taken opiates in my life the only thing I took were opioids. Opiates are another story and different then opioids. Would never touch an opiate. I don’t have a terminal illness but I have chronic pain to wear sometimes at night I wish I didn’t wake up in the morning. Pain doctor gave me a pain relief after fighting for six months because my psychiatrist talked to him and said that it was negatively impacting my mental health. (Has to sign a form for them to communicate.)

I don’t expect to be referred to an addiciton specialist, As they blood test me to make sure how much is in my system. My pill counts have always been on key.
 
jaynoel said:
...if you look up the definition of sociopath you'll see he also shares many other traits with those diagnosed with this disorder.
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He fits most of the criteria but he's way too thin-shinned to be a sociopath. Few sociopaths reach his age without an extensive arrest record or incarceration. His behavior is more in line with NPD:....

Overreacts to criticism, becoming angry or humiliated
Uses others to reach goals
Exaggerates own importance
Significant hair problems beginning at an early age
Entertains unrealistic fantasies about achievements, power, beauty, intelligence or romance
Has unreasonable expectation of favorable treatment
Small, ineffectual toadstool-like penis
Needs constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Is easily jealous

...but I'd guess that he's simply overflowing with character flaws.
 
KrisGreen said:
....By the way I’ve never taken opiates in my life the only thing I took were opioids. Opiates are another story and different then opioids...
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There's really no difference. It's a load of nonsense that the pharmaceutical companies have promoted along with their assurances that "this newest opioid has low potential for abuse".

They said it about meperdine (the starter drug for lots of healthcare worker-addicts). They said it about pentazocine (which quickly became a street drug since it wasn't a controlled substance at first). Ditto for butorphanol and levorphanol. They all act on the same receptors. All can result in addiction.
 
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