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"I was born this way" - whatever.

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In all these posts people keep saying: "I was born this way" and keep using it as a reason to justify that God must have designed them to be gay.

This dosent stand with me.
But some people are born blind. Some people are born deformed. Some people are born with horrible diseases. Some people are born with mental problems. And Maybe, some people are born gay. Not because thats "who they are" or because "God wanted them to be like that" but as an abnormality.

The Whole "I was born this way" argument dosen't hold water. Sure you and me might have been born this way but that dosent mean that homosexuality is a wonderful, natural thing. It could just be... that something has gone wrong.

(please, I'm not trying to offend anyone here. dont yell at me. I'm just putting across an idea and seeing what people think)
 
First, there is a whole "slippery slope" when you start declaring some things abnormal and other things normal. It is true that if you are born with some trait that is not what the majority of people are born with that you could be called abnormal. You might better look on such things as just being what they are... naturally occurring. With every trait that we are born with, there are advantages and disadvantages. If you are born blind, you obviously can not see, but you might also have heightened ability to hear and smell and taste...you might turn out to be a brilliant musical composer.

It helps if you step back from a need to think in black and white terms. Things do not have to be good or bad, right or wrong. They can simply just "be". Once you get this view, then you can go about appreciated how much each unique being is valued.
 
I've discussed this elsewhere, but I'll reiterate.

I did not choose to BE gay. I was born this way.
I DID, however, choose to LIVE gay.

Had I wanted to, I could attempt to live as straight. Date women, maybe marry one, have kids. But I severely doubt that I'd be good at it. It would NEVER be second nature to me. It would be counter to my programming, and would feel as unnatural as walking on my hands does.

Given that, one could say it's similar to being blind. Blind people don't try to live as "sighted". They don't attempt to get driver's licenses or buy standard books because that's what sighted people do. They learn Braille and whatever else, because that's how they can best get through life.

Is being gay a genetic "defect"? Possibly. But what if it is? Is it such a horrible one? It keeps the population down, it prevents unwanted pregnancies, and unlike blindness, deafness, and all the rest, those who "suffer" from it can function in society with little or no "special accomodation".

Lex
 
Ricky88 said:
In all these posts people keep saying: "I was born this way" and keep using it as a reason to justify that God must have designed them to be gay.

This dosent stand with me.
But some people are born blind. Some people are born deformed. Some people are born with horrible diseases. Some people are born with mental problems. And Maybe, some people are born gay. Not because thats "who they are" or because "God wanted them to be like that" but as an abnormality (my emphasis).

The Whole "I was born this way" argument dosen't hold water. Sure you and me might have been born this way but that dosent mean that homosexuality is a wonderful, natural thing. It could just be... that something has gone wrong.

(please, I'm not trying to offend anyone here. dont yell at me. I'm just putting across an idea and seeing what people think)
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Something gone wrong??

Virtually all definitions of abnormal/normal are artificial constructs.

50 years ago homosexuality was defined throughout the western world as being both a sickness and illegal. Now, at least in most areas, it is neither. It is not homosexuality that has changed, it is societies artificial constructs. Society examined them and found they were not true.

Well, I say society, I mean the enlightened parts of society. Sadly most of society remains pig ignorant and in the dark ages.

Who do you want to listen to?
 
Let's assume homosexuality is abnormal and God didn't "intend" for us to be this way. Does it change the fact that you're still gay?
 
Out of curiosity, does anyone believe that heterosexuality is a wonderful natural thing?

I'm with ThePianist- sometimes things just "are"...

Tired, indeed. :-)
 
Ricky88....I don't understand the problem?!

If you feel that your not normal, then you should maybe seek some help to help you get over this fear of not fitting in. Cause really...what is "normal'?
 
>>>Cause really...what is "normal'?

"Not me."

That I think is part of the issue, with some people anyway. (Ricky may fit into this group as well.) There's this belief that there's something holding us back, that if only we were "just like everybody else", everything would be smooth sailing. And that can "lack of normalcy" can take so many different forms - being a minority, short, fat, small-dicked, poor, timid, homosexual. But it's bullshit. Everyone's got their own shit to deal with. Sure, some people have it easier than others, but nobody has a totally smooth path from cradle to grave. It's possible for one guy who has it all to be seriously derailed by a pimple on his nose, whereas someone else with a host of issues can handle losing a job without batting an eyelash.

And even so. What IF life would be easier if you weren't gay, small-dicked, or whatever else? Whatcha gonna do about it?

I've told this story before here, but I'll do it again. In one middle school class, every student was given four poker chips. Each one was assigned a different value, and the more of each you had, the more they were worth. So having one blue chip was worth 10, but having four was worth 100. The blue ones were worth the least, then the reds, the greens, and the yellows were worth the most. So we're all given these poker chips, and it's up to us to trade with other students and see how much we can end up with.

I looked at my four chips. Two red, two blue. That's the worst you can possibly get.

I had two options at this point. I could bitch about the sheer unfairness of it all, how horrible it was that I got these crappy chips while other people got all the valuable ones. Or I could start trading.

I chose to start trading.

By the end of class, I had four green chips.

So...what are you gonna do with your chips?

Lex
 
whoever wrote that doesnt know jack.Where all meant to be different if we were all the same than this world would really suck.i a million times would prefer to be the crazy confused person i am than to be the same as everyone else.:wave:
 
I was definitely born this way. It's like G-Lexington said, I didn't choose to be gay but I am choosing to embrace it because ignoring it really just isn't an option. I don't want to make my life EVEN harder by forcing myself to be straight. As hard as being gay is, I think it would be worse to purposely not be yourself and lie to yourself and everybody else for the rest of your life. It would be worse to deny yourself happiness for the rest of your life. I personally know I would be absolutely miserable. I don't know if I should pity or give kudos to gay men who live their life as heterosexual because of all the stuff they must feel inside. So that is why there really isn't an option. Not unless you want your life to be even worse.
 
People were also born with high I.Q.'s and great looks. Some weren't. Good or bad we come to the table with something we were born with. You can't say we weren't born this way cause I don't remember sitting down and thinking it over. You aren't part of the christian right who stumbled onto this site are you? Are you gay? did you choose? I never met a man who woke up one day and thought ,"why not be gay?'. the glass doesn't have to be half empty.
 
It's a shame that you liken homosexuality to a horrible deformity. If that's the case should I qualify for governmental assistance? Or get preferential parking at the mall?
In all seriousness, I honestly feel that I was born gay. I remember telling my mom when I was little that I wanted to marry Han Solo. She said I couldn't and I didn't understand why not.
I was born gay. I will die gay. And I don't believe that I was "made" by God. I just am. I don't feel that I'm part of some higher being's master plan for the world.
If being gay is a choice, then so is being straight. Try asking the next straight man you come across what guy he would bottom for. If he answers you, then we can talk about choice.
 
The_Pianist said:
About 60% of the world's population is Asian. This means being Asian is normal and other ethnicities are abnormal.

Brown eyes are the dominant eye colour and therefore, normal. Other eye colours are abnormal.

Right handedness is predominant in the majority of the world's population, they're normal. Lefties are abnormal.

And etc. etc. etc.

If a homosexual is in a career/job, pays taxes, drives the economy, contributes to the sciences, the arts, the humanities, by ANY means, and has some degree of POSitive impact on society, and so on and so forth why it should fucking matter WHO he/she falls in loves, and has sex with?

This "argument" is getting tired.
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OMG! I know a white guy, thats left handed, has blue/green eyes, and is gay! he is also 6'4! thats not the average height! lol, god must hate him!...im 3 out of five those, im 6'3 though...so i am still abnormal there I suppose.

You know what poster? dont care to look back at the name right now...its only abnormal...because society looks at it as abnormal. If everyone was 100% accepting of it,

then

it would be no different then someone really liking Coke and hating pepsi, and someone liking pepsi and hating coke. Even though both soft drinks are generally the same, their tastes are a little different, and some people like olny one or the other, but people dont shun one or the other from society for being different.

why cant gay and straight be like that?
 
1) How is being gay unnatural, especially if you acknowledge that people are born that way? Homosexuality is even found in the animal world. Are you saying that's not natural?

2) What's wrong with something being unnatural? Styrofoam cups are unnatural. Shaving is unnatural. And computers and televisions and cell phones. If you want to attach moral significance to whether or not something is "natural", then you must think damn near every aspect of our society is wrong.

3) What difference does it make if homosexuality is some kind of condition or a defect? Acknowledging yourself as an abnormality or a mutant or whatever isn't going to make you any less gay.

4) Maybe God wants some people to be abnormal?
 
Isn't being heterosexual or homosexual something that has already been scientifically proven to be genetic? Hasn't it already been proven and stated by scientists and genetists and what-not that your sexual orientation is in fact something you DON'T have any control over, and that it's just something your born with or without?

And if that's so, then why do people STILL insist on fighting this? It's been scientifically proven. No one decides who their attracted to.

And why is it that gay men are accused of having this choice, but when the finger is pointed at a straight man, they deny the idea all together? We had the choice of being attracted to women, but they NEVER had the choice of being attracted to other men. *rolls eyes* It's as if the rule is constituted for us, but not for them.

/le sigh
 
MoDo88 said:
Isn't being heterosexual or homosexual something that has already been scientifically proven to be genetic? Hasn't it already been proven and stated by scientists and genetists and what-not that your sexual orientation is in fact something you DON'T have any control over, and that it's just something your born with or without?

And if that's so, then why do people STILL insist on fighting this? It's been scientifically proven. No one decides who their attracted to.

And why is it that gay men are accused of having this choice, but when the finger is pointed at a straight man, they deny the idea all together? We had the choice of being attracted to women, but they NEVER had the choice of being attracted to other men. *rolls eyes* It's as if the rule is constituted for us, but not for them.

/le sigh
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Unfortunately the reign of bigotry still continues in everyday society. People push aside common sense and scientific proof in favour of their own deluded medieval-inspired ideas.

I think the very fact that homosexuals roam free in this world means they can't be a 'mistake'.
 
I'd never to choose to be gay period.
I mean, who the fuck would want to be? With all the social stereotypes and non acceptance / doubt.

I choose to be gay now, because I was made gay. I can't choose to be straight even if I wanted to!

So Ricky88 please reconsider these thoughts because I think it's quite.. deformed :). It's like youre not gay yourself or youre really straight and you just won't ever understand. I'm young but I've definitely been through the hardships of self-acceptance. And coming out is still an impending thought.
 
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