If hitler was born closer to the new millenium, would he pass a modern litmus test??

[fabulouslyghetto]

Fuck yes. He definitely would've found a home in conservative, anti-woke America.

"Ohhhh, can't speak your mind anymore cuz you hurt the liberals' feelings. The woke mob wants to cancel him just because he's not PC. Well I'm gonna donate $600 to his campaign cuz something something free speech!"

It's actually quite frightening how many of his ideals and American ideals are congruent.

-minorities are terrible and can only be policed with violence
-it's ok to say bad things about entire groups of people, that's just keepin it real!!
-rabid nationalism
-some groups are superior to others, and the others weaken society
-arm yourselves to seize power

 

[cityboy-stl]

I am totally convinced the vast majority of supporters and voters for Der Trumpenführer, if they had lived in Germany in 1933, would have voted for Der Führer.

 

[cabinfever]

I am not a fan of the far right or the far left and I don't see any way to avoid what I am certain is going to happen. Enjoy your life now -

They both want to ban books and cartoon characters - each one thinking their "cancel choices" are correct for everyone else. They both want to be the thought police. Disagreeing with anyone on either side of these gates from hell is useless - they both are completely convinced they are correct about everything - NOT a good sign of what is going to erupt in the future.

My way or the highway is never a good approach.

(PS - I was always considered by others and by myself as far left but now - not so much - I'm not into being the thought police.)

 

[Peloso]

He would have to rethink his look because that moustache wouldn't go over too well nowadays.

I'm thinking a french fork with some dark glasses and a pair of khakis might be to die for.

 

[cityboy-stl]

I am not a fan of the far right or the far left and I don't see any way to avoid what I am certain is going to happen. Enjoy your life now -

They both want to ban books and cartoon characters - each one thinking their "cancel choices" are correct for everyone else. They both want to be the thought police. Disagreeing with anyone on either side of these gates from hell is useless - they both are completely convinced they are correct about everything - NOT a good sign of what is going to erupt in the future.

My way or the highway is never a good approach.

(PS - I was always considered by others and by myself as far left but now - not so much - I'm not into being the thought police.)

As a liberal, I am completely open to listening to and discussing honest, intelligent, rational conservative speakers. I welcome other well-thought-out opposing political views.

But there are some things I will not tolerate.

They are:
1. Irrational conspiracy theories and frauds.
2. Mindless denial of facts and rejection of reality and science.
3. Bald-faced lies, disinformation, incoherent bad-faith rants, contempt for those unlike yourself.
4. Fascist, white-supremacist, and theocratic bigotry, along with every ism and phobia known to humanity.
5. Seditious, insurrectionist, anti-government militias, and Nazi hate groups, spewing propaganda to deceive victims into joining their traitorous movements.

Too often, "conservatism" is a masquerade for intolerance, ignorance, stupidity, falsehood, deliberate disinformation, and out-and-out hate.

I will not give credibility to such things by engaging in a conversation like it's an honest political debate. It is not, and it never works.

Sorry, but yes, when it comes to "disagreeing" with the other side when they engage in those arguments, I am on the right side, and they are not.
When they say things like global warming is not real, the election was stolen, there are microchips in the covid vaccine, there is another side to the holocaust etc.; no, they are objectively wrong.

If you want to debate, you must make a good-faith effort to be factual and honest, grounded in reality and truth, supported by verifiable evidence, be willing to listen.

The thing is, on the left, the far-left is a loud but distinct minority that overall does not have a great amount of influence; and I do not care much for their actions either.
But on the right, except for a small minority, basically the entire republican party is far right, and mostly what you hear, is what I described.

 

[nycguydowntown]

I am not a fan of the far right or the far left and I don't see any way to avoid what I am certain is going to happen. Enjoy your life now -

They both want to ban books and cartoon characters - each one thinking their "cancel choices" are correct for everyone else. They both want to be the thought police. Disagreeing with anyone on either side of these gates from hell is useless - they both are completely convinced they are correct about everything - NOT a good sign of what is going to erupt in the future.

My way or the highway is never a good approach.

(PS - I was always considered by others and by myself as far left but now - not so much - I'm not into being the thought police.)

well said---

and yes Hiler would be popular---frying innocent people in gas chambers still might not go over well for some normal people.

 

[unloadonme]

well said---

and yes Hiler would be popular---frying innocent people in gas chambers still might not go over well for some normal people.

Yes, but if Hitler was alive today, he wouldn't also have been Führer in the 1930s and 40s and wouldn't have been responsible for the Holocaust or any of the other horrors from WWII.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

(PS - I was always considered by others and by myself as far left but now - not so much - I'm not into being the thought police.)

We didn't police thoughts in 1930s Germany and millions of Jews, Sinti, Roma, et cetera people died because of it. There has to be a reasonable space between "Allow free thinking" and tolerating the kind of propaganda that led to people being shoved into gas chambers by the state. There has to be or we're FUCKED.

 

[NotHardUp1]

It is really REALLY hard to get past the death of the subjunctive case, and it wasn't even fascism that killed it, just plain old poor study skills.

We could actually do something about that. The Hitler question is (im)purely hypothetical by comparison, but still serves the JUB-favored host medium of creating ever more division, even using straw men, and must we invoke Godwin's Law?

 

[cityboy-stl]

We didn't police thoughts in 1930s Germany and millions of Jews, Sinti, Roma, et cetera people died because of it. There has to be a reasonable space between "Allow free thinking" and tolerating the kind of propaganda that led to people being shoved into gas chambers by the state. There has to be or we're FUCKED.

The Paradox of Tolerance

The Paradox of Tolerance: The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

 

[cityboy-stl]

It is really REALLY hard to get past the death of the subjunctive case, and it wasn't even fascism that killed it, just plain old poor study skills.

We could actually do something about that. The Hitler question is (im)purely hypothetical by comparison, but still serves the JUB-favored host medium of creating ever more division, even using straw men, and must we invoke Godwin's Law?

Godwin's Law is null and void when you have actual Nazis marching in the streets, and people condoning and promoting Nazi ideals running for, and in Congress.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

well said---

and yes Hiler would be popular---frying innocent people in gas chambers still might not go over well for some normal people.

But the language that led to frying innocent people in gas chambers would be defended as free speech. The Holocaust didn't start with concentration camps it started with "Let me tell you how terrible non-whites are and what a burden they are on society." Gosh, that sounds really fuckin familiar I must say.

If minorities were protected as aggressively and passionately as the right to hate them and spread propaganda that dehumanizes them is, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Hatred for minorities: "Well I may not agree but they have a right to think as they choose."

Protect minorities: "Listen here buddy, you can't control people's thoughts you evil merciless tyrant!"

1,000 years from now our enlightened descendants will marvel at our culture and politics, it will read like a horror movie to them. We'll definitely be the "don't" example of how to be a society.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

It is really REALLY hard to get past the death of the subjunctive case, and it wasn't even fascism that killed it, just plain old poor study skills.

We could actually do something about that. The Hitler question is (im)purely hypothetical by comparison, but still serves the JUB-favored host medium of creating ever more division, even using straw men, and must we invoke Godwin's Law?

Ahh yes, the "Confronting bigotry is bigotry" theory. Somehow I'm able to have these conversations with many people, and have for many years, without them feeling like it's some sort of personal attack. I'll leave the "how" and "why" to your imagination.

 

[pornoboy]

this thread is as ridiculous as this pic...

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[fabulouslyghetto]

^

 

[NotHardUp1]

Godwin's Law is null and void when you have actual Nazis marching in the streets, and people condoning and promoting Nazi ideals running for, and in Congress.

WERE that to be relevant, Americans can and have risen to oppose them.

As it is, the hyping of the conservatives as being all rabid Nazis is a dog that just won't hunt, despite the exaggerated rhetoric that followed the Charlottesville fiasco. That the march happened and was reprehensible, is incontrovertible.

That it was particularly significant, is not.

And, the more the far left tries to imply that the demographic center of the country is little progressed from the racial animus of the 50's and 60's, the more it loses credibility as fast as Rudy Giuliani peddling The Big Lie.

The majority of the Trumptards are not fascists or Nazis. They are conservative, and reactionary. There's a huge difference.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

WERE that to be relevant, Americans can and have risen to oppose them.

Not as aggressively as they've opposed black civil rights protestors, between the two groups which one is more comfortable marching?

As it is, the hyping of the conservatives as being all rabid Nazis is a dog that just won't hunt, despite the exaggerated rhetoric that followed the Charlottesville fiasco. That the march happened and was reprehensible, is incontrovertible.

"Some not all" is the dying gasp of an argument with no legs.

And, the more the far left tries to imply that the demographic center of the country is little progressed from the racial animus of the 50's and 60's, the more it loses credibility as fast as Rudy Giuliani peddling The Big Lie.

Shocker: You're not the authority to proclaim us a racism-free zone. Denial is an intricate part of upholding systemic racism.

The majority of the Trumptards are not fascists or Nazis. They are conservative, and reactionary. There's a huge difference.

Doesn't matter if it's a majority or if it's 3, that's 3 too many and once the 3 have been identified to the 30,000, if they're not emphatically booted, that's 30,000 accomplices. If the neo nazis were, as you put it, being opposed, they wouldn't still be comfortable waving flags at your rallies.

The denial is very loud and very damning.

*cop shoots unarmed black man

There's no racism going on!

*black man arrested for watering neighbor's flowers

You guys are blowing this out of proportion!

*mass incarceration

Everything is fair and equal and sunny now.

*Brooklyn NY domestic terrorist mass shooting

We're really a color-blind nation that just had a small fringe of extremists

*websites host white nationalists who openly post racist murder manifestos

Black people are safe here, they really are!

*politicians pass voter suppression laws

This is democracy, you're welcome by the way.

*politicians scrub racist crimes against humanity from the history books

Nothing to see here people!

*mosque attack

Everything's sunny on this side of the street!

*mass shooting in predominantly jewish town

The neo nazi movement isn't a real thing.

*migrants detainment camps

Racism? What racism?

*hurricane katrina

Minorities are not systemically being exterminated!

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

*Gentle reminder, BLM are called terrorists, arrested, pepper-sprayed, neo nazis are escorted and protected. It's getting harder and harder to convince people these things aren't happening cuz, ya know, it's all playing out on live national television.

 

[cabinfever]

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