I'm a gay conservative?

[LGNTexas]

I was raised conservative and Cathoic, but when at age 26 I realized I was gay, and came out of the closet, I was shunned by many of my former conservative friends and family. So becoming a liberal atheist is where I am happy now. I don't wish to belong to any group whose members hate me.

 

[EwanSF]

Sorry dude, but we call that a sell out round these parts.

 

[TimT2011]

Sorry dude, but we call that a sell out round these parts.

Don't we all want to be accepted for who we are? Then why can't we accept differences amongst ourselves?

What does being gay have to do with your beliefs on spending policies, military deployment, etc., etc. Nothing.

Neither party has been great for us. Don't Ask, Don't Tell was instituted by a Democrat President. It is in the process of being repealed by a Democrat President, who put so many stipulations on it being repealed some are very concerned it won't ever be.

I hope there are gay people in EVERY political party. We need representation. Our just being there humanizes us and gives us a voice, no matter the current political climate.

In don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green Party, whatever. If you're active and honest, you're benefiting us all.

 

[EwanSF]

Don't we all want to be accepted for who we are? Then why can't we accept differences amongst ourselves?

What does being gay have to do with your beliefs on spending policies, military deployment, etc., etc. Nothing.

Neither party has been great for us. Don't Ask, Don't Tell was instituted by a Democrat President. It is in the process of being repealed by a Democrat President, who put so many stipulations on it being repealed some are very concerned it won't ever be.

I hope there are gay people in EVERY political party. We need representation. Our just being there humanizes us and gives us a voice, no matter the current political climate.

In don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green Party, whatever. If you're active and honest, you're benefiting us all.

I tend to think of the world in very black and white terms. If you've joined a side that traditionaly shits all over us that makes you the enemy too.

 

[TheyCallMeMoto]

I tend to think of the world in very black and white terms. If you've joined a side that traditionaly shits all over us that makes you the enemy too.

That's a very naive way to look at the world.

 

[TimT2011]

I tend to think of the world in very black and white terms. If you've joined a side that traditionaly shits all over us that makes you the enemy too.

When I was younger, I thought life was pretty black and white too.

Then life happened and I saw it actually is quite muddled. I may have said this before, but I'll repeat it. When I finally came out, I expected all my liberal friends to embrace me and my conservative friends to hate me and give me phone numbers for therapy.

That didn't happen. I lost friends on both sides, but I cannot name one liberal friend who knew me prior who still knows me now. They had the most visceral, disgusting responses. They're also the ones who voted for our current President, but still call him the N word.

Do I hate all Democrats and liberals as a result? Looking at my perspective, that would be MY black and white, right?

I don't hate them. Since then, I've met many in that camp who are wonderful. One of them is probably the best friend I've ever had and would do anything for.

If I treat people in a black and white way, what is the likely-hood they'll do the same to me? I would have never made those friendships if I clung to a black and white view.

If you live life full of anger and call people your enemy, you get nowhere and you get blindsided when the people who you believe should be your friends stab you in the back. I've been there, I'm not going back, life is so much better on this side.

Tim

 

[tonyboy]

Ok, so I just went to my History of Civilization class and we went through chapter 23, it's about "ism."

That's when I really learn about conservatism vs. liberalism
marxism
nationalism
socialism
fascism, etc

The teacher spread out platform agenda for today's political conservative and liberal. I realize, I do have a lot of similarity in conservative issue except that I'm gay, I don't believe in religion and pro choice. I agree with the rest of issue in conservative choice.

A gay with military uniform, that's me and I embrace myself thoroughly because I like what society had been set on stone before. I wish we don't change it.
I'm not a hypocrite or kissing someone's ass like many of you might think, but why many gays are totally out there liberal and crush everyone who's not support hippie way of life?

That's why my masculinity role also fix in conservative way, I think being conservative is the best way of life, Idk...

I"m with you my friend..
I too am a gay man that has conservative beliefs... mostly on the political side, but some one the social side as well.
Gay guys that are conversative get ridiculed all the time... hell try going on the jub political forum and see how much understanding yu get for trying to explain your views...
Perhaps the gay jubbers are just not as understanding of another point of view as are other gay folks. I don't know.
Being gay does not have to mean being politically liberal.
Even among older gay guys I know, well they would choke before would admit that Ronald Reagan was a great president.
It beats me how SOME gay guys want equality for themselves, but won't accept a different way of thinking among gay guys that don't agree with them.

Hell, there are many gay guys that have wanted to serve in the US Military. I've written to several of them here on jub. One of the best of them is a Captain in the US Airforce.. lives with his b/f. He's gay. and he fights for his country.

If anyone reads this (and I doubt the will) I most likley will get some flack for writing this..
I agree with joswan though.
There are many gay converatives in this world.. But for some reason the gay guys on he other side won't allow a decent, respectful conversation over the issues..
well that's it for me.
tonyboy

 

[EwanSF]

That's a very naive way to look at the world.

Wrong. It's simply uncompromising. I have little to no time for those that support parties that exist to make the rich richer, keep the working class stupid by robbing the education system (a lot worse on your side of the pond, the Tea Party, Freedom Works, Americans for prosperity and all these other front groups for ultra-libertarian billionaires, want to abolish your department of education, which will cripple public schooling, ensuring only the wealthy get anything approaching a real education.) Capitalism is simply a more advanced form of feudalism, we're supposed to be past that shit. That is why I have no tollerance for sellouts (which includes democrats by the way, they have big buisiness hanging out the back of them, baw-deep as well.

And usualy with fiscal conservatism comes the revolting, moralising, finger-wagging cunts, that not only want to keep the majority of the population as close to, or under the breadline as possible, hungry and stupid, but want to control their behaviour as well. They want to tell us we're moraly bankrupt because of who we fuck. They want to tell me I'm a social deviant because I ingest drugs on their, unscientific, moral-panic induced, banned substances list. Fuck them all, fuck them in their, stupid, holier-than-thou arses.

And that is why I will not sell out my values, by giving a modicum of respect to people that support this corrupt, corporate run political oligarchy, throughout the western world, who's financial perogative is to crush the people, at the expense of the few, not a fucking single difference from the middle-ages, and who's continual mouthing of about homosexuality and "drug abuse", justifies the abuse and murder of gay men and women, and result in the pointless imprisonment of people who were simply exercising the right to do what they want with their own body. The US uses said innocent prisoners as slave labour by the way, please look it up.

To sum up, gay conservatives of any ilk, Republicans, Tories, UKIP supporters and members, Fascists and Neo-Nazis, are all treacherous fucking scum. The left is the only way to go for gay people. The others distrust and despise you.

 

[TimT2011]

Joswan, I just wanted to say one last thing on this topic to you.

You originally said you were gay and thoroughly embraced yourself. Well, as much as you won't allow others to dictate who you choose to love, also don't allow them to tell you what to think.

The straight person who tells you to only love women and the gay person who demands you agree with them in order to be accepted are no different, they are cut from the exact same cloth. If you're not willing to listen to one, then why worry about the other?

Besides, nobody here, including myself, or any other person you meet in real life is omniscient. So you have to trust and be yourself, whatever that is, it's the only way you'll ever be happy and the only way you'll ever make a difference.

Your friend,
Tim

 

[TX-Beau]

OK all you gay conservatives out there who are tired of taking the crap us liberal homosexuals throw at you, well, we're tired of your martyr complex.

We don't care how conservative you are, we don't care if you suck Regan's cock, we don't care if you join the NRA.

What we care about, is if you vote to put in power people who think even you are a socially undesirable deviant pervert going straight to hell.

Why do we care about that? Because these people use their power for things other than supply side economics, and you're the fag they spit upon, that helped get them elected to the power necessary to fuck with my life.

That's all, nothing else.

If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

 

[EwanSF]

Good to see you again man.

 

[TX-Beau]

You to, how's life in the big city?

 

[Keelandson]

You're buying into the conservative mindset and Big Lie that being anything else makes you a hippie, and since you're not, you're a conservative.

Black, white; for us or against us; liberal or conservative, with liberal being the first seven-letter four-letter word.

 

[bankside]

I support free markets and balanced budgets. You don't need to hate gay people or restrict their choices and freedoms to do that, or provide special privileges to religious people either. Yet a lot of conservatives can't figure that out, and it keeps me from ever supporting them.

 

[EwanSF]

You to, how's life in the big city?

A whole bunch better than Hicksville

 

[Kulindahr]

I support free markets and balanced budgets. You don't need to hate gay people or restrict their choices and freedoms to do that, or provide special privileges to religious people either. Yet a lot of conservatives can't figure that out, and it keeps me from ever supporting them.

Which is why gays should be libertarians, but never Republicans. The GOP are owned by forces which want destruction not merely of gays, but of any powers which would allow the people to stand as equals to the plutocratic elite. Rank and file Republicans may not realize the second part, but almost invariably they buy into a position where the government not only may, but has a duty to, impose a certain set of morals based on a certain religious view, upon everyone, by the instrument of raw force.

 

[bankside]

Which is why gays should be libertarians, but never Republicans.

Of course I'm not a republican; I'm a loyal monarchist. Anything else would be a treasonous betrayal of parliamentary democracy.

I don't see why gay people should be "libertarians". Gay people can be whatever they want in this regard. What's wrong with me being a social democrat? Does that go up against my sexual orientation? No. So I don't see why I should be restricted to libertarianism.

I'm afraid I'm no more of a democrat than I am a republican. I don't think it matters that people can be whatever they want when they're wrong. I do believe a lot of the questions regularly aired in the political field are actually not subject to opinion, but are actually questions to which there are objectively correct answers.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't see why gay people should be "libertarians". Gay people can be whatever they want in this regard. What's wrong with me being a social democrat? Does that go up against my sexual orientation? No. So I don't see why I should be restricted to libertarianism.

Republicans are social democrats?

News to me.

 

[Kulindahr]

I believe people misunderstood what I meant. Social democrat does not refer to the democratic party. The closest comparison could be the SPD in Germany.

And where on earth did I say republicans were social democrats? Republicans are social conservatives/authoritarians. All I said is that gay people don't have to be libertarians. Next time don't misread what I say please.

Sheesh. There is a lot more than just the "democratic" and "republican" parties. Open your mind a bit.

You're the guy who said gay people have to be libertarians.

Why should we?

I read what you said in the context in which it was said, specifically the only two categories under discussion: libertarians or Republicans. Since you were rejecting gays being libertarians, in context you were talking about Republicans.

Democrats don't enter into it; they were not under discussion.

 

[Kulindahr]

I was addressing the poster in my original post. I said he could believe in whatever political belief system he wanted, while also bringing up my own. It's obvious and people will know what I'm talking about.

Okay. So your claim is that this:

I don't see why gay people should be "libertarians". Gay people can be whatever they want in this regard. What's wrong with me being a social democrat? Does that go up against my sexual orientation? No. So I don't see why I should be restricted to libertarianism.

Is obviously related to this:

Ok, so I just went to my History of Civilization class and we went through chapter 23, it's about "ism."

That's when I really learn about conservatism vs. liberalism
marxism
nationalism
socialism
fascism, etc

The teacher spread out platform agenda for today's political conservative and liberal. I realize, I do have a lot of similarity in conservative issue except that I'm gay, I don't believe in religion and pro choice. I agree with the rest of issue in conservative choice.

A gay with military uniform, that's me and I embrace myself thoroughly because I like what society had been set on stone before. I wish we don't change it.
I'm not a hypocrite or kissing someone's ass like many of you might think, but why many gays are totally out there liberal and crush everyone who's not support hippie way of life?

That's why my masculinity role also fix in conservative way, I think being conservative is the best way of life, Idk...

I don't see the obvious connection.

You have no right to talk to me like that. You're just being outright rude.

So you don't like your statements held up to logical scrutiny -- you think it's rude that others should ask you to make sense.

Interesting.

Maybe you should use the quote function so we know what you're talking about, instead of just making statements out of the blue.