IM having trouble understanding life at all.

[begood100]

First of all, why does there have to be all this fuss about being gay, bi, lesbian, or whatever. Were all just people who have different tastes.Im not sure why there has to be gay pride parades, or rainbows and all that shit. I think that is one reason why many people avoid ever coming out. The rainbow, which used to beassociated with the cereal Lucky Charms now supposedly means "I'm Gay"

Its all to commercial and cheesy and it is bugging the hell out of me. I like girls, and i like guys, but hey, i dont make a fuss out of it.

I just wish all this Rainbow Shit would go away, because as i mentioned, that is one of the reasons closeted people never come out. Why should it have to come to the law when it comes to saying, hey this is my bf jeff instead this is my gf erin.

There are people here who probably dont agree with me, but im speaking my opinion. So there.

 

[gsdx]

Actually, I think it is a result of all the persecution which many people have endured throughout the centuries. Two recent events are the symbols which Jews and homosexuals were forced to wear during World War II.

The symbols used today (rainbow, etc.) are a symbol of pride rather than symbols of persecution. It's a 'protest' if you will.

At least that's what I think.

 

[Swellegant]

Oh, Christ, not this again.

If you don't like it, don't participate in it. If you don't want to make a big deal of your bisexuality, don't. Nobody's holding a gun to your head (except the bigots who want you to pretend to be straight). I don't remember coming to your house and dragging you out to march in the parade.

It's not like you were going to go around dressed in rainbows to advertise your devotion to Lucky Charms, were you? (Oh, and the gay rainbow was around before Lucky Charms, just so's you know) Are we making you hide your My Little Pony collection for fear someone will think you're gay? Somehow I doubt it.

So what's your beef, exactly?

Here's something I'd like you to think about: why do people make a big deal of their birthdays? I don't care much about my birthday, it's just another day of the year and rather inconveniently placed smack in between Christmas and New Year's Eve. So I don't celebrate my birthday... but I also don't shit on people who do. My best friend starts celebrating her mid-September birthday sometime in August and doesn't usually give up until Thanksgiving. It's what she likes.

With gay pride, it's something that many of us need, something we believe in, something from which we derive strength and community and purpose. We celebrate our victories and we look forward to a future in which gay pride becomes human pride.

If it doesn't do that for you, then bugger off and do something that makes you happy. We're fine as we are.

 

[1gayguy]

Lables, at least in the States, are what we ive for. I'm not saying I agree or that it's right, it just is.
The Rainbow, the pink triangle and other symbols, can help some when they first come out. It gives them something to identify with. When they see another symbol, be it on a car or building, let's them know they are not alone. So like it or not, they can serve a good purpose.
Can they be used in a negative way? Absolutely, as can many other symbols outside of the community. An American Flag hung upside down or burning can cause an uproar. A rainbow flag can be used to identify someone as being gay and could lead to a negative outcome depending on circumstance.
It is the world we live in, like it or not, it's all we have. Make the best of it.

 

[Horschallen]

It is the bisexuals who do not understand all the propoganda about gayness. Just stay home while we celebrate ourselves. And noone is supposed to understand life anyway... it is the journey.

 

[Marbas]

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@Robert~Marlene

 

[natedogg323]

I agree with you on one point. I hate labels. I wish there wasn't such a thing as gay, bi, straight. Just we fell in love with whom ever we wished too.
But pride and rainbows and our love for Cher all serve one purpose. See, unfortunately we do live in a society that labels and if you don't fall into the norm there are major criticisms and set backs. We put on pride parades and fight to get shows like Will and Grace on t.v. We fight for that gay kiss to be aired during prime time so that we make the world understand that we're here and we're just like them. If we didn't put ourselves out there and have organized events we would be forced to live behind closed doors and never allowed to show our love in public. It would be the 50's all over again.

At least thats what I think. By the way...your not required to participate but you owe a lot of people some respect for going out there and paving the way for your ever growing freedom as a bi/gay male.

 

[motherfather]

How I look at it:

'gay pride parades' = to show the world we are proud to be homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders. to celebrate ourselves and others

'rainbows' = equality and happiness. its many colors co-existing beautifully and also in-sync can be used to represent other causes like race/religion cohesion.

'all that shit' = stuff that many others and I believe in to make life more bearable, to know that I am not alone and that there are others with me.

If you don't like it.... then just don't like it. But i like it. It means something to me. it is not as if we are forcing you to accept this events and symbols. Find your own event/symbol to better represent you.

 

[motherfather]

and if we let 'rainbow symbols' and 'pride parades' get in our way of achieving equality for all gays and bisexuals...then we are doomed from start.

 

[Ministerx]

I being sarcastic when I say "Don't vote, Don't shop, Don't Get sick, and Don't get married."

Pride is in our blood. If we don't fight now with rainbows and triangles, we are going to have to remain silent. Probably wind up in prison for when they put up sodomy laws again.

I can say that Heterosexual media is all alround us. It's a breathe of fresh air when somebody comes out of the closet. That's my opinion.

 

[davy]

symbols are powerful things to people. we rally around them, get strength from them, build a community and culture around them and use them to identify ourselves. that's all the rainbow flag is.

 

[Christopher123]

First of all, why does there have to be all this fuss about being gay, bi, lesbian, or whatever. Were all just people who have different tastes.

But that's not how a lot of society sees us.

Yes, to us, we're just people.

To much of society we're fags.

And that's all.

 

[interesting]

^ uhmmm, but we are fags????

















oh I get it now, never mind

 

[Christopher123]

^ uhmmm, but we are fags????

oh I get it now, never mind

I certainly hope so.

My point was that, to much of society, that's ALL we are. We're not human. We're not people. We're not intelligent mammals that are able to think and feel.

We're fags.

And nothing more.

 

[Smitho]

Robert Marlene - Another excellent post, I agree.

And I would add there is also a practical element, when in a new city, possibly not speaking the same language, and you see the international symbol of the flag around an establishment, hotel, Guest house, bar, restaurant, whatever, you know that you have found friends, who at least you have something in common with, and provide you with a common bond, we are all gay. Ok, I don't use only gay establishments, but sometimes its nice to relax in a place you can be yourself, and meet others as well. It shows you, that you belong.

 

[valis23]

I thought the whole rainbow thing was over and done with. Shows how in touch I am with the gay community. Funny thing is, I never owned a rainbow anything.
I'm old enough to remember the hanky codes, too. Those were interesting. How to you let yourself be known to the other fags out there, and yet not let the straights know what's going on? How do we make ourselves visible and invisible at the same time? After all, we have to be visible on some level, or we'll never find someone to love -or fuck. Of course the hanky code lasted about 15 minutes. Publicizing the code so fags would know it allowed the code to fall into enemy hands. Then suddenly being spotted with a hanky of any color or pattern anywhere on your person was as good as wearing a goddam rainbow flag over your head -or a pink triangle on your lapel. People of all persuasions quit wearing hankies lest they be branded as fags.
Thank (insert higher power here) the pride movement finally caught on. Harvey Fierstein's "visibility at any price" philosophy was right. In requiring people to acknowledge our presence, our contributions to society, and our value as human beings has done more to foster our acceptance than anything in the last 2000 years. The rainbow was a valuable part of that.
As has been said, if you don't like it, don't buy it, but I won't begrudge the Pride movement any tool necessary to keep moving us forward.

 

[Croynan]

Well i shall try again, as i just lost my original posting. You seem to have a lot of issues on your mind, though you probably are asleep right now as i make this posting.

From your other thread.

Fact: It doesnt matter if a guy is gay or straight, he is always horny. Anyone agree with me?

Now between these two threads you have raised some major issues. What i guess i am having trouble with is why post these both at the same time? Unless i am mistaken, each in their own way indicate some issues you have regarding "sexuality as a whole" (pardon the poor pun) or that you individually have sexual issues which you are trying to address on an open forum.

Doing so on an open forum is going to get you a lot of different responses but i am not sure that you will actually be achieving your goal(s) - what ever they may be.

I would think, and for me to say that is a major accomplishment that if you were truly seriously concerned about these various issues you have chosen to raise - some sort of professional help might be more useful, then just the random opinions of a bunch of homosexuals who you have no ideas about their individual backgrounds and how they have formed their views and opinions you are seeing.

just a few mere worthless observations from the local village idiot who often marvels when such major issues appear as a thread - not just once but time and again. ​

eM. ​

 

[justjoshoh]

Gay Pride Events Should Be Banned[/URL]"]
"Isn't there anyone out there who can tell me what gay pride is all about?"

"Sure, Charlie Brown, I can tell you. Lights please."

"And there were on the early morning of June 28, 1969, many a lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer persons rioting in the streets of Greenwich Village near the Stonewall Inn. These rioters upset at a raid of a gay bar stepped up and resisted arrest and begun what is referred to as the modern LGBT rights movement.

A year afterward, a march from Greenwich Village to Central Park commemorated the acts of these individuals, as did marchers in Los Angeles and San Francisco. As years pass, these parades/marches/events expand to other cities, where people still today work toward progress of LGBT rights.

That's what gay pride is all about Charlie Brown."

I visited Philadelphia recently... across from the Liberty Bell and Independence Hall there is a historic marker that acknowledges the annual public demonstrations held for gay and lesbian equality in 1965-1969 at the site. The Mattachine Society, a key group in these demonstrations, played a large role in social reform. Though we are still struggling to achieve equality today, the reform is still making headways.

Now, instead of rioting with the police, a group of gays and lesbians at a recent Pride event take part in a mass commitment ceremony while being protected by the police from the Nationalist Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization.

 

[star-warrior]

Maybe you're too young, like me, and I'm only 36. But, if it weren't for the brave resisting drag queens at the Stonewall many decades ago, we would still be furtive and fearful for the sexual lifestyles we lead.

You can afford to have sex with men and women as you choose because there are people pointing out that discrimination against someone's sexual preferences is not only unfair, it is against the freedom to live and be as you are.

If the rainbow flag bothers you, ignore it, turn the other cheek. If you hate the labels, then sorry, it is a part of the struggle for the recognition of the type of lifestyles people lead.

If you're ashamed of these symbols of the freedom to live out our lives in such a manner, then, would you prefer to be furtive, fearful, and be hated for what you do with another person. You should respect the sacrifices made by others so you can have the easy outgoing life you lead today.

 

[sebastian-k]

......Its all to commercial and cheesy and it is bugging the hell out of me. I like girls, and i like guys, but hey, i dont make a fuss out of it.....

Personally i'm with you in the chessy and commercial part, what's next? a flag for each number on Kinsey scale? (and people confused and worried by not knowing their number), or should every gay have Lucky Charms for breakfast and bisexuals just half bowl?... This reminds me religion, where every one MUST do and think the same.

But as said before everybody has it's own taste and likes.