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I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary results!

Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

waiting for the Clinton campaigners to address their own

Jack, please grow a pair. Some people aren’t going to worship Obama and are going to say nasty things. Not every single Clinton supporter should have scan each forum and reprimand every 'I hate Obama' post. I hate to see how you're going to react if he gets the nomination and the negative ad's begin. I have seen a few posts where Clinton has been called a 'Cunt' and a 'Bitch'. And I don't see you rushing over to scold them for doing so. I'm sick and tired of being treated like a leper because I support Hillary. But I don't expect to be treated any other way because thats how it goes arond here.

Supports Hillary= Bad, Racist, Moron.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Does it matter. When you are a Hillary supporter your opinion seems to matter less.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Jack, I agree with you on this one; until now, I've never heard any Clintonite say they hated Obama. Conversely, though, quite a few Obama-ites hate Hillary, which brings to matter another point...

A couple of likely Clintonite's, and, Obama haters;..... the great "General Alfie", and Luka......mmmmm
maybe Gen Alfie is too embarrassed to return.


General_Alfie
JUB 10k Club
Default On-Topic - Obama Should Run As A Republican
I've never been impressed by bama, not on any single subject have I found him to be a great thinker or (God forbid) great doer. His fellation of the so-called "religious right" at the expense of gays sealed my dislike for this oddity from the Midwest. His politics are those of Rove and the Republicans, and I an certain he's, at his so-called "core," a bible-thumping winger, a Republican in Dem clothing.

After having his clock cleaned by Paul Krugman of the NY Times, the bama's campaign launched an attack on Krugman, and I reference Ezra Klein's's blog for more detail. Klein, BTW, is an bama supporter:

Luka
Porn Star
I know, i hate OBAMA!!
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

I have seen a few posts where Clinton has been called a 'Cunt' and a 'Bitch'. And I don't see you rushing over to scold them for doing so.

Provide the links.

I can't say I disbelieve you because I don't read every single thread.

You have made the charge, I'd like to see the links, and I shall respond.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

General_Alfie
JUB 10k Club
Default On-Topic - Obama Should Run As A Republican
I've never been impressed by bama, not on any single subject have I found him to be a great thinker or (God forbid) great doer. His fellation of the so-called "religious right" at the expense of gays sealed my dislike for this oddity from the Midwest. His politics are those of Rove and the Republicans, and I an certain he's, at his so-called "core," a bible-thumping winger, a Republican in Dem clothing.

I truly hope that person is NOT a Hillary supporter. :rotflmao:
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Does it matter. When you are a Hillary supporter your opinion seems to matter less.


Buck up my friend.

When I and a few others stood our ground against Bush, when his approval numbers were 90%, they called us anti-American, unpatriotic, a Bush hater because we criticized his policies, his propaganda, called out his bullshit, pointed out his lies. They ganged up against us, attacked us, piled on. I was accused of being intellectually dishonest, a hater, was told to seek help and that my opinion mattered less.

But I was right. And they were wrong. Bush was lying. His policies did result in division and destruction and debt.

They'll scream and they'll wail and they'll whine, they'll accuse you of all kinds of stuff. Keep your head. Stick to what you know is true and genuine because in the end truth and authenticity is the only solid ground.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Buck up my friend.

When I and a few others stood our ground against Bush, when his approval numbers were 90%, they called us anti-American, unpatriotic, a Bush hater because we criticized his policies, his propaganda, called out his bullshit, pointed out his lies. They ganged up against us, attacked us, piled on. I was accused of being intellectually dishonest, a hater, was told to seek help and that my opinion mattered less.

But I was right. And they were wrong. Bush was lying. His policies did result in division and destruction and debt.

They'll scream and they'll wail and they'll whine, they'll accuse you of all kinds of stuff. Keep your head. Stick to what you know is true and genuine because in the end truth and authenticity is the only solid ground.

as one of those who always stood against Bush even in the worst days of September 11th and thereafter, as someone who was among the 10% who never supported that man, I appreciate your kind and gracious words about the rightness f supporting Senator Obama in the face of every onslaught of negative opinion, because you reassure me that as I have been right before despite prevailing opinion, I am certainly right on Barack Obama, our next president - something that sustained me when his numbers were low and people said that the other side had it all sewed up - thanks again Nick..|:gogirl::wave:;)
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

as one of those who always stood against Bush even in the worst days of September 11th and thereafter, as someone who was among the 10% who never supported that man, I appreciate your kind and gracious words about the rightness f supporting Senator Obama in the face of every onslaught of negative opinion, because you reassure me that as I have been right before despite prevailing opinion, I am certainly right on Barack Obama, our next president - something that sustained me when his numbers were low and people said that the other side had it all sewed up - thanks again Nick..|:gogirl::wave:;)

I think you're celebrating too early. Hillary has a real chance with these next few states.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

The primaries ended as expected. We are in a period in the calendar that favors Obama, everyone knows that. Even the media expected it until it happened then they acted like it was a shocker. But it's on to the rest of the nation where we are competing strong.

Does it matter. When you are a Hillary supporter your opinion seems to matter less.

That's especially true if you live in Michigan or Florida. :rolleyes:
 
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...in the face of every onslaught of negative opinion...

Ummm...I don't know where you're getting your news but if you are seeing the same coverage I'm seeing, then I don't see how you can say this with a straight face.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

I think you're celebrating too early. Hillary has a real chance with these next few states.

of the next six, she is noncompetitive in three

Ohio and PA are going to be very difficult for her

oh and you totally missed the point of the last posts here - but that's ok - my best to you always friend!
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

..., I appreciate your kind and gracious words about the rightness f supporting Senator Obama ...


Twisting my words and purposefully mischaracterizing what I write is lying.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

If you are to stupid to figure it out, then you just made my point about why young people are voting for Obama

I'm stupid because I have no idea what kool aid and fried chicken have to do with a presidential election? :confused:
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Guys, I'm having a major change of heart.

While I still think Hillary will make the best President, I'm a rugged realist; I see how the press hates her, how many people hate her--even pro-Obama people hate her. It puzzles me, but it is what it is.

By contrast, Obama is a media darling. People seem to love him everywhere; hell, even red states voted for him. (He hasn't been Swift-boated yet, but that's another topic). Republicans and Independents are voting for him.

While I'm still a Hillary supporter, I'm beginning to think an Obama victory will be better for the Democratic Party in November; a nominated candidate who's loved will do better than a nominated candidate who's so widely hated.

I think he'll win the nomination, so, from now on, he has my support.

While I agree with you, it disheartens me to see someone lose faith in their candidate. :(

Hillary's a tough woman, if she gets the nomination she'll nail McCain's balls to the wall. Obama hasn't seen anything compared to what the Clintons are able of drudging up.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Guys, I'm having a major change of heart.

While I still think Hillary will make the best President, I'm a rugged realist; I see how the press hates her, how many people hate her--even pro-Obama people hate her. It puzzles me, but it is what it is.

By contrast, Obama is a media darling. People seem to love him everywhere; hell, even red states voted for him. (He hasn't been Swift-boated yet, but that's another topic). Republicans and Independents are voting for him.

While I'm still a Hillary supporter, I'm beginning to think an Obama victory will be better for the Democratic Party in November; a nominated candidate who's loved will do better than a nominated candidate who's so widely hated.

I think he'll win the nomination, so, from now on, he has my support.
If you feel that way about Hillary then keep supporting her. The reason he is the media darling and Republicans and Independents are supporting him is because they want him to get the nomination so that they don't have to work hard to win the general election. They are afraid to go up against Hillary in the general election because they will have to work very hard to win it.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Guys, I'm having a major change of heart.

While I still think Hillary will make the best President, I'm a rugged realist; I see how the press hates her, how many people hate her--even pro-Obama people hate her. It puzzles me, but it is what it is.

By contrast, Obama is a media darling. People seem to love him everywhere; hell, even red states voted for him. (He hasn't been Swift-boated yet, but that's another topic). Republicans and Independents are voting for him.

While I'm still a Hillary supporter, I'm beginning to think an Obama victory will be better for the Democratic Party in November; a nominated candidate who's loved will do better than a nominated candidate who's so widely hated.

I think he'll win the nomination, so, from now on, he has my support.

Yes, the media loves Obama. And he has avoided any scruitny during this campaign. (Both of which make it remarkable that Senator Clinton has been so resilient throughout this campaign, considering the odds she has and continues to face.) But I doubt that the love-affair will continue into the general election. They are building a pedestal that they hope to tear down later.

You also make an interesting comment--one cited by the Obama campaign--that he is winning Republicans and Independents. But Senator Clinton is doing remarkably well among the Democratic base. And these are the voters that form the core of our Party and it takes the base to win elections. That's how she's still kept this race competitive and has won the larger states. Remember this is a campaign for the Democratic nomination. So why do we want a candidate who is leading our Party away from its core values (i.e. universal health care, standing against privatization of social security)? That's why the Democrats are voting for Senator Clinton--they want a candidate who will stand and fight for these values. And the blue-collar, pocket-book voters who are voting in droves for Senator Clinton are the most reliable voters by the time the general rolls around--and the same goes for the older voters and strong Latino bloc firmly behind her. The younger voters and Independents on which Obama banks his candidacy have historically failed to deliever on Election Day. So it's a roll of the dice. And given what the next President will face, the stakes are to high to take a gamble on America's future.

Let's take a look at Arizona, for example. It's a red state and the primary was a competitive race. Senator Clinton won by a decisive 10% of the vote. The exit polls reveal the following:

She won 53% of the female vote, to Obama's 40%. Females have historically been crucial to Democratic victories in the general election.

Of all respondents, 53% named Clinton the "most qualified to be commander-in-chief" while 34% said the same of Obama.

Of those who say that they are falling behind financially, Clinton leads 52-40.

Half of voters called the economy the most important issue and of those, Clinton wins 54% to Obama's 38%.

Among white Democrats, Clinton leads 57-37. Among Latino Democrats, she wins 60-37. Among union members, Clinton wins 58-33.

What's more, in this red state, more Democratic voters said they would be happy if Senator Clinton won the nomination than if Obama won the nomination. Likewise, more voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama wins than if Clinton wins. So do you expect these folks to stay galvanized and get out and vote?

You cannot win a general election by ignoring your base.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Sun, I still think Hillary's the best person for the job, but we have to face reality.

Everybody loves Obama, while Hillary has so many enemies that they're too numerous to count; the press--especially MSNBC--is openly hostile to her.

I think Obama will have a better chance of beating the Republicans.

Sometimes, truly critical thinking means accepting an unpleasant truth.


If you were on a soccer team you believed was the best and your team was losing, the ref was making unfair calls and the crowd is cheering the other team and booing yours, would you switch teams halfway through a game?

If the press turns on Obama in the general election, if everybody loves McCain, to whom will you throw your support then?

If you don't stand for what you believe in when the crowd hollers you're wrong, then you don't really believe in anything but the crowd.

Obama has never in his life won an election against a strong Republican candidate. You're basing your "critical thinking" on guesses and propaganda and the way the wind is blowing at the moment. Hillary, in her first Senate race, faced an opponent with a lot of Hate Hillary support and money from across the nation; and she won.
 
Re: I'm so dissapointed at tonight's primary resul

Obama has never in his life won an election against a strong Republican candidate. You're basing your "critical thinking" on guesses and propaganda and the way the wind is blowing at the moment. Hillary, in her first Senate race, faced an opponent with a lot of Hate Hillary support and money from across the nation; and she won.

Rick Lazio was a strong Republican candidate? Please. Republicans in NY were so scared of running against HRC that after Giuliani dropped out they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find this clown.

You accuse Sen. Obama's supporters of mania, but your support for Sen. Clinton leads you to make statements like this that are downright delusional.
 
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