Impressions from attending a mosque for the first time

[Jack Springer]

This is such nonsense. The reading comprehension problem that you and a couple of the other hysterical right wingers have is that you confuse not agreeing with you as being the same thing as hating America and Christians.

My Christianity is not about the mindless, southern baptist sunday school version that has more to do with enforcing the Judaic old testament laws of illiterate goat-herders and bronze age warriors and priestly class exploitation of tribal communities than it does with the tenets and words of Christ. Show us these posts you say illustrate my hatred of Christianity. They don't exist.

Likewise the America I love is an America that the right wing doesn't acknowledge as being legitimate...even though it has been the foundation for just about everything that has made the US a great nation. I love america more than you Springer because I think I know it better than you and see more hope and opportunity for it than you do.

I am not better than you, but I do believe that I am infinitely better off than you because the world I inhabit is open to engaging in and trying to understand everything, to learning as much as possible, to never be afraid to understand the position of those in opposition to my own ideas and to seek out all the things that join us together as humans on a small planet instead of only looking for all the things that drive us apart.

Your world is small by your own definition. You're only accepting what you like and what mets your personal agenda.

 

[Kulindahr]

In a recent post you made derogatory remarks about the Salvation Army.

They've earned derogatory remarks.

 

[Kulindahr]

Please explain how you are so pro-Muslim and anti-Christian. I honestly don't see why a gay man would feel the way you do.

Please give evidence that he's either of those.

Good luck Deja and I sure hope you dont visit a catholic church next week. The systematic things done in the name of Christ is abhorrent and much more debilitating.

Huh???

 

[Kulindahr]

As you sit on top of your spotless mountain judging people . . . you don't know me. I was raised to respect everyone ... no matter what their religion or race. I was also taught to be honest and accept reality -- not live a world where I thought I was better than others -- which you plainly believe you are better. Your image of the world is that people you don't like cause all the problems when in reality everyone causes problems - some more than others.

That may be what people told you you were being taught, but it certainly isn't what you learned.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Moderators!

This thread is getting off-topic.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is such nonsense. The reading comprehension problem that you and a couple of the other hysterical right wingers have is that you confuse not agreeing with you as being the same thing as hating America and Christians.

My Christianity is not about the mindless, southern baptist sunday school version that has more to do with enforcing the Judaic old testament laws of illiterate goat-herders and bronze age warriors and priestly class exploitation of tribal communities than it does with the tenets and words of Christ. Show us these posts you say illustrate my hatred of Christianity. They don't exist.

Likewise the America I love is an America that the right wing doesn't acknowledge as being legitimate...even though it has been the foundation for just about everything that has made the US a great nation. I love america more than you Springer because I think I know it better than you and see more hope and opportunity for it than you do.

I am not better than you, but I do believe that I am infinitely better off than you because the world I inhabit is open to engaging in and trying to understand everything, to learning as much as possible, to never be afraid to understand the position of those in opposition to my own ideas and to seek out all the things that join us together as humans on a small planet instead of only looking for all the things that drive us apart.

Your world is small by your own definition. You're only accepting what you like and what mets your personal agenda.

That you can make that statement in response to what rareboy said shows a serious disconnect with reality and/or serious failings in cognitive skills. Your opening statement is the exact opposite of what he said, and as far as I can tell, the second is just projection. Anyone who has seriously read rareboy's posts for very long will have seen that he makes definite efforts to understand other's positions.

 

[Telstra]

Deja, oh Deja.

You now have a battle between Jack and Telstra with unlikely pot shots from Andruske and 72-Jay.

I weep for your soul.

Point of contention from some of the ignorant hate spewed above: If 1.6 Billion Muslims were all psychos and wanting to kill; then the west would be a giant smoking hole. The fact is the problem is one hundredth a percent of the believers. Even then they are isolated into geographic and secular divisions. That is why the use of the internet and the idea of a global Al Quaida was so terrifying. Yet the more that one percent uses technology, the more we wrap them up or gun them down. Perhaps the real worry ought to be for those who wish to empower the 100th percent by removing our detection tools.

Good luck Deja and I sure hope you dont visit a catholic church next week. The systematic things done in the name of Christ is abhorrent and much more debilitating.

umm i'm not with anyone's team LOL.
I filmed muslim weddings too you know

 

[JayHawk]

Please give evidence that he's either of those.



Huh???

The churches embracing the name of christ have done much more abhorrent things than the Muslim church to the western civilization.

That does not mean the standard of conduct is wrong but man's interpretation is faulty and perverted.

Due to wealth and breadth of effect the perversions of the christian based church have harmed many more peoples than the Muslim one.

p.s. in your response to Jack, I would have to say I am pro-mankind and wish more people were less religious and more realistic about the condition of man on earth.

 

[JayHawk]

Moderators!

This thread is getting off-topic.

Really dude?



Try the tissues with aloe, it prevents chaffing.

 

[JayHawk]

umm i'm not with anyone's team LOL.
I filmed muslim weddings too you know

Didnt say you were, including you in a sentence with another does not place you upon some team.

You are very difficult to discuss a serious issue with due to a seeming lack of comprehension.

 

[DonQuixote]

What an interesting Maelstrom of religion and other things.

The only Mosque I've ever been in was built in the 10th to 15th centuries, and was converted to a Cathedral shortly after that, compliments of Ferdinand and Isabella or their progeny. It is in Cordoba. As Geloge or Belamo about it.

However, I have met much more typical, mainstream, American Muslims - a couple were dear friends of my parents, each having the other to dinner - my mom making sure the beef was halal (is that the correct term?). The gentleman was a member of my dad's "Tim Horton's Thursday Morning Men's Political-Philosophical-Religious Discussion Group". They believe in the PEACE of the Koran, not the killing of infidels. They are intelligent, educated people.

The sons of Abraham split when Isaac was born and he cast aside Ishmael. From then til now, the peace of the Middle East has a hard time being.
Then the sons of Ismael slighted one another after Mohammed died, and the factions drew lines - with fringe fanatics on all sides.

When they learn to love their brothers, maybe the Shia and Sunni and Kurds can live in peace with each other, let alone the Jews and the Christians. The Kurds, it would seem to me, have come the furthest, and are the most oppressed by the others.

Then again, maybe the developments of the past 30 years will bring some good - Egypt and israel have largely put aside their differences - even after the changes in power in Egypt. I know it is a tenuous relationship, and the Egyptians know the Irsaeli's would kick their butts to kingdom come if Egypt should attack, but they are still trying to improve.

The Saudis are siding with Israel against Iran. Others in the region feel the same way.

We can only hope and pray.

 

[frankfrank]

White supremacists are scary as hell too, but atleast they don't fly planes into buildings or want to blow buildings/cities/etc up... They blow up huge buildings sometimes, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Murrah_Federal_Building

Well thats a scary statistic.
I sure hope none of them are in my neighborhood (can say that have never seen one in this place)

My reply is split between in-quote and below.
I've been around a lot of Muslims in my lifetime. I am in Dearborn, Michigan at least once a year and there are some Arabic (presumed to likely be Muslim) businesses there which I usually patronize - I don't feel uneasy there, nor even out of place. My interactions have invariably been pleasant.

Likewise the America I love is an America that the right wing doesn't acknowledge as being legitimate...even though it has been the foundation for just about everything that has made the US a great nation. I love america more than you Springer

As I see it, groups such as al-Qaeda and The Taliban have NOTHING on the far right-wing and Tea Party types. In my estimation, these people hate "America" more than possibly any other group of people in existence [well, maybe North Korea hates us more], as they seek to destroy EVERYTHING that made this country great, and if they entirely had their way destitute people would be dropping dead in the streets with no access whatsoever to any kind of health care for any reason, because they're just "freeloaders" who deserve to die.

 

[JayHawk]

What an interesting Maelstrom of religion and other things.

The only Mosque I've ever been in was built in the 10th to 15th centuries, and was converted to a Cathedral shortly after that, compliments of Ferdinand and Isabella or their progeny. It is in Cordoba. As Geloge or Belamo about it.

However, I have met much more typical, mainstream, American Muslims - a couple were dear friends of my parents, each having the other to dinner - my mom making sure the beef was halal (is that the correct term?). The gentleman was a member of my dad's "Tim Horton's Thursday Morning Men's Political-Philosophical-Religious Discussion Group". They believe in the PEACE of the Koran, not the killing of infidels. They are intelligent, educated people.

The sons of Abraham split when Isaac was born and he cast aside Ishmael. From then til now, the peace of the Middle East has a hard time being.
Then the sons of Ismael slighted one another after Mohammed died, and the factions drew lines - with fringe fanatics on all sides.

When they learn to love their brothers, maybe the Shia and Sunni and Kurds can live in peace with each other, let alone the Jews and the Christians. The Kurds, it would seem to me, have come the furthest, and are the most oppressed by the others.

Then again, maybe the developments of the past 30 years will bring some good - Egypt and israel have largely put aside their differences - even after the changes in power in Egypt. I know it is a tenuous relationship, and the Egyptians know the Irsaeli's would kick their butts to kingdom come if Egypt should attack, but they are still trying to improve.

The Saudis are siding with Israel against Iran. Others in the region feel the same way.

We can only hope and pray.

We too have family friends that are quite devote. They are great people and very loyal friends. We all seem to get along regardless of our religious differences.

 

[Kulindahr]

p.s. in your response to Jack, I would have to say I am pro-mankind and wish more people were less religious and more realistic about the condition of man on earth.

I'd say less religious and more human and spiritual.

Today's 'evangelicals' could learn a LOT about Jesus from the Quakers. Too bad it won't happen.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Here are some pics of the teenaged faithful who were SO enraged about that video in September last year that they took to the streets smashed shop windows and attacked police and police canines.

Look how young they are—

They're living a middle class existence in a very generous welfare state (which will pay the unemployed and those with multiple wives) and yet these young people get furious about a cartoon film which was never released.

 

[Telstra]

Behead those who hold up these signs lol

 

[Taz]

Behead those who hold up these signs lol

That makes you just as stupid as them. though nobody will be surprised

 

[Telstra]

That makes you just as stupid as them. though nobody will be surprised

umm i wasn't serious and not holding up the disgusting signs.
Its much easy to just comment about the signs

 

[KaraBulut]

I've been around a lot of Muslims in my lifetime. I am in Dearborn, Michigan at least once a year and there are some Arabic (presumed to likely be Muslim) businesses there which I usually patronize - I don't feel uneasy there, nor even out of place. My interactions have invariably been pleasant.

Those businesses are probably Lebanese. There was a large group of immigrants from Lebanon who moved to Detroit nearly a century ago to work in the auto industry. Most of the Lebanese people in the area are Maronite Christians. There's a group large group of Armenians and Assyrians around Detroit who are Orthodox Christian.

Some of the later Lebanese immigrants are Arab Muslims but the larger groups of Muslims in the area are Palestinians or Syrians.

Most of us would never notice the differences because they are largely assimilated into American culture and with a few exceptions in some of the more recent immigrants, they are fairly moderate in their beliefs.

 

[JayHawk]

I'd say less religious and more human and spiritual.

Today's 'evangelicals' could learn a LOT about Jesus from the Quakers. Too bad it won't happen.

I used to say that but the more I experience different churches the less I am convinced any are living in that true spirit.