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[Jack Springer]

^^^

All actors. These people are not real. It was all staged.

(Thought I'd respond for someone who doesn't believe there is election fraud.)

 

[007xBond]

I believe even people on Death Row should be allowed to vote. I'm not sure, though, "WHERE" their vote should count...in the district where the prison is, or in their last known home district?

convicted felons lose the right to vote. we aren't allowed to drink, do drugs (of course) go to bars, associate with other felons, serve on a jury, have porn or buy guns. also the police can search us, our house, and anyone with us at anytime. so if you are on a police man's shit list, you better be flying straight and narrow.

i agree with you though they SHOULD be allowed to vote, not all felons are mindless goons.

 

[CowboyBob]

^^^

All actors. These people are not real. It was all staged.

(Thought I'd respond for someone who doesn't believe there is election fraud.)

Oh yeah? Prove it.

 

[frankfrank]

convicted felons lose the right to vote. we aren't allowed to drink, do drugs (of course) go to bars, associate with other felons, serve on a jury, have porn or buy guns. also the police can search us, our house, and anyone with us at anytime. so if you are on a police man's shit list, you better be flying straight and narrow.

i agree with you though they SHOULD be allowed to vote, not all felons are mindless goons.

I've been saying for years that I've even thought there should be voting facilities on Death Row. Some people on the far right have been known to argue otherwise, but I'm still not aware of anything saying that a felon becomes a NON-CITIZEN of the United States or anything like that. But we've got an entire major political party which, if they could get away with it, would roll back voting rights only to those who are WHITE MALE LANDHOLDERS. I feel that voting should be an absolute and unconditional right of ANY adult who is legally a resident of the United States.

I'm not an ex-felon, but you're not telling me anything that I didn't already know. A person may no longer be in prison, but they're still under the full power and jurisdiction of the police state...

And as far as the New Hampshire "dead people" thing, I'm very skeptical. One thing I feel is very true about all of these anti-voting laws, though: BE PREPARED TO SEE *MORE* ELECTION FRAUD THAN IN THE PAST. Formerly it was almost unknown - certainly very rare - and not on anybody's radar. But as soon as something like this gets aggressively put in, people come out of the woodwork, people who LOVE to see how they can "game" the system or beat it. Apparently that factor didn't really exist before, but now that election fraud is being talked about all the time by the Right, that's like a "dare" to people who like to see what they can get away with.

 

[Kulindahr]

No potential for issue in not requiring anything to vote...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-uVhhIlPk0

I wonder how hard it is to get an list of death certificates issued in the three years since the last national election

This is one reason states are working on cross-linking voter rolls with vital statistics and records.

But the real measure is not a stunt pulled by a bunch of people, it's the number of verified cases of voter fraud. Extrapolate if you want, but the result is still that the new laws will be shutting out a thousand or more citizens per case of voter fraud prevented.

That's a travesty. Better a thousand illegal votes cast than one legitimate voter prevented from voting.

 

[Kulindahr]

convicted felons lose the right to vote. we aren't allowed to drink, do drugs (of course) go to bars, associate with other felons, serve on a jury, have porn or buy guns. also the police can search us, our house, and anyone with us at anytime. so if you are on a police man's shit list, you better be flying straight and narrow.

i agree with you though they SHOULD be allowed to vote, not all felons are mindless goons.

Wow -- Texas is pretty fascist! Felons in the state should be doing class suits for cruel and unusual punishment on the bars, jury, searches, etc.

 

[Jack Springer]

Oh yeah? Prove it.

Bob, Bob, Bob .... look at the video.

 

[JayHawk]

Wow -- Texas is pretty fascist! Felons in the state should be doing class suits for cruel and unusual punishment on the bars, jury, searches, etc.

Kuli that is for felons in about every state. they have zero rights even though the polite term is "paid your debt" to society... doesn't seem like a paid debt does it?

IRT showing an ID card to vote:
I seriously DO NOT get how it can be restrictive. I know it could be abused that way but how do you live in this century and not have identification?

Finally I would ask WHY we haven't cross referenced voter rolls with vitals... they are digital in just about every location nationwide. In the places that aren't then certainly it is small enough that Mable can cross off the people who have died in the town of 20.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kuli that is for felons in about every state. they have zero rights even though the polite term is "paid your debt" to society... doesn't seem like a paid debt does it?

IRT showing an ID card to vote:
I seriously DO NOT get how it can be restrictive. I know it could be abused that way but how do you live in this century and not have identification?

Finally I would ask WHY we haven't cross referenced voter rolls with vitals... they are digital in just about every location nationwide. In the places that aren't then certainly it is small enough that Mable can cross off the people who have died in the town of 20.

Felons here can buy alcohol, go to bars, are protected against search and seizure just as I am, can vote, get called for jury duty, can associate with whomever they wish, have no restrictions about porn... the only restriction on that list I've ever seen is firearms, and that's federal.

I've never heard of such restrictions in any state at all.


My mom says barely a third of the people where she was in a retirement community would be able to vote under the restriction Republicans are passing. Many were born at home, and have no birth certificate; they no longer drive, so have no driver's license. In that condition, they can't get a state I.D.
The same is true of having a fixed address: if you haven't lived in the same place six months straight, you can't vote.

The people who can't see how it would be restrictive aren't really aware of society. That's the problem in Congress: they are all so rich they're clueless about what it actually means to be poor. It would be a great reform to require anyone wishing to run for public office to live on minimum wage in the district to be served, for a complete year -- we might get representatives who can actually represent. At the moment our "representative democracy" is a joke, because no one can represent what he doesn't understand. So we get laws which penalize the poor and shuttle wealth to the wealthy, because the congresscritters represent only the 1% -- because that's what they know.


Legislators here looked into cross-indexing, and guess what? Our governments are so efficient that the various departments have incompatible computer systems....

 

[JayHawk]

Felons here can buy alcohol, go to bars, are protected against search and seizure just as I am, can vote, get called for jury duty, can associate with whomever they wish, have no restrictions about porn... the only restriction on that list I've ever seen is firearms, and that's federal.

I've never heard of such restrictions in any state at all.


My mom says barely a third of the people where she was in a retirement community would be able to vote under the restriction Republicans are passing. Many were born at home, and have no birth certificate; they no longer drive, so have no driver's license. In that condition, they can't get a state I.D.
The same is true of having a fixed address: if you haven't lived in the same place six months straight, you can't vote.

The people who can't see how it would be restrictive aren't really aware of society. That's the problem in Congress: they are all so rich they're clueless about what it actually means to be poor. It would be a great reform to require anyone wishing to run for public office to live on minimum wage in the district to be served, for a complete year -- we might get representatives who can actually represent. At the moment our "representative democracy" is a joke, because no one can represent what he doesn't understand. So we get laws which penalize the poor and shuttle wealth to the wealthy, because the congresscritters represent only the 1% -- because that's what they know.


Legislators here looked into cross-indexing, and guess what? Our governments are so efficient that the various departments have incompatible computer systems....

So these people have never had a SS card? A bill from a utility? Any sort of identification? I find that hard to believe. So if they never filed taxes and hence don't have a SS number then why should they get to vote?

 

[Kulindahr]

So these people have never had a SS card? A bill from a utility? Any sort of identification? I find that hard to believe. So if they never filed taxes and hence don't have a SS number then why should they get to vote?

Only the SS number would be relevant. A state ID card requires a birth certificate. Bills don't count at all. SS would supply one form to go with the birth certificate. Then they want some picture ID. Just to get a job in Oregon a couple years ago, I had to supply birth certificate, SS, and two pieces of picture ID. The same requirements now apply in order to register to vote.

They should get to vote because they're citizens, as are the millions turning 18 who give up on the process because it's been made so difficult.

 

[MystikWizard]

Can someone explain what the issue is to me with having someone submit proof of citizenship before being able to register to vote?

Or showing a photo ID when you vote?

I would take issue over some of their tactics, but these two basics, I simply don't understand.

 

[JayHawk]

Only the SS number would be relevant. A state ID card requires a birth certificate. Bills don't count at all. SS would supply one form to go with the birth certificate. Then they want some picture ID. Just to get a job in Oregon a couple years ago, I had to supply birth certificate, SS, and two pieces of picture ID. The same requirements now apply in order to register to vote.

They should get to vote because they're citizens, as are the millions turning 18 who give up on the process because it's been made so difficult.

Actually usually these days it does require multiple proofs of residence and legal citizenship. Therefore bills are asked for in at least the last four states i have moved to and established myself. There is definitely a method but not a will to obtain an identification.

 

[Jack Springer]

Can someone explain what the issue is to me with having someone submit proof of citizenship before being able to register to vote?

Or showing a photo ID when you vote?

I would take issue over some of their tactics, but these two basics, I simply don't understand.

Some people think it's their right to vote more than once. They think it equalizes the injustices of the past.

It can only be one person, one vote.

 

[evanrick]

If Republicans THOUGHT they were in the majority, they wouldnt NEED to supress the vote. Watch the video in my poverty thread.
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366771

Obama 12

 

[Kulindahr]

Actually usually these days it does require multiple proofs of residence and legal citizenship. Therefore bills are asked for in at least the last four states i have moved to and established myself. There is definitely a method but not a will to obtain an identification.

To get the documentation required can cost people hundreds or thousands in legal fees, and for a lot of elderly folks it's not possible even then. When a birth certificate is absolutely required, but you never had one, you're screwed unless you can find newspaper announcements plus other sources that confirm them, foremost being a statement form the attending physician -- who, when you're elderly, isn't around to do that.

And t can cost hundreds in other expenses as well, trying to find the right documents by mail.

And even with a birth certificate, the homeless are screwed because they don't have a physical address.

There is a lot of will to obtain that ID, but it's utterly impractical or even impossible for many people.

Besides that, a lot of university students will just be locked out: their home state may disqualify them as a voter because they're not there six months out of the year, and the place they go to college won't register them if they live in a dorm....

Some people think it's their right to vote more than once. They think it equalizes the injustices of the past.

It can only be one person, one vote.

Except that with these laws, Republicans would rather prevent a million people from voting who should, just to stop a dozen who shouldn't.

That's contrary to the founding principles of this country.


And THAT, mystic, is the issue: disenfranchising millions, because it's not just ID, it's a very specific ID with a whole lot of requirements to get.

 

[Jack Springer]

It is so easy to get a driver's license or state ID card.

My vote is important to me. I don't want it diluted or cancelled with voter fraud and can't see why you would want that for yourself.

One legal person, one legal vote.

 

[Kulindahr]

It is so easy to get a driver's license or state ID card.

My vote is important to me. I don't want it diluted or cancelled with voter fraud and can't see why you would want that for yourself.

One legal person, one legal vote.

Because I'd rather have a law that lets a thousand illegals vote just to make sure every legal voter can vote, than one that disenfranchises one to stop thousands.

And it isn't "easy to get a driver's license or state ID card".

Seems to me your vote is important to you, but no one else's is.

 

[Jack Springer]

Because I'd rather have a law that lets a thousand illegals vote just to make sure every legal voter can vote, than one that disenfranchises one to stop thousands.

And it isn't "easy to get a driver's license or state ID card".

Seems to me your vote is important to you, but no one else's is.

Seems to me you don't understand what I said.

One legal person, one legal vote.

 

[CowboyBob]

It is so easy to get a driver's license or state ID card.

My vote is important to me. I don't want it diluted or cancelled with voter fraud and can't see why you would want that for yourself.

One legal person, one legal vote.

You live in a bubble. This story about voter fraud is a myth to disenfranchise millions of people their right to vote.

And if it's "so easy to get a driver's license or state ID card", what's the reason 5 million people can't?

Turn off Fox news. It's rotting your brain.