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In light of police inactivity during the active shooting, can we revisit "Defund the police?"

Too bad cops couldn't just burst in the door and hit him with a flash bang like they do sleeping black families during a no-knock warrant at the wrong house. ](*,)

Now it’s 77 minutes. Police on the scene for 77 minutes before they did anything. Just sit down and don’t do anything for 77 minutes.

Now be a 8 year old pretending to be dead while a gunman stands over you. For 77 minutes.
 
Re: In light of police inactivity during the active shooting, can we revisit "Defund the police?"

Meanwhile, brain injury apparently:

Isn't this the guy that pointed a gun at his ex-wife?

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Now it’s 77 minutes. Police on the scene for 77 minutes before they did anything. Just sit down and don’t do anything for 77 minutes.

Now be a 8 year old pretending to be dead while a gunman stands over you. For 77 minutes.

Even though I know the answer I still ask myself how the everlasting fuck did we get here?
 
From Don Winslow via Twitter:

After 19 armed cops failed to perform the most basic function of their job, your response is to demand that we arm teachers so they perform a job they never wanted or were ever trained to do.

Seems about what the GOP would demand.
 
Just gonna leave this right here. That awkward moment when the people whose job is to protect and serve killed more people than people who actually go out into the public trying to kill people. :confused:

https://ips-dc.org/police-killed-people-last-year-mass-shooters/

(2018)

Some 590 Americans were killed in mass shootings last year, according to MassShootingTracker.org, which counts events in which four or more people are shot. But that figure almost pales in comparison to the number of Americans subjected to gun violence by law enforcement.

According to the Washington Post, law enforcement officers shot and killed 987 Americans in 2017 alone. Despite constituting 12 percent of the population, nearly a quarter of those shot were black Americans. Of those 223 black Americans, all but nine were black men.
 
Just gonna leave this right here. That awkward moment when the people whose job is to protect and serve killed more people than people who actually go out into the public trying to kill people. :confused:

https://ips-dc.org/police-killed-people-last-year-mass-shooters/

(2018)

In the UK we have the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) which investigates every death in which the police are involved. Is there an equivalent body in the US? The 223 figure is certainly concerning on the face of it, but it's simply a number with no background to what the circumstances in each case were or what was done about each death. No doubt some people will say they were shot essentially just for being black and others will argue that blacks are more likely to be involved in crime. I'm saying neither of those things, I'm just asking whether there is any independent explanation for the disparity.

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/who-we-are
 
In the UK we have the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) which investigates every death in which the police are involved. Is there an equivalent body in the US? The 223 figure is certainly concerning on the face of it, but it's simply a number with no background to what the circumstances in each case were or what was done about each death. No doubt some people will say they were shot essentially just for being black and others will argue that blacks are more likely to be involved in crime. I'm saying neither of those things, I'm just asking whether there is any independent explanation for the disparity.

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/who-we-are

There is no real oversight for police in America. There's barely hard data on their uses of deadly force. Police are rarely charged with any crime, convictions are a pipe dream. And because taxpayers instead of their pensions fund the inevitable civil suits there's no real incentive for them to obey the laws they enforce.

The people who argue "black people are a bunch of criminals" are called racists. We don't give them time on the mic cuz they have two narratives. "Should've known better" and "13% of the population, 50% of the crime." It's long been established that the judicial system shows favoritism to whites, this means in the same circumstances a black person goes to jail where a white person would get off with a warning or citation. This, like all byproducts of racism, is potrayed as a myth but is a tangible phenomenon.

American police have "qualified immunity" which means it's virtually impossible to hold them accountable for their crimes whic regularly include sexual violence, domestic violence (40% of cops are guilty of this), planting evidence, falsifying reports, harassment, drug trafficking, pretty much anything that puts normal people in jail. And lots and lots of evidence and confiscated drugs money and weapons magically vanish from evidence lockers. :confused:

Americans are (supposed to be) entitled to due process, meaning a fair chance in a courtroom, far too often black people do not survive arrest to make it to court. We're given death sentences for minor infractions. The police in baltimore are so corrupt they've practically got their own pod in the state prison.

But state-sanctioned racist violence is a tradition going back to 1776 so it feels normal to a lot of people who will perform all sorts of olympic-worthy mental gymnastics to justify black people being shot in front of their kids during minor traffic stops.

Speaking of shootings, sometimes they shoot each other accidentally. Oops! I can think of no other job where accidental killings are routinely dismissed as par the course.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/washin...ested-library-officer-killed-during-training/

A retired police lieutenant has been arrested after police say he fatally shot a fellow law enforcement officer Thursday during a training exercise at a Washington D.C. library.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/us/st-louis-race-police.html

Mr. Green had been a police officer for more than a decade. And while he had bonded with colleagues across the department, he also had come to see distinct differences between black officers like himself and white officers like those involved in the pursuit that night. He had heard his share of racially insensitive remarks at work, but on that balmy evening in 2017, Mr. Green’s outlook on the differences between black and white officers would be damaged beyond repair.

He heard a bang. He felt a sting in his right forearm. A white colleague had shot him.

https://www.newsweek.com/police-officer-accidentally-shoots-cop-dog-attack-video-1727160

Body camera footage shows a police officer in Tennessee accidentally shooting a deputy who was fending off a dog attack.

Unfortunately, sometimes these shootings claim the lives of children.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2022/07/brett-rosenau-police-swat-raid-flashbang-granade/

Early in the morning on July 7, after a SWAT team bombarded a home in Albuquerque, New Mexico, with chemical irritants and a flashbang device, detectives went inside and found the corpse of a teenage boy. Brett Rosenau, 15, was not suspected of any crime.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...t-by-police-remembered-at-los-angeles-funeral

A 14-year-old girl who died after a Los Angeles police officer fired at a suspect at a clothing store and the bullet pierced a wall was remembered Monday as a happy teen with many friends who loved sports, adored animals and excelled in school.

To draw a damning parallel, in the state of Texas it requires more hours of training to become a licensed hair dresser than to become a cop.
 
In the UK we have the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) which investigates every death in which the police are involved. Is there an equivalent body in the US?

In the United States, the FBI investigates police corruption, while the Department of Justice investigates police misconduct in violation of federal laws, including the Constitution. Most police departments also have a division that investigates Internal Affairs. In some cases independent police auditors can investigate citizen complaints, without going through Internal Affairs.
 
...In some cases independent police auditors can investigate citizen complaints, without going through Internal Affairs.

Investigations of law enforcement, or DAs, or other types of authority is usually done by a Special Counsel appointed by a political body. IA usually only handles individual criminal behavior within a police department not, for obvious reasons, institutional corruption or malfeasance.

Uvalde should have a Special Counsel but Abbot won't have it. We all know why.
 
In the United States, the FBI investigates police corruption, while the Department of Justice investigates police misconduct in violation of federal laws, including the Constitution. Most police departments also have a division that investigates Internal Affairs. In some cases independent police auditors can investigate citizen complaints, without going through Internal Affairs.

A recipe for deep-fried nepotism. 'Hey can you investigate your buddies and colleagues?' 'Sure! I did, I found no wrongdoing.'

Ergo:

Uvalde should have a Special Counsel but Abbot won't have it. We all know why.

Police criminality is a perfect mirror of sex crimes where we know it's happening and we know it happens a lot but that's not being reflected in the prosecution numbers. Whatever it is they do, they're getting away with it more often than not. There's even been retaliation for officers who do call attention to corruption.

So long as the police answer to no one but themselves, the badge is just a get out of jail free card.
 
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In the United States, the FBI investigates police corruption, while the Department of Justice investigates police misconduct in violation of federal laws, including the Constitution. Most police departments also have a division that investigates Internal Affairs. In some cases independent police auditors can investigate citizen complaints, without going through Internal Affairs.

Thanks. So is it the case that an independent enquiry takes place each time a police officer shoots a member of the public to determine whether or not the officer was acting appropriately?
 
Thanks. So is it the case that an independent enquiry takes place each time a police officer shoots a member of the public to determine whether or not the officer was acting appropriately?

no. If an "independant inquiry" happens it will only be because there is a glaring problem with the police DEPARTMENT that embarrasses politicians.

Generally, police kill people usually Black, and no authority gives a shit - because the law is written to exempt from accountability, excuse, and bury the abuse of Black people. THAT is the problem.
 
no. If an "independant inquiry" happens it will only be because there is a glaring problem with the police DEPARTMENT that embarrasses politicians.

Generally, police kill people usually Black, and no authority gives a shit - because the law is written to exempt from accountability, excuse, and bury the abuse of Black people. THAT is the problem.

The figures quoted by fabulouslyghetto earlier were 987 police shootings, of which 223 were of black people. That, by my maths, leaves 764 shootings of non-black people. I'd agree that the number of black deaths is disproportionate in the way fabulouslyghetto describes, but it doesn't seem to me that the police "usually" kill black people.
 
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The figures quoted by fabulouslyghetto earlier were 987 police shootings, of which 223 were of black people. That, by my maths, leaves 764 shootings of non-black people. I'd agree that the number of black deaths is disproportionate in the way fabulouslyghetto describes, but it doesn't seem to me that the police "usually" kill black people.

Read the room? The Dept of Justice is having to step in to handle these cases. A District Attorney in Georgia was charged with trying to cover up Ahmed Aubrey's murder. These shootings shouldn't be happening at all and when they do there should be repercussions, there aren't hence these cases going federal. Nothing has really changed since the civil rights era when cops were pointing guns at kids. the only difference is for the first time in history we have live video of the police kicking our asses, but because it's been normalized it's not ringing any alarms, culminating in exactly what I predicted, it's happening to white people now, like that kid in vegas who was murdered by a cop for not doing the hokey pokey in the correct order.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...obbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981

And as such is the case when cops kill black people, the officer was coddled by his department who temporarily re-hired him in order to help him collect 31k/year in tax-funded disability pension cuz, get this, he was traumatized by murdering someone. Shooting an unarmed kid gave him PTSD. ](*,) If I were his family I would feel like the whole state just fucked me with no lube.

Shaver was seen on police bodycam video crawling on the floor of a Mesa hotel and sobbing for his life before he was shot — a case that drew national scrutiny over the use of deadly force.

My heart sank when I watched this shooting cuz if there's no justice for white men in America there's no hope for anybody.
 
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The figures quoted by fabulouslyghetto earlier were 987 police shootings, of which 223 were of black people. That, by my maths, leaves 764 shootings of non-black people. I'd agree that the number of black deaths is disproportionate in the way fabulouslyghetto describes, but it doesn't seem to me that the police "usually" kill black people.

That sounds like minimization. Well yes BUT...no

Yes, police usually kill black people, then brown people, shootings are not killings, and that doesn't even begin to cover the things the police reports don't say.
 
That sounds like minimization. Well yes BUT...no

Yes, police usually kill black people, then brown people, shootings are not killings, and that doesn't even begin to cover the things the police reports don't say.

This. They're so comfortable lying (without consequence) they're still doing it even with bodycams running. This is a byproduct of years before everyone had camera phones when it was their word vs a citizen. 3 guesses who usually won that battle. And the prevailing narrative was "So the cops just beat you up? Yeah right!" "So the cops just planted drugs on your person? Yeah right!"


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...rugs-in-body-cam-footage-public-defender-says

A Baltimore man was held in jail for months after police found a stash of drugs — but the officer who found the drugs also seems to be the one who hid them in that spot, according to footage from his body camera. The public defender's office says the man is now free and it is questioning the officer's involvement in 53 active cases.

Strangely, lying and falsifying a report are misdemeanors that can also be felonies depending on the circumstances but that point is moot if the people enforcing the law are your buddies.
 
How gross can police culture possibly get? Why are people of color expected to trust our safety with these people?

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/07/1116221784/vincent-alabama-racist-text-police

The Shelby County Sheriff's Office on Friday condemned the two officers' actions and said it stands with the city "in providing emergency law enforcement related service to the citizens (of Vincent) at this time."

In the message, which recently surfaced on social media, someone identified as "752″ texts: "What do y'all call a pregnant slave?" An unidentified recipient responds twice: "?" and "??"

"752″ answers: "BOGO Buy one, get one free"
 
In today's episode of "if he was black they would've killed him immediately," white guy attacks the feds, shot by police only AFTER negotiations were attempted.
 
In today's episode of "if he was black they would've killed him immediately," white guy attacks the feds, shot by police only AFTER negotiations were attempted.

Worth mentioning: this was round #2. He was at the Capitol on Jan 6th.
 
Worth mentioning: this was round #2. He was at the Capitol on Jan 6th.

The slow-roll reigning in of domestic terrorists is going to cost more lives. Worst case scenario, it's gonna take a major figure getting hurt-- a judge, a celebrity.
 
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