In today's episode of what the fuck were the police thinking, cops draw guns on and detain 11 year old girl

[luckynumbah7]

I'm not even going to touch that one.

Oh, I'll touch it. They didn't have a bolo for the minor and a frisk would've turned up nothing. It wasn't even the aunt's house, and she clearly wasn't her aunt. You cannot pull a gun on someone just because you think they look suspicious when leaving their front door, even when their racist ass suspects a dime bag in an en 11yr old's pocket. That's not how this shit is supposed to work. No warrant and no parental or lawerly representation was involved for the minor's rights. Certainly you don't pull a gun on an eleven year old, jesus wept. They had no reason to handcuff or shove her in the car. That was entirely illegal. My god I hope he's fired.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

On tomorrow's episode of WTFWTPT: Masked cops take a handcuffed man around the corner so they can beat the shit out of him

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/vv...-taking-man-around-building-to-beat-tase-him/

Obviously the handcuffed man is black (what other color would he be?) and I know your first thought is going to be "He shouldn't have been resisting, he shouldn't have struck an officer", but the video begins with him being calmly walked out of a store and standing next to a police car, the entire duration of this part of the video everyone is calm and he's complying, not at all resisting. The cops take him around the corner out of view of passersby who are recording (why?) and moments later you hear him crying out in pain, by the time the camera lady catches up three officers have him on the ground with the tazer out.

Of all the times I read "they shouldn't have been resisting the Officers" in response to videos I watched, what the Officers did still wouldn't be justified if the individual did actually resist. Resisting doesn't give the Officer the right to beat the living shit out of you. There's a very clear difference between trying to control the situation when resisting arrest happens and excessive force. Most people don't seem to know the difference.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Of all the times I read "they shouldn't have been resisting the Officers" in response to videos I watched, what the Officers did still wouldn't be justified if the individual did actually resist. Resisting doesn't give the Officer the right to beat the living shit out of you. There's a very clear difference between trying to control the situation when resisting arrest happens and excessive force. Most people don't seem to know the difference.

*lightbulb* often times they weren't even resisting, and like you said even if they were that isn't a green light to beat the shit out of somebody. But as long as the victim has been black nobody gave a damn, they really aren't going to start pressing this issue until it bleeds over into white America.

 

[Alistair]

Oh, I'll touch it. They didn't have a bolo for the minor and a frisk would've turned up nothing. It wasn't even the aunt's house, and she clearly wasn't her aunt. You cannot pull a gun on someone just because you think they look suspicious when leaving their front door, even when their racist ass suspects a dime bag in an en 11yr old's pocket. That's not how this shit is supposed to work. No warrant and no parental or lawerly representation was involved for the minor's rights. Certainly you don't pull a gun on an eleven year old, jesus wept. They had no reason to handcuff or shove her in the car. That was entirely illegal. My god I hope he's fired.

Why? Because the girl was black and the aunt was white? You do know that's possible don't you?

Or do you mean the girl was clearly not the suspect?

I'm confused

 

[luckynumbah7]

But as long as the victim has been black nobody gave a damn, they really aren't going to start pressing this issue until it bleeds over into white America.

https://www.thenation.com/article/four-disabled-dead-in-another-week-of-police-brutality/

It's been bled over for a while. It just hasn't made it to the able-bodied/minded in great swathes yet.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Why? Because the girl was black and the aunt was white? You do know that's possible don't you?

Or do you mean the girl was clearly not the suspect?

I'm confused

I mean the girl was clearly not the suspect. I'm not sure how that's a confusing statement. I've never accidentally mistook my sisters from Dad's third wife for their grandmother, who's native american. The height and size difference alone tends to be a giveaway - and besides which, the albino isn't remotely the shade of her grandmother.

You can't even get most kids to sound like adults - the resonance just isn't there.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I mean the girl was clearly not the suspect. I'm not sure how that's a confusing statement. I've never accidentally mistook my sisters from Dad's third wife for their grandmother, who's native american. The height and size difference alone tends to be a giveaway - and besides which, the albino isn't remotely the shade of her grandmother.

You can't even get most kids to sound like adults - the resonance just isn't there.

-Tho this does need a 'depends on the lighting conditions, contrast, distance and color' combination. personal addendum., as I've made mistakes on race, sex, and age before. But they last for perhaps a minute or three until I can get closer/adequate contrast/whatever to make something out. The cop isn't in remotely the same situation. And if he were he would've developed some behavior to combat the issue of not knowing to whome you're speaking.

What I mean is, the cop had a bolo for a white woman. Tiny black kid is not an adult white woman. Not that the cop is supposed to react in that manner with anybody, just pointing out that I don't believe it's probable for someone with full vision to mistake the age, weight, height and race of said suspect. Even I wouldn't've missed all four of those at the same time.

--Well, sometimes longer than a minute or three. If the ethnic identifiers are mostly facial, I'm fucked and stuck listening for accents and names.

 

[luckynumbah7]

My first thought was, "She was dealing drugs." Because kids do favors for relatives and neighbors.

Actually, I have a question. How did your thought process go from 'white aunt suspected of stabbing' to 'tiny drug mule'? I'm having a hell of a time making that particular connection. I've some experience with my own aunt, albeit her violence always involved her mental illness - but I can't say that anyone went "Let's go to their relatives' house, cuff 'em and toss 'em in the car because surely a bit of stabbery involves someone else entirely running drugs."

 

[Centipede]

Truly the most corrupt mafia/gang in our nation is our law enforcement officers.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Of all the times I read "they shouldn't have been resisting the Officers" in response to videos I watched, what the Officers did still wouldn't be justified if the individual did actually resist. Resisting doesn't give the Officer the right to beat the living shit out of you.

Usually, "resisting arrest" is nothing more than an instinctive attempt at staying alive. Which American police consider a crime.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Why? Because the girl was black and the aunt was white? You do know that's possible don't you?

Or do you mean the girl was clearly not the suspect?

I'm confused

They were looking for a white adult and ended up mistreating a black child.

 

[luckynumbah7]

He read my statement as 'they couldn't be related' instead of 'there's no way she was mistaken for her aunt'.

 

[Thad1527]

My first reaction came when I was watching a TV "teaser" about this incident. They only mentioned an 11-year-old girl was handcuffed..."details coming up."
When the details were "revealed", I immediately did a mental 180-degree turn. I don't like blaming victims and as soon as I recognized who the victim WAS I changed my opinion.
Maybe too much TV made me cynical that night. But I will stand with those who are abused.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

They were looking for a white adult and ended up mistreating a black child.

Or as law enforcement calls it, turning lemons into lemonade.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Usually, "resisting arrest" is nothing more than an instinctive attempt at staying alive. Which American police consider a crime.

Agreed.

I would “resist arrest” as well if I thought my life was in danger.

 

[Thad1527]

My grandfather, who died long before I was born, was a policeman, with the Pennsylvania State Police and police chief of Swarthmore, Pa. when he died.

I was raised that "The policeman is your friend." What happened to that? Was it never true? I can't believe that.

 

[Alistair]

My grandfather, who died long before I was born, was a policeman, with the Pennsylvania State Police and police chief of Swarthmore, Pa. when he died.

I was raised that "The policeman is your friend." What happened to that? Was it never true? I can't believe that.

Well don't forget you are a white guy. I was raised to believe that too

 

[luckynumbah7]

I was raised that "The policeman is your friend." What happened to that? Was it never true? I can't believe that.

I'm gonna go with the 'never true'. Friends don't chase friends out of town by sundown, as a racial example. Friends don't plant shit on their friends. Certainly friends don't, generally speaking, use any and every shoddy bit of 'reasoning' to literally shoot you in the back. Examples of bad behavior were never an uncommon thing.

Here's a depressing little number from the ex wife of a cop, since it's kind've segued into abusive behavior and people's propensity for such.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2015/10/26/police-wife-the-secret-epidemic-of-police-domestic-violence/

I can't say that 'Cops are your friends' was something I ever heard from my parents, no. My father in particular has a bias, some of it was probably earned, but I'd bet most of it wasn't. That's not to say I haven't met friendly cops or cops who didn't do their job exquisitely (at least from what I noted at the time), but to believe they're my friends ....no. At best they introduce possible hope, at worst they make something go pear shaped. S'the best I can give ya.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

My grandfather, who died long before I was born, was a policeman, with the Pennsylvania State Police and police chief of Swarthmore, Pa. when he died.

I was raised that "The policeman is your friend." What happened to that? Was it never true? I can't believe that.

Depends on who you ask. Police aren't a separate, glorious species apart from humanity, they're regular Joes just like everybody else except they wear a badge. Being human leaves them susceptible to all the worst parts of humanity-- the same creatures that brought us genocide, Tuskegee, sexual violence, oppression, war, et cetera. Drugs, pedophillia, domestic violence, corruption, theft, violation of civil rights, these have always gone on in police departments all over the US and because we have this culture of fearing and revering them it all happens pretty much unchallenged. It's one of the few (remaining) professions where you can do things that would land an ordinary citizen in prison and simply be suspended for a week or given a verbal reprimand.

 

[Thad1527]

Agreed, there are corrupt cops. And inept cops. And corrupt, inept cops. (Yikes.)