Indiana Legalizes Discrimination Against Gays

[White Eagle]

I found this from USUncut and it speaks for itself.

 

[T-Rexx]

The Indianapolis Star (Indiana's biggest newpaper) has taken the extraordinary step of publishing an editorial on its front page.

The Star calls on governor Pence to pass an LGBT anti-discrimination bill.

Of course, Pence has vowed that he will never pass such a bill, as that would make discrimination against gays illegal, and defeat the entire purpose of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was supposed to make discrimination against gays legal.

Republicans in Indiana are about to make their situation noticeably worse. They are about to pass a "clarification" to the RFRA which says absolutely nothing, and will therefore clarify that their intention all along was to discriminate against gays. They are digging their heels into anti-gay hatred, and they will pay a price for that.

http://www.indystar.com/story/opini...pence-fix-religious-freedom-law-now/70698802/

 

[T-Rexx]

Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Piyush Jindal, Scott Walker, and Ben Carson have all come out in support of discrimination against gays in Indiana.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ial-candidates-voice-support-for-indiana-law/

Hard to think of a more clear sign that the GOP is out of step with American values. I am absolutely convinced none of these guys has a chance at the presidency. Not because they are anti-gay, but because they just don't have a clue about what's going on in this country.

It's kind of amazing.

 

[TX-Beau]

Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Piyush Jindal, Scott Walker, and Ben Carson have all come out in support of discrimination against gays in Indiana.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ial-candidates-voice-support-for-indiana-law/

Hard to think of a more clear sign that the GOP is out of step with American values. I am absolutely convinced none of these guys has a chance at the presidency. Not because they are anti-gay, but because they just don't have a clue about what's going on in this country.

It's kind of amazing.

I keep telling y'all, these people live on Planet Conservabot. What pisses me off the most is the antiquated political system we have that magnifies what is not at all a majority of our population.

 

[TX-Beau]

There is nothing wrong in being conservative, the wrong is in the crooked liars who parade as "conservatives": a conservative is someone merely prudent before the obvious realization that things must change and are changing, but needs to be sure they are doing so in the right direction; it's someone aware of all the implications of change, who has a global view of things in the world: it's someone who actually thinks. Not only there is nothing wrong, but it is even quite desirable: the British are the conservative nation par excellence, but people only see it in their silly wigs in the court rooms and drag queens on the throne.

A reactionary is what is usually mistook for a conservative, but the sort we are dealing with here are not even that: they are just like the Spaniards who take themselves as elite and as conservative, the good-for-nothing, ignorant idlers who are a spoke in the wheels of the Western world by holding a high position they didn't actually earn, let alone deserve, but merely crept into, justified with but a small fraction of the merits and skills others left outside possess, and who will therefore be in position and invested with the authority to defend a system they do not actually understand, for the reasons said above: they just climbed to the position and, most importantly, the benefits, of a system already set by others and on which they only needed to sit, but that they wouldn't and couldn't know how to drive.

"Conservative" and "Liberal," in the U.S. do not mean what those terms mean elsewhere. The Pub base isn't by any definition comprised of the wealthy - they are there of course, but the average 'Pub isn't the 1%.

 

[Ninja108]

When you have the biggest anti-gay bigots in your state backing a law, it's anti-gay, period.

 

[Vitamin]

Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Piyush Jindal, Scott Walker, and Ben Carson have all come out in support of discrimination against gays in Indiana.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ial-candidates-voice-support-for-indiana-law/

Hard to think of a more clear sign that the GOP is out of step with American values. I am absolutely convinced none of these guys has a chance at the presidency. Not because they are anti-gay, but because they just don't have a clue about what's going on in this country.

It's kind of amazing.

I have a gut feeling that if Jeb Bush wins the primary he will mysteriously change his mind in the primary. Not that I would ever vote for him, but something tells me they're all just trying to rally the base at this point(minus Cruz, Santourum, Jindal, and Carson of course).

 

[belamyi]

"Conservative" and "Liberal," in the U.S. do not mean what those terms mean elsewhere. The Pub base isn't by any definition comprised of the wealthy - they are there of course, but the average 'Pub isn't the 1%.

They mean the same everywhere: after a suppression of a division of society in Estates in which what count are not the individual minds, but the majority of Estates against or for each other, the mere number of wealthy alone would be totally helpless in even the crassest voting system, that is why they need to hook as many mindless penniless fuckers to support them through blind hate and ignorance. That is why democracy is such a hoax without education, BUT also why the suppression of democracy until everyone would be enlightened and informed enough to vote truly freely is an even bigger hoax.

 

[belamyi]

When you have the biggest anti-gay bigots in your state backing a law, it's anti-gay, period.

You know that is not necessarily so only by what you wrote there: it would be the assumption through repeated observation and confirmation that those people never mobilize if it's not to bash the gays that would make that true

 

[rareboy]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

Ah, but you want laws limiting the rights of employers, restaurant owners etc. Worse, anti discriminatin laws in effect become quota laws and preferences, limiting the rights of employers to hire the person they consider best, and the rights of qualified applicants. The extreme example is the Dobbs Frank law requiring the hiring of women and minorities "to the maximum extent possible" , in effect, white males need not apply. I suppose if gay are a minority, straight white males need not apply. Giving a right to some people diminishes the rights of others. Democrat burdens area already driving jobs out of the country.

You can peddle all you want. You can deflect all you want. The fact is....you lose this one. Your logic is so flawed as to be risible in this thread.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

You can peddle all you want. You can deflect all you want. The fact is....you lose this one. Your logic is so flawed as to be risible in this thread.

You are hardly in a position to be a judge of legal logic.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

For all the liberal and gay hysteria, the language of the Indiana statute is essentially the same as the Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act. This is from the wikipedia discussion:
" In the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Congress states in its findings that a religiously neutral law can burden a religion just as much as one that was intended to interfere with religion;[4] therefore the Act states that the “Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.”[5]

The law provided an exception if two conditions are both met. First, the burden must be necessary for the "furtherance of a compelling government interest."[5] Under strict scrutiny, a government interest is compelling when it is more than routine and does more than simply improve government efficiency. A compelling interest relates directly with core constitutional issues.[6] The second condition is that the rule must be the least restrictive way in which to further the government interest."

The Federal law was introduced in the House, by Rep Schumer and passed the Senate 93 t0 3 and was signed into law by Clinton. A similar law in Ill. was voted for by Obama. Maybe religious freedom is not such a bad thing after all.

 

[mikemizanin729]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

You are hardly in a position to be a judge of legal logic.

You need to Ignore that person.

 

[smokeshadow]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

For all the liberal and gay hysteria, the language of the Indiana statute is essentially the same as the Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act. This is from the wikipedia discussion:
" In the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Congress states in its findings that a religiously neutral law can burden a religion just as much as one that was intended to interfere with religion;[4] therefore the Act states that the “Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.”[5]

The law provided an exception if two conditions are both met. First, the burden must be necessary for the "furtherance of a compelling government interest."[5] Under strict scrutiny, a government interest is compelling when it is more than routine and does more than simply improve government efficiency. A compelling interest relates directly with core constitutional issues.[6] The second condition is that the rule must be the least restrictive way in which to further the government interest."

The Federal law was introduced in the House, by Rep Schumer and passed the Senate 93 t0 3 and was signed into law by Clinton. A similar law in Ill. was voted for by Obama. Maybe religious freedom is not such a bad thing after all.

However, Ben, Representative Chuck Schumer himself has stated that there are differences: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/31/indianas-rfra-similar-federal-rfra/70729888/

 

[rareboy]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

You are hardly in a position to be a judge of legal logic.

Ha. After all of us reading some of your most ridiculous and entirely incorrect paralegal interpretations of 'legal' issues...I can't believe you could type this without cracking up.

 

[rareboy]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

You need to Ignore that person.

This is about the most intelligent contribution you've made to this thread. Too bad it has nothing to do with the topic...but is only intended to bait. You really shouldn't be carrying your shit from thread to thread....I'm sure if I were you...I'd be hitting the Report Button.....

 

[mikemizanin729]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

This is about the most intelligent contribution you've made to this thread. Too bad it has nothing to do with the topic...but is only intended to bait. You really shouldn't be carrying your shit from thread to thread....I'm sure if I were you...I'd be hitting the Report Button.....

Just advising that's all.

 

[mikemizanin729]

just saw this a little while ago
http://www.outsports.com/2015/3/27/8303925/christian-indiana-business-gay-refuse-service

I wonder what would happen if the NCAA pulled out of Indiana

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/armour-ncaas-next-moves-should-be-out-of-indiana/ar-AAa3Tcm

First link worked but I couldn't get the second one to load.

 

[White Eagle]

I wonder if they could open a chapter in Kerrville, Tx. This is great!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/...ns-the-door-for-the-first-church-of-cannabis/


Whoops: Indiana’s anti-gay ‘religious freedom’ act opens the door for the First Church of Cannabis
Tom Boggioni
29 Mar 2015 at 20:55 ET

In a classic case of “unintended consequences,” the recently signed Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) in Indiana may have opened the door for the establishment of the First Church of Cannabis in the Hoosier State.

While Governor Mike Pence (R) was holding a signing ceremony for the bill allowing businesses and individuals to deny services to gays on religious grounds or values, paperwork for the First Church of Cannabis Inc. was being filed with the Secretary of State’s office, reports RTV6.

 

[White Eagle]

Best one yet! Go Stephen!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/stephen-king-indiana-anti-gay_n_6977248.html

Stephen King Has Our Favorite Response Yet To Indiana's 'Religious Freedom' Law
The Huffington Post | By Cavan Sieczkowski

Posted: 03/31/2015 12:36 pm EDT Updated: 03/31/2015 8:23 pm EDT

Stephen King might be a man of many words, but he kept his response to Indiana's new anti-gay law short and sweet.

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was signed into law earlier this month, allows individuals and/or companies to cite religious freedom if sued for discrimination, thus, potentially legalizing discrimination against the LGBT community in the Hoosier State.

The declaration has resulted in a slew of backlash against Pence and the state from individuals and companies alike.

King, who split his time between Indiana and Connecticut as a child, took to Twitter to offer his opinion Monday, and he did not mince words, tweeting, "Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration act is gay discrimination, pure and simple. You can frost a dog turd, but it's still a dog turd."