Insulting Globe and Mail Editorial Cartoon

[Ram]

Well then your friend needs to change their glass prescriptions. The people on the elephants are elongated and dressed in stereotypical indian way but are clearly not monkey.

Erh, no.

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[Thad1527]

I saw non-humans at first too. I wasn't sure if they were monkeys...but I didn't see people.
Since the creatures in question are making love, not war, though, I'm passing on the protest.

 

[undisclosed1234]

Erh, no.

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I said *stereotypical* not traditional.

Big diff.

 

[luminum]

Wow, I guess a lot of people here have a dim view of how modern Indian people dress. I guess they're all wearing dhotis and riding elephants in New Delhi...

What's next? Squinty-eyed Chinese people with buck teeth, long fingernails, a fu manchu and braids? But then, how would we be able to tell they were Chinese unless someone drew them like that.

 

[Ram]

I said *stereotypical* not traditional.

Big diff.

Erh, no...


Yes, yes you did. My bad.

 

[chatolandia]

If the cartoon was about Puerto Ricans. I would be insulted


But the cartoon is about Indians (we don't have elephants)... if the Indian-Canadian community protests, I would support them..

but I am not in the business of taking someone elses' cross...


that's a Jesus thing

 

[Fire]

It's an exaggerated drawing. Not racist. Get off it.

car·i·ca·ture (kār'ĭ-kə-chŏŏr', -chər)

n. A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject's distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect.


And when that subject is an entire ethnicity, and the "features or peculiarities" being exaggerated are ethnic stereotypes, what do you call it?

A racist caricature.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

And they had to still portray gay men as sexual predators with the "gay" elephant feeling up the horrified straight one.

Don't even get me started with the big-lipped, famine-thin, monkey-like and half-naked caricatures of Indian men.

 

[Ram]

If the men on the elephants were black, I bet this thread would look a whole lot different.

But whatever really. It's a cartoon, a joke. I've made tons of racist, pedophilia, dead babies, MJ jokes myself. Sometimes cartoons and jokes like this are not meant to offend. In fact, they subtly reveal the hypocrisy our society runs on.


R.I.P easy as A.B.C...

 

[undisclosed1234]

car·i·ca·ture (kār'ĭ-kə-chŏŏr', -chər)

n. A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject's distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect.


And when that subject is an entire ethnicity, and the "features or peculiarities" being exaggerated are ethnic stereotypes, what do you call it?

A racist caricature.

Of course they're portraying indian men broadly to be instantly recognizable way associative to the issue- that's the point! A generalized and visual quip on a current issue. Is it stereotypical? Absolutely! A gross common denominator to a group of people- same with standards of hippies, republicans, liberals, rednecks, etc. That's what satirical cartoons are! What, because they're Indian the cartoon should be photo-referenced Greg-Land piece of art?

I'm the son of a cartoonist and have been exposed to these kinds drawings my whole life. Apparently if you exaggerated features to draw a white person, it's a caricature. If you exaggerated features to represent an ethnic person; it's racism.

Faantastic standards there. Really. Aren't you politically correct and socially conscious? Pat yourselves on the back.

 

[Apollo]

^But in a PC world, there is no room for fun or caricatures.

duuuuuuuh!

 

[rareboy]

So..Undisclosed...

As the son of a cartoonist. I guess you just know all don't you.....

I read it differently. I read you differently.

How do we draw you then?

Some mincing lisping effeminate gayboy?

Limpwristed like the one character in the cartoon?

Or some pasty faced anglo nancy boy all swishing and swooning because of the Stonewall riots?

Fucking brain dead because daddy drew racist caricatures into this century?

Frankly, I've written you off. God knows what other opinions you hold, but they can't be worth spit in a sandstorm.

Sometimes cartoons and jokes like this are not meant to offend. In fact, they subtly reveal the hypocrisy our society runs on.

But in this case, Seeta, sadly,
I know it is not. Not at all. And that it was makes it such a crushing disappointment and embarassment appearing in this newspaper. In Canada. In 2009.

Jasun understands...

And you know everyone....that is enough for me.

 

[Ram]

Rareboy, I understand too.

 

[Apollo]

No offense to Jasun, but what is so great about him?

He understands, and that is all that matters?

 

[Ram]

But in this case, Seeta, sadly,
I know it is not. Not at all. And that it was makes it such a crushing disappointment and embarassment appearing in this newspaper. In Canada. In 2009.

I understand what you mean. There's a fine line separating humor and racism and in this instance, the cartoon is a little more towards the racism section.

I've been desensitized to racism, and that's why I'm not as animated with my feelings as most of you are.

It's a joke that's really, really bad. Not "bad" as in "funny bad", but "bad" as in "Dane Cook bad". Yup, it's not funny.

 

[rareboy]

No offense to Jasun, but what is so great about him?

He understands, and that is all that matters?

Jasun is like my white charger. When I see how desensitized and indifferent many of the posters can be, Jasun's opinion is a kind of benchmark. We see the world, for better or worse, in much the same way.

So frankly, for all the Undiscloseds... seeing nothing wrong with the way that the Glob would portray the gay Indian world; if Jasun sees the same puerile paucity of intellect that I do in the feeble drawing of a third rate cartoonist, I am satisfied.

Other opinions provoke my contemplation, but Jasun's tells me that I wasn't far afield in my reading of the intent of this piece of crap.

 

[Apollo]

Jasun is like my white charger. When I see how desensitized and indifferent many of the posters can be, Jasun's opinion is a kind of benchmark. We see the world, for better or worse, in much the same way.

So frankly, for all the Undiscloseds... seeing nothing wrong with the way that the Glob would portray the gay Indian world; if Jasun sees the same puerile paucity of intellect that I do in the feeble drawing of a third rate cartoonist, I am satisfied.

Other opinions provoke my contemplation, but Jasun's tells me that I wasn't far afield in my reading of the intent of this piece of crap.

I kinda thought he was joking in his post. But if he wasn't, ok.

And thanks for explaining.

 

[undisclosed1234]

Frankly, I've written you off. God knows what other opinions you hold, but they can't be worth spit in a sandstorm.

Heh, there's the sign of someone who has a clue what they're talking about; ignoring refutation and circle-jerking with people who share the same opinion. O'Reilly could learn from you.

err, I mean:

"Ooooh no! Don't write me off! Not off!"

I guess I'm now in that little room in your mind along with logic, common sense, and an objective mind...It's getting crowded in there, don't you think?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I kinda thought he was joking in his post. But if he wasn't, ok.

And thanks for explaining.

I wasn't.

The message I get from that is "They may have taken gay sex off the law books but they're still a bunch of stupid, poor, smelly savages who ride animals and don't wear clothes."

Racist and embarrassing in 2009.

 

[Ram]

As you all know, I'm Indian and my family is obviously Indian.

I showed them the picture. Here are the results:

1) All of them (brother, sister, Mom and Aunt) saw monkeys riding on elephants and are very pissed off right now.

I still don't see it! A racist optical illusion, I suppose?

2) Only 2 (brother and sister) saw the homophobic message (after I explained of course); Mom and Aunt still pissed off about the monkeys to care.

My dad doesn't get it.