iphone "jailbreaking". good idea?

[T-Rexx]

^ No. It doesn't. See Government Approved iPhone Jailbreaking Won't Help Users.

Also, AT&T has a long-standing policy of unlocking their phones after the user has been a customer in good standing for 90 days. AT&T says this policy also applies to the iPhone. However, Apple refuses to provide the unlock codes to AT&T, to allow iPhones to run on other networks.

Apple believes in locking the end-users of its products tightly to the Apple ecosystem. When you buy an Apple product, it comes with lots of strings attached.

 

[hotatlboi]

^ No. It doesn't.

Yes...it does.

The article you posted said it is still legal for Apple to say they can void your warranty if you jailbreak it, and it is also legal for them to refuse to allow you to unlock. I agree with those and never disputed them. It probably says something to that effect in the contract.

What you said was that it is legal for Apple to "brick" any jailbroken phones. That is entirely different. I took that to mean, rendering the device and all data on it unusable via some kind of active process that would target users who have jailbroken.

Apple most assuredly does not have the legal right to do that.

 

[Corny]

give it up T-Rexx hotatlboi has proven several times that arguing with him is pointless he can even deny facts

Very few people who use the iphone do not recognize that some of Apple's policies are stupid.

Yet they are so stupid and still support apple with their money.

 

[hotatlboi]

give it up T-Rexx hotatlboi has proven several times that arguing with him is pointless he can even deny facts

Huh? I didn't deny any facts. I denied false statements. It is entirely false that Apple has a legal right to "brick" your phone and destroy your data just because you jailbreak it.

Yet they are so stupid and still support apple with their money.

That makes absolutely no sense. You're arguing a false dichotomy. You are saying that if there is ANYTHING about a company you disagree with you shouldn't buy a product from them? Really?

I'm quite sure that purchasers of other phones from other companies can find something they dislike about those products or those companies.

 

[Corny]

there is a difference when i dislike SOMETHING of a product or that a company does, or if I act against the very basic principle of the company politic.

and no, they bricking your phone would be entirely legal if you tell you so in their tos or whatever.

 

[T-Rexx]

give it up T-Rexx hotatlboi has proven several times that arguing with him is pointless he can even deny facts

I noticed that.

...and no, they bricking your phone would be entirely legal if you tell you so in their tos or whatever.

Yes.

Obviously, it would be very foolish for Apple to start bricking phones that customers have jailbroken, but there is nothing in this ruling that would prevent Apple from doing so. If anyone cares to read the ruling of the Librarian of Congress, you can do so here.


At the moment, if you jailbreak, here's what will happen:

1) You void your warranty. That means any problems you bring to them will cost you $200 to fix (whether or not the problem was related to the jailbreak).

2) If you choose a non-AT&T carrier, you will violate your carrier agreement with AT&T. That means the substantial early termination penalties will apply. (This is only a theoretical possibility, however, as Apple still refuses to release the unlock codes for the iPhone. In other words, it is no longer illegal to try to unlock your iPhone, but Apple does not currently allow iPhones to be unlocked.)

3) Every time there is a software update, you will need to re-jailbreak your phone. Apple does not now and does not ever intend to support jailbreaking. All jailbreaks will always be unofficial "hacks."

4) Apple has implied that if something "should happen" to brick a jail-broken phone, they may not work to restore the phone to any kind of functional state. It's a permanent brick. (Not that they would ever do anything intentionally to cause that, of course).

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/110168/how-to-jailbreak-and-unlock-your-iphone

 

[hotatlboi]

and no, they bricking your phone would be entirely legal if you tell you so in their tos or whatever.

That would be questionably legal, I doubt that would survive a court challenge.

But in any case, they don't mention that they will be doing anything like that in the TOS, so yes it would in fact be illegal in any case as it is.

 

[hotatlboi]

there is a difference when i dislike SOMETHING of a product or that a company does, or if I act against the very basic principle of the company politic.

...on one particular issue.

Again, you are equating this one policy with everything about the company and the product. That's a gross oversimplification.

 

[Corny]

^ oh yeah, sure let me get out the big gun again.
so if i say for example say that you shouldn't buy from nike* because their shoes are great but they are made through child labor .. is that "one policy" and a "gross oversimplification" as well? ah no sure that's something ENTIRELY different .. there are CHILDREN involved .. right?

the rule is simple. don't give your money to companies who either want to fuck you or others over. if they want you to not have any control over the product that you buy, don't buy the fucking product. and in american law the company doesn't need to give a fuck if they brick your product if you use it differently then they intend you to do. ask motorolla.

*just an example i have no facts if they actually do that, but people have accused them of it in the past.

 

[hotatlboi]

don't give your money to companies who either want to fuck you or others over.

And with a statement like that we come right back to my original point.

Every company wants to do that.

No large multinational corporation really gives a shit about Joe consumer.

All are in it to maximize profit.

That includes any alternative phone or computer makers you might choose over Apple.

To think otherwise is simply delusional.

 

[Lostlover]

I'm all for this...

Limiting who you can deal with is anti-competition. So why haven't the feds done something earlier?

Now Apple is blackmailing us saying they'll void our contract if we go with "outside" app makers. BS.

 

[trawler69]

As a once sceptical convert to Apple on both its computers and its phones I am now getting well and truly hacked off by the arse holes who question my choice at every turn. I am fully aware of any and all limitations but I decide what I will and won't put up with. I decided not to get the first gen iphone as it was too restrictive for me. I did get the 3G and I did jail break it for a while for the tethering though this restriction would have been agreed between Apple and the service provider for obvious commercial reasons.

I now have an iPhone4 and am more than happy with it, it does everything I want and does it fast and well. I do not have a problem with the apps having to be approved by Apple if this means that they will work correctly with the phone and not cause undesired operation.

The lock downs that Apple apply across their product range have one very beneficial effect for the end user in that it means that they work. I compare this to windows and the plethora of software written for it that causes all manner of problems and crashes. How often do you hear the phrase "Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the driver?"

I justify my choice purely on the improvement it has made to my computing experience, even my friends have commented on how I no longer swear and rant continuously over my computer. This is in contrast to the office where I occasionally have to reside which has all its occupants continually cursing their computers for one reason or another.

So in conclusion: Yes I like my Apple products and I like them for the reasons stated, I defend my right to argue my corner as I respect others rights to stick up for theirs but I think that what is even worse than an Apple Fan Boi is a bigot who hates on principal rather than based on experience.

 

[MindBlast]

iphone 4's sold through Apple (direct) in Canada will be jailbroken by default.