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Op-Ed Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

JayHawk said:
The original intent in Iraq was to knock it down and establish a pincher with Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west of Iran. The plan was weak to have a follow on government and it didnt materialize.
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The problem was that the Bush administration did not calculate the demographic make up of Iraq, likely because Republicans are not terribly cultured or aware of the outside world. Two thirds subscribe to Shiite Islam. What was a replacement government supposed to look like?
 
Callum said:
I don't agree with Israeli policies/politics, but they haven't really been wrong on anything yet. I'd trust Israeli intelligence over Persian.
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And that's the magic of being Israeli. The liberal Western world hates you no matter what you do, even though you are the only westernized and developed country in that part of the world. So you have free reign to do whatever you want, without political consequences.
 
Kulindahr said:
What source do you get your lies from? I've listened to Obama twice now speak about the issue, and he hasn't blamed any Republicans.
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Here's one example ...

PRESIDENT OBAMA: The last point I'll make is that in terms of expectation setting, there's no doubt that in an environment in which we had to fight tooth and nail to get this passed, it ended up being passed on a partisan basis -- not for lack of trying, because I met with an awful lot of Republicans to try to get them to go along -- but because there was just ideological resistance to the idea of dealing with the uninsured and people with preexisting conditions. There was a price to that, and it was that what was already going to be hard was operating within a very difficult political environment. And we should have anticipated that that would create a rockier rollout than if Democrats and Republicans were both invested in success.

One of the problems we've had is one side of Capitol Hill is invested in failure, and that makes, I think, the kind of iterative process of fixing glitches as they come up and fine-tuning the law more challenging. But I'm optimistic that we can get it fixed. (Wall Street Journal CEO Council, November 19, 2013)
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...g_it_difficult_to_fix_obamacare_glitches.html
 
JayHawk said:
SO wait... we go to war and the left cries tears of agony enough that the right eventually joins them......

Then we begin a negotiation process instead of war and then the right cries like stuck piggies until some lefties join in to bitch......

So basically we would be better off doing nothing ever and just hearing the same amount of bitching?

No wonder Europe gave up on being world powers... it sucks being the pivot man.

The original intent in Iraq was to knock it down and establish a pincher with Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west of Iran. The plan was weak to have a follow on government and it didnt materialize.

What is most amazing is the same people whining that Obama is talking to Iran would be the exact people crying hysterics if we bombed the nuc facilities into the stone age.

Utterly Amusing.

So since everyone is a world class diplomat, please identify the things you would have done in the place of our bumbling idiotic administration. Crushing the life out of a country economically is not a plan and further destabilizing the fractured middles east with a Israeli strike is not even remotely logical either.... so go for it wizzards. Take us to the next step after we have not talked diplomatically in 34 years .... jeesh
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The people whining include many top dem Senators who want more sanctions against Iran.

What triggers my distrust more than anything is the need to sign an agreement at 3am in the morning. What could be that important that it couldn't wait until daylight? Is Iran that close to fully building a nuclear bomb?
 
Jack Springer said:
The far left is not happy with this at all.

Can you tell me what this agreement does?
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If the far left is also unhappy, I have to think that it is a good thing. The process of negotiating the SALT treaties at one time made a lot of people nervous as well. But you have to start somehwere. The world is too small to have perpetual enemies.
 
The Israeli Government's hawkish position serves to encourage Iran to negotiate seriously, and deliver on its agreement with the international community...whilst, it is reported that Israel's security services, and military have rejected an air assault on Iran's nuclear industry sites.

I quote:

http://972mag.com/anonymous-decision-maker-advocating-war-with-iran-is-ehud-barak/52617/

Yedioth Aharonoth has an important expose: the paper’s diplomatic correspondents, Nahum Barnea and Shimon Shiffer, report that Defense Minister Ehud Barak has gathered senior army generals twice (the latest meeting took place at Mossad headquarters) in order to obtain their support for a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. He met fierce opposition on both occasions; the army is very reluctant to carry out the attack in the absence of American support, it seems. “Not a single security chief supports the attack,” Barnea and Shiffer write. Yedioth’s headline declares: “Barak and Natanyahu are determined to strike Iran in the autumn.”
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Furthermore it is also understood that any assault on Iran would embolden the postion of the hawks in the Iran government:

http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/why-israel-wont-attack-iran/

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Perhaps most important, nearly all military analysts, in Washington and in Israel itself, believe that even an all-out Israeli attack on Iran would not eliminate its ability to produce a nuclear weapon, Indeed, as Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated last week, “I think that it’s a fair characterization to say that they could delay but not destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities.” Worse, as Israel knows, an attack would solidify the power of hawks in Iran’s government.
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Alnitak said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology
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As part of a coherant engagement policy the recent agreement can work to the benefit of all parties..time will tell...and Benny will continue to talk tough, and very loud to guarantee his re-election.....despite the Israeli war machine acknowledging its limitations when dealing with Iran.

I also appreciate that Israel's developing relationship with Saudi Arabia, and the other Sunni Gulf states makes for strange bedfellows.
 
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