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Iran TV: Pentagon footage fake

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Methinks boy george is trying to find his reason to invade Iran. That's just MHO.

Iran TV: Pentagon footage fake
State network: Footage of Iran's boats confronting U.S. ships 'fabricated'
The Associated Press
updated 6:02 a.m. CT, Wed., Jan. 9, 2008
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran on Wednesday called video and audio released by the Pentagon showing Iranian Revolutionary Guards boats confronting U.S. warships in the Strait of Hormuz "fabricated," a state-run television station reported.

"The footage released by the U.S. Navy was compiled using file pictures and the audio has been fabricated," the English-language channel Press TV quoted an official in the Revolutionary Guards as saying.

The report did not give the name of the Revolutionary Guard figure and did not offer more details about how the official knew the footage was "fabricated."

The Pentagon on Tuesday released a four-minute, 20-second video that included audio showing small Iranian boats swarming around U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. In the recording, a man speaking in heavily accented English threatened, "I am coming to you. ... You will explode after ... minutes."

The Iranian boats appeared to ignore repeated warnings from the U.S. ships, including horn blasts and radio transmissions, according to the video, which was shot from the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper.

From the Hopper, after spotting the approaching Iranian boats, a U.S. Navy crew member says over the radio: "This is coalition warship. I am engaged in transit passage in accordance with international law. Intend no harm."

Bush blasts 'provocative act'
President Bush on Tuesday denounced the incident as a "provocative act."

The audio and video recordings were made separately but were pulled together by the Navy. Often uneven and shaky, the video condenses what Navy officials have said was a 20-minute or so clash.

The top Navy commander in the Gulf has said the Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters on Sunday. The Iranian fleet "maneuvered aggressively" and then fled as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff said. No shots were fired.

In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry has suggested that the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels. Spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident.

"That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party," he told the official Islamic Republic News Agency.

On Wednesday, Iran's Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar reiterated that the incident was not unusual.

"The identification of vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian Navy units is a natural occurrence," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying. "Islamic Republic of Iran Navy units always put questions to passing vessels and warships at the Strait of Hormuz and they need to identify themselves. This is in accordance with the normal procedures."


Najjar called Western news reports that the boats threatened to blow up the U.S. warships as "mischief."

"(Iranian) Navy units ... asked them to identify themselves. They responded accordingly and continued their path," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying.

'Dangerous'
During a White House news conference, Bush called the situation "dangerous."

"They should not have done it, pure and simple," he said. "I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act."

Cosgriff also has disputed Iran's claims that the incident was a routine encounter, saying Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.


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I did find the US Navy video odd to say the least...and the cynic in me did think the whole thing was suspicious.
 
In the article senior members of the Iranian foreign ministry while spinnuing the incident don't deny it...I do believe it was a psychological ploy by hard line elements in the Iranian government,and thankfully that is all it was and nothing came of it.But this would have been much more horrible than the Cole incident because a significant sector of a national government would have then sanctioned it.

As badly as the Bush Administration has served our foreign policy,to deride and decry everything as a Bush provocation to war lacks common sense perspective and I am certain any of the leading Democratic contenders(I'm stretching and including Edwards in this)would take this if even a psychological ploy very seriously as it was meant as a test of our metttle.
 
Yes, Iran could have been trying out boy george to see how far he would go, but I still have that feeling he, or more to the point cheney, trying to see what they could get started. That would be easier than saying Iran has WMDs.
I just can't trust them anymore.
 
I just can't trust them anymore.
Sad but true .... this administration has demonstrated an aversion to the truth from day one. For me, they need to prove they're not lying before I will accept anything they say on face value. I don't think we're alone, FB.
 
You may not be able to trust him but do you have any fuckin clue how difficult it would be to get the crews of three US Navy ships to not refute that such a sequence occured? I mean come on guys lets get a freakin clue. I mean Iran would never say something that defies logic about an action they undertook to get some headlines. Right? riiiight.......They are the ones showing their weakness.

It is usually the loundest who drops first in the scrum. They are usally loudest because they know they are beaten and must try to prove there worth.

In any event FB after the Wexler trash it makes me wonder if you believe anything you read as long as it is anti Bush. Isnt that how we got to Iraq in the first place?
 
Yeah it would be stupid for a small boat to blow a big hole in a Frigate. Never happen in a million years right?

Disaster2000.Cole.9.GIF
 
Only those boys in the Navy vessel can attest to the authenticity of that footage. But I do feel Iran was trying to provoke or test the Navy's engagement protocol to see how far they could go. When the Navy was set to engage them by firing at them, they suddenly retreated and sped away. That Ahmadinejad fella is a nutjob.
 
Ol' George was sitting alongside with AIPAC just chomping at the bits to attack Iran, since the NIE crushed their hopes of that happening last month.

This incident will be used to escalate tensions even more. It's going to happen ... one way or another. Bush will likely find a way to attack Iran before he leaves office.
 
You may not be able to trust him but do you have any fuckin clue how difficult it would be to get the crews of three US Navy ships to not refute that such a sequence occured? I mean come on guys lets get a freakin clue. I mean Iran would never say something that defies logic about an action they undertook to get some headlines. Right? riiiight.......They are the ones showing their weakness.

It is usually the loundest who drops first in the scrum. They are usally loudest because they know they are beaten and must try to prove there worth.

In any event FB after the Wexler trash it makes me wonder if you believe anything you read as long as it is anti Bush. Isnt that how we got to Iraq in the first place?

I believe Wexler because he hasn't done anything for me to not believe him. And we got to Iraq by believing boy george. I posted the article because it is very possible for bush to arrange something like this. Wasn't it the Gulf of Tonkin that was LBJs action during Nam?
As far as the crews, don't they have to obey the orders of the idiot in chief? I won't put anything past that asshole.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4115702&page=1

So now it is all up in the air. Did Iran confront the US Navy or not? Things are not being explained right.

U.S.: Voices on Recording May Not Have Been From Iranian Speedboats
Chilling Threat Could Have Come From the Shore or Another Ship, Navy Says


By MARTHA RADDATZ and JONATHAN KARL
Jan. 10, 2008

Just two days after the U.S. Navy released the eerie video of Iranian speedboats swarming around American warships, which featured a chilling threat in English, the Navy is saying that the voice on the tape could have come from the shore or from another ship.

The near-clash occurred over the weekend in the Strait of Hormuz. On the U.S.-released recording, a voice can be heard saying to the Americans, "I am coming to you. You will explode after a few minutes."

The Navy never said specifically where the voices came from, but many were left with the impression they had come from the speedboats because of the way the Navy footage was edited.

Today, the spokesperson for the U.S. admiral in charge of the Fifth Fleet clarified to ABC News that the threat may have come from the Iranian boats, or it may have come from somewhere else.

We're saying that we cannot make a direct connection to the boats there," said the spokesperson. "It could have come from the shore, from another ship passing by. However, it happened in the middle of all the very unusual activity, so as we assess the information and situation, we still put it in the total aggregate of what happened Sunday morning. I guess we're not saying that it absolutely came from the boats, but we're not saying it absolutely didn't."

The Iranians have denied using the threatening language and are saying U.S.-released video is fabricated. Today, the Iranian government aired its own video of the event on state-run TV there. On the audio, the voice that the Iranians say is the communication from their vessel can be heard identifying itself to the American ship, "Coalition warship No. 73 this is an Iranian navy patrol boat."

The incident ended without shots being fired, but senior defense officials told ABC News that the USS Hopper's gunners were within seconds of firing on the Iranians.
 
The point is exactly what you just wrote. The attack was from a variable that is not expected. The new psoture does not take those chances. They got within 200 Yards or two football fields. They would have been decimated had they closed that distance at all. Still very threatening regardless of the radio transmission. Simply assuming however that a small boat cannot damage a large naval vessel is what led to the COLE.
 
So, you find it easier to believe the revolutionary guard than our own military? Sad. Interesting, but sad.
 
So, you find it easier to believe the revolutionary guard than our own military? Sad. Interesting, but sad.

The point in this thread was not believing the revolutionary guard but expecting something from this administration to fabricate something to allow them to invade Iran. You believing in the admin is sad.

And Stevenavy I have written before I believe that Iran was just trying to see how far boy george would go to reply to them. Dangerous of course.
 
The point in this thread was not believing the revolutionary guard but expecting something from this administration to fabricate something to allow them to invade Iran. You believing in the admin is sad.
Oh, I understand the (ill conceived) point of the thread, and I still find it sad.

That you continue to drink the move-on.org kool aid is even more sad. You see a news report that our military men & women were threatened, and "gin it up" to be yet another indictment of the administration, and specifically our President. Easier for you to defend the people who took Americans hostage in 1979 rather than beleive our own brave defenders of your freedom.

Just so we both know where we sit, I prefer to support those who fight for your rights to spew leftist drivel, while you support those who have declared that they wish to destroy our country.[-X
 
The whole thing has me confused.

I can easily believe that there are those in the White House who would like an excuse to attack Iran and another USS Cole would be rather handy for them.

However, given that the Cole attack happened, I can't see any US ship allowing any Iranian (or other) craft to get within 100 feet of them without (rightly) blowing them out of the water.

I can't see how it would be in Ahmedinejad's interest to provoke an American attack but I can see the possibility that some of the more hardline Iranians would see it as an opportunity to impose even more fundamentalist Islam on the country - after all, the hardliner's seem to have done quite well out of the Iraq debacle.

Either way its a bit scary.

I would hope that calm can prevail until Bush is safely out of office and maybe a new direction in US foreign policy could come to the fore.
 
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