Is Brexit Dead?

[bankside]

Teresa May:
It would be a terrible, terrible injustice to ask the British people to vote on Brexit when they already did.

Also Teresa May:
It would be wonderful if we just keep Parliament voting until they finally pass this hare-brained nonsense!

 

[rareboy]

So Theresa is finally going to do the honourable thing and throw herself on the pyre.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politic...Bxl2dXtt4HbtclJ_BX0RjoypE9JjD777JhQbR73lDw7a8

Of course, it still probably won't get her government (which should have collapsed months ago) the votes on Brexit.

So I guess May is never going to resign since it appears that she will never get the votes for her Brexit deal.

I'd love to know what QEII thinks about all of this at this point.

 

[rareboy]

Brexit.

 

[Cormac135]

And they might bring it back for a fourth try.

 

[frankfrank]

If they bring it back for a fourth, no doubt somebody (who really should be paying attention) is in the back room drinking a Fifth.

 

[Telstra]

Question,
so the main reason the UK wanted out of EU is because
the UK cannot control who can come in to the country according to EU law ??

 

[rareboy]

Pretty much.

While the British apparently want to be able to live and work anywhere through Europe....they apparently don't want Europeans and brown people to populate England.

Oh. And the British hate the EU dictating their agricultural and industrial policies and standards from Belgium.

And some other reasons, I am sure, depending on who you ask.

 

[rareboy]

OMG.

They are going to ask for another extension so that after years of this nonsense, the Conservatives are finally going to try to forge an agreement with Corbyn's crew?

Europe should just say 'Enough' at this point.

Because it is clear that the government has nothing.

Bring the government down. Put it back to a general vote.

 

[Markh]

It’s a shambles

 

[Telstra]

Pretty much.

While the British apparently want to be able to live and work anywhere through Europe....they apparently don't want Europeans and brown people to populate England.

Oh. And the British hate the EU dictating their agricultural and industrial policies and standards from Belgium.

And some other reasons, I am sure, depending on who you ask.

well,
thats unfair for any country.
Each country should be able to decide who can come in and who cannot.

 

[medic1]

What a nightmare this is.

May has offered to resign as PM, and has finally reached out to the hated Labour leader for cross party talks, to try and reach an amicable resolution..............

The UK has truly become a laughing stock in Europe. Scotland voted to remain, England and Wales voted to leave. Now after nearly 3 years of total "fuckery" the Tory Party has torn itself apart.

Asking for yet another extension. It really should be put back to the people to decide, now that we know about all the lies and trickery used during the initial campaign.

 

[Telstra]

Who do you blame for brexit ?
I would blame the politicians who made the 1st referendum happened.

 

[Alnitak]

If anything the whole fiasco will put a bad taste in the mouth of any other country thinking of leaving.

 

[Nealm1]

The EU had a big message from UK voters and has chosen to ignore that message

 

[rareboy]

The EU had a big message from UK voters and has chosen to ignore that message

hahaha

No Seriously.

A bare majority of the voters who were hoodwinked and lied to by some shyster politicians voted to leave.

The Scots voted to stay. So does that mean that they have sent a message to England and England and the EU shouldn't ignore that message?

If there was a vote today, the outcome would be completely different as Brits have come to realize how complex and damaging that Brexit actually could be to their economy, jobs and freedom to travel and work within Europe.

There is nothing stopping England from leaving the EU with no deal if the Brits are so determined. So do it.

 

[Sausy]

That said, there's a lot not to like about how the EU bureaucracy runs roughshod over individual nations and localities...they are accountable to no one. There is a good reason to be skeptical of the way the EU works, at least at this time. It doesn't benefit anyone but the big corporations and institutions. This isn't Star Trek "Federation" stuff which at least seemed to be based in representative concerns. It's not anywhere near perfect and needs a lot more work to succeed as anything but a bureaucratic imposition.

 

[rareboy]

Like any governance body, there are flaws...but it is a myth that it is an unelected un-democratic institution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election

There are even parties within the system.

Nigel Farage and some of the other hucksters have tried to convince Brits that they are at the mercy of a faceless bureaucracy. But it isn't.

What galls Brexiters the most is that England doesn't get to dictate all the terms to the rest of Europe.

What it was designed to do was to create a unified system of regulations and rules for trade and commerce, so like the US, big business is right in there helping to write the rules.
It was also designed to create a single trading bloc of liberal democracies that would be able to withstand the insidious interference from Russia and the US. It has been very successful in doing this. There is no country that has had its actual sovereignty diminished or compromised by belonging to the EU...but many have had to drag themselves into the 21st century in order to meet higher standards for goods and services.

For the Brits, it comes down to one thing and one thing alone.

In a post colonial world....after the decades when they have been forced to accept the subjects of their former colonies and now Commonwealth partners, Brits are drawing the liine at more brown people with cranky religions.

At the end of the day, this is only about one thing. Immigration. But if you ask many of the Brexiters, they believe they should be allowed freedom of travel and work and living in any country in Europe. Just don't want the same for foreigners coming into their country.

I have family both in England as well as Europe...it is a fascinating discussion taking place.

 

[Alnitak]

The Scots voted to stay. So does that mean that they have sent a message to England and England and the EU shouldn't ignore that message?

It's a big problem for Westminster if they want Scotland to stay in the UK.

 

[Sausy]

I know there's a European Parliament but part of the problem IS that the bureaucracy works for corporations.. they help set the rules. The EU bureaucracy IS overwhelming and stifling, and its unwieldy excesses are not some minor flaw. Too many one size fits all dictates...these are individual nations with their own cultures and traditions, and too many EU dictates which are overbearing and burdensome despite the fig leaf of popular representation. While the goals of greater coordination among European nations is a noble one, in execution it lacks a lot. Yet if there were a redo on the vote, not just Scotland but the rest of the UK itself does appear that it would stay in... that could be, and should be, an impetus for greater structural reform and more respect for individual autonomy of the nations(not federated states as the US, or provinces as Canada but as mentioned individual nations). No question May and the British parliament have been utterly pathetic trying to manage the Brexit....I thought our Congress was dysfunctional but what has happened in the UK the past few months is nothing short of a debacle.

 

[Alnitak]

^^^

The problem with Europe is it tends to break out into world wars, or at least continental wars. Too many for historians to count. Wars of religion, wars of succession, and two wars of German aggression that spun totally out of control. The European Union makes total sense, and the United States for all its disparate groups has managed to make it work, just barely.