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Is Brexit Dead?

Boris Johnson signs the withdrawal agreement at Downing Street.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51244126
 
It’s missing a comma.

The price of brexit already biting. No money for commas.
 
Johnson and the Tories have crowed about the UK being FREE of the EU. I believe a large driver of BREXIT is immigration as discussed in prior posts. However, immigration cuts both ways. The ebb and flow of talent and labor as well as goods and materials is hampered...Scotland doesn't need much of an excuse to break away from the UK, leaving England with Northern Ireland and ... England. Hearing Johnson and his mates are expecting great things from US trade and Trump's support. Lotsa luck with that. It is more than risky, because Trump will decide and drive whatever. Trouble is, not even he can predict what he will do or say hour by hour and what he says may not be entirely truthful and certainly not anything to depend on. For the UK, the upside of BREXIT is not compelling and the downside is pretty scary.
 
Alnitak said:
I hope it was worth the dissolution of the United Kingdom.
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I doubt very much that that will happen. Support for Scottish independence at the recent general election was 45%, much as it was at the 2014 referendum. When the Scots realise that having lost economic support from the EU, they risk losing bailouts from the English taxpayer too, they'll never vote for separation. Couldn't afford to. On the other hand, were English voters ever to be given a referendum on independence from Scotland, the result could be very different. Scotland only represents 8% of the UK population and the suggestion over recent months that Brexit shouldn't be allowed to happen because the Scots didn't support it was a classic case of the tail attempting to wag the dog.
 
If it is all purely transactional, one supposes that if the EU makes a better offer, Scotland should have no issue leaving the United Kingdom. It is only in the last two centuries that it really has more associations with England than with France when it comes to its royal associations and of course it is only part of the UK because of suppression.

It will be interesting to see with Ireland obviously having a stronger tie with the EU and Scotland likely seeing no material advantage to Brexit.
 
rareboy said:
If it is all purely transactional, one supposes that if the EU makes a better offer, Scotland should have no issue leaving the United Kingdom. It is only in the last two centuries that it really has more associations with England than with France when it comes to its royal associations and of course it is only part of the UK because of suppression.

It will be interesting to see with Ireland obviously having a stronger tie with the EU and Scotland likely seeing no material advantage to Brexit.
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Scotland in 1700 had several failed mercantile trade ventures, gave up, and gave in to a union with England. Even so, there were riots. Ireland was, well, Ireland. Weak and unable to resist a hostile takeover. So many Irish came to America due to starvation, a quarter of my ancestors included, most white Americans have an Irish ancestor. A united Ireland is inevitable now that a supranational border strangles the poorest quarter of the island's population, now one of the wealthiest per person in the world. The pro-British DUP is so terribly out of touch on issues and caused the country to be without an effective government. Its opposition to same sex marriage is just a glaring example. What else is to be done than part ways with Great Britain?
 
YES! ..|

Finally, democracy wins! :gogirl:

Just got back from the pub and noticed that one of my Somali neighbours has a Union flag hanging from her balcony. :rotflmao:
Clearly, she's a xenophobic racist. :lol:

Anyway, in honour of my friend, the lovely Habiba :luv2:, I have changed my avatar.

Love Europe, love Europeans, hate, loath, and utterly despise the EU. :D
 
Alnitak said:
A united Ireland is inevitable now that a supranational border strangles the poorest quarter of the island's population, now one of the wealthiest per person in the world. The pro-British DUP is so terribly out of touch on issues and caused the country to be without an effective government. Its opposition to same sex marriage is just a glaring example. What else is to be done than part ways with Great Britain?
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I don’t think it is foregone yet, because idiots could try mightily to sow mutual suspicion. I’d expect ulster troublemakers to try to stir up conflict soon, because they’ll actually need a hard border and all the conflict that goes along with it to stay in the UK.

The principled historic argument, that the Republic is just a bunch of backwards bigoted anti-Protestant papist thugs and rubes, isn’t remotely believable now. Only maybe in Quebec has institutional/theocratic Catholicism been as soundly rejected as in Ireland. Not even the dimmest most gullible young sprog from the protestant North, up for recruitment in some idiotic “cell,” will view the republic as some oppressive backwater while “modern Britain” is the only thing standing between the Enlightenment and medieval Romish suzerainty.

A two-second glimpse of modern Ireland, and how much it has changed in 30 years, with equal marriage, freedom of conscience, reproductive rights, a gay Taoiseach from an immigrant family, and there’s just no mistaking Ireland’s place at the hear of modern, pluralist, human-rights nations, and it makes the case for Irish unity in the Republic. My hope is that the shitnozzles of the Troubles are now close enough to retirement that they won’t matter.
 
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From one of my British friends.
 
But rareboy, the passport...is now...blue again...ALL WORTH IT SO WORTH IT!!!!
 
unloadonme said:
I doubt very much that that will happen. Support for Scottish independence at the recent general election was 45%, much as it was at the 2014 referendum. When the Scots realise that having lost economic support from the EU, they risk losing bailouts from the English taxpayer too, they'll never vote for separation. Couldn't afford to. On the other hand, were English voters ever to be given a referendum on independence from Scotland, the result could be very different. Scotland only represents 8% of the UK population and the suggestion over recent months that Brexit shouldn't be allowed to happen because the Scots didn't support it was a classic case of the tail attempting to wag the dog.
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I didn't think there was room for doubt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scotland-heading-towards-independence-uk-104636435.html
 
Alnitak said:
I didn't think there was room for doubt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scotland-heading-towards-independence-uk-104636435.html
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It'll never happen. Scotland would not be economically viable as an independent country. If it leaves the UK and loses the subsidies it receives from the English taxpayer, it would need to join the EU pretty quickly and hope it could tap into subsidies from there. The EU aren't going to be keen on that.

Don't get me wrong. I'd be delighted if the Scots fucked off. I just don't think they will.

This is an interesting watch if you've got the time.

 
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unloadonme said:
It'll never happen. Scotland would not be economically viable as an independent country. If it leaves the UK and loses the subsidies it receives from the English taxpayer, it would need to join the EU pretty quickly and hope it could tap into subsidies from there. The EU aren't going to be keen on that.

Don't get me wrong. I'd be delighted if the Scots fucked off. I just don't think they will.

This is an interesting watch if you've got the time.

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You sound bitter. So very curious, are you a Johnson supporter? A brexit aficionado?
 
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