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Is college worth it?
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First I want to make it clear that the sole purpose of me going to college would be $$.
I now work full time and make $500 a week. I only finished a program for my job which lasted 3 months.
In high school I was so sure I would eventually go to college....but when I started working full time...I learned the value of money. I don't want to waste it on things that might not pay off.
What really puts me off about college is there is so many prerequisites I would have to take. And they have nothing to do with what I want to study...I feel like I might not care enough to actually suffer through them.
Anyhoo if I finish a surgical tech program I will easily make almost as twice as much money as I do now...and eventually with experience much more than that.
I already work with surgical instruments so my job is kind of like an introduction into surgical technology.
But if you have any advice post it here. I'm sure some of you have college degrees. Also feel free to give your opinion which ones really pay off....and which ones don't.
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I'd say go to college, at this age it may not be a guarantee on anything but the alternative is you might regret later in life and wish that you had done it earlier when you were younger.
The good thing is you know what you want/like to study and you already have some work experience so you're off to a good start - this puts you in a better position to make an informed decision about your career path/prospects. Don't worry too much about the prerequisites - they are there for a reason.
If you're not in a hurry to finish college, why not study part-time so you can continue with your current job. Whatever you decide, good luck!
The good thing is you know what you want/like to study and you already have some work experience so you're off to a good start - this puts you in a better position to make an informed decision about your career path/prospects. Don't worry too much about the prerequisites - they are there for a reason.
If you're not in a hurry to finish college, why not study part-time so you can continue with your current job. Whatever you decide, good luck!
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not in the US, or the UK now for that matter
unless it's something like medicine or law
unless it's something like medicine or law
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I have worked in higher ed for many years (and am happy to answer questions or provide solicited advice via PM if anyone is interested!)
Rather than throw my two cents worth in on the value of a college education in general, which others have already aptly done, I want to speak specifically to the subject of technical schools.
There is a HUGE variety in schools in this field. If you choose to go to a technical school, make sure it is accredited. Some for-profit schools, such as ITT Tech, are not, meaning these classes will not transfer anywhere should you eventually choose to attend a bigger school, and a degree from one of these schools does not qualify you to move on to a BA/BS or an MA/MS if you think that may be in your future.
It's very important to do your research first, especially if the school you're looking at carries a bigger price tag.
Rather than throw my two cents worth in on the value of a college education in general, which others have already aptly done, I want to speak specifically to the subject of technical schools.
There is a HUGE variety in schools in this field. If you choose to go to a technical school, make sure it is accredited. Some for-profit schools, such as ITT Tech, are not, meaning these classes will not transfer anywhere should you eventually choose to attend a bigger school, and a degree from one of these schools does not qualify you to move on to a BA/BS or an MA/MS if you think that may be in your future.
It's very important to do your research first, especially if the school you're looking at carries a bigger price tag.
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Some thoughts:
You seem to be mature, serious, thoughtful and hard working. You also have a plan, and have mapped out a potential career, which is more than many, perhaps most, college students have done. I suspect that if you attend college you'll find that you are more mature, serious, etc than a sizeable number of your felllow students. You will probably also be a better student, and take better advantage of the opportunities presented to you.
So will a college education give you better opportunities for a satisfying and lucrative career, or succession of careers? Will a particular course of studies give you useful skills that you otherwise wouldn't have? Given that you already have a good career mapped out, it's hard to know. What we do know is that the primary function of a college degree these days is to sort potential employees. It's a sieve. Some doors will be closed without it.
Regarding required courses: many can be taken at community colleges, for less money than they would cost at the nearby university. For a few years I taught undergraduates at a professional school that was a part of a very fine and very expensive university. Many of my students completed their general study requirements at a local community college, which I found to be a poor use of the university they were attending, but a good use of their time and money.
With rare exceptions, public colleges and universities are a much better deal than private ones, but I assume you already know this.
I loved college, I loved grad school, I loved teaching. I prospered in the academic environments I chose. But I recognize that academia is not the best place for everyone. And it would probably be a waste of time and money for many of us, were it not for the fact that it can help to open doors.
You seem to be mature, serious, thoughtful and hard working. You also have a plan, and have mapped out a potential career, which is more than many, perhaps most, college students have done. I suspect that if you attend college you'll find that you are more mature, serious, etc than a sizeable number of your felllow students. You will probably also be a better student, and take better advantage of the opportunities presented to you.
So will a college education give you better opportunities for a satisfying and lucrative career, or succession of careers? Will a particular course of studies give you useful skills that you otherwise wouldn't have? Given that you already have a good career mapped out, it's hard to know. What we do know is that the primary function of a college degree these days is to sort potential employees. It's a sieve. Some doors will be closed without it.
Regarding required courses: many can be taken at community colleges, for less money than they would cost at the nearby university. For a few years I taught undergraduates at a professional school that was a part of a very fine and very expensive university. Many of my students completed their general study requirements at a local community college, which I found to be a poor use of the university they were attending, but a good use of their time and money.
With rare exceptions, public colleges and universities are a much better deal than private ones, but I assume you already know this.
I loved college, I loved grad school, I loved teaching. I prospered in the academic environments I chose. But I recognize that academia is not the best place for everyone. And it would probably be a waste of time and money for many of us, were it not for the fact that it can help to open doors.
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And job training is what it sounds like the OP is looking for.
So you wanna be surgery tech eh? If that requires the degree, and you want to do that, then yes it is worth it.
BUT, there are no guarantees. Just because a surgery tech makes x thousand a year now does not mean they will in the future. The healthcare industry in the US is damn near broken. We have a major political party that is wanting to cut funding to government medical assistance, and at the same time put all the eggs into the basket of for profit insurance companies.
You will not be getting that $$ when the system collapses.
So you wanna be surgery tech eh? If that requires the degree, and you want to do that, then yes it is worth it.
BUT, there are no guarantees. Just because a surgery tech makes x thousand a year now does not mean they will in the future. The healthcare industry in the US is damn near broken. We have a major political party that is wanting to cut funding to government medical assistance, and at the same time put all the eggs into the basket of for profit insurance companies.
You will not be getting that $$ when the system collapses.
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Thanks for the replies...I enjoyed reading them...well, most of them.
Btw if i go to college I want to go for something really weird....like a Russian professor(already speak the language).
Surgery tech only takes a few months.
Yeah I'm so sick of systems collapsing. That's how I ended up in the U.S. anyways.
Btw if i go to college I want to go for something really weird....like a Russian professor(already speak the language).
And job training is what it sounds like the OP is looking for.
So you wanna be surgery tech eh? If that requires the degree, and you want to do that, then yes it is worth it.
BUT, there are no guarantees. Just because a surgery tech makes x thousand a year now does not mean they will in the future. The healthcare industry in the US is damn near broken. We have a major political party that is wanting to cut funding to government medical assistance, and at the same time put all the eggs into the basket of for profit insurance companies.
You will not be getting that $$ when the system collapses.
Surgery tech only takes a few months.
Yeah I'm so sick of systems collapsing. That's how I ended up in the U.S. anyways.
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Some of the money comes from the students, some from government, some from college endowment income, in different proportions depending on the institution. Higher education would be even more expensive than it already is if it were not partly subsidized from the latter sources. There's also the time and effort involved, which I would count among the resources invested in education. Whoever pays, it should be done thoughtfully.
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Usually prerequisites are needed because they provide the fundamentals you need to master. I mean, if you're going to take Biochemistry, you really should know basic biology. The same is for other courses.
Then there are electives. Yeah, some electives are useless. A lot of universities are requiring their students to take electives outside of their major to provide variety. So for math majors, instead of taking 5 courses of math, they can take 4 maths and maybe an English class just so it's something different. I do agree that at times the amount of electives is ridiculous, but in a way they can sometimes be good distractions
College, though, is worth it. I used to work full time and go to school full time. Unfortunately, I had to cut down on work because some of my classes were not available at the times I could take them.
Then there are electives. Yeah, some electives are useless. A lot of universities are requiring their students to take electives outside of their major to provide variety. So for math majors, instead of taking 5 courses of math, they can take 4 maths and maybe an English class just so it's something different. I do agree that at times the amount of electives is ridiculous, but in a way they can sometimes be good distractions
College, though, is worth it. I used to work full time and go to school full time. Unfortunately, I had to cut down on work because some of my classes were not available at the times I could take them.
fetaby
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Sexy Russian man?
Anyway, my advice? Do the surgery tech, make as much $$ as you can now. Buy what you need to buy and place yourself in a location you enjoy. When the US collapses, my guess is it will take out the rest of the west with it. China is tied into it thick as thieves but they've managed to do their own thing for thousands of years so...
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I can only comment on my own experience.
I dropped out of college in my early 20s.
I had the opportunity, and the desire, to return and finish in my late 30s.
It was a very rewarding experience for me. A nice perk is the fact that I will always be a college graduate, no one can take that away.
If I could rewrite my past I would have finished in my early 20s and I'm certain my life would have been a bit easier in many aspects, especially financially.
Best wishes
I dropped out of college in my early 20s.
I had the opportunity, and the desire, to return and finish in my late 30s.
It was a very rewarding experience for me. A nice perk is the fact that I will always be a college graduate, no one can take that away.
If I could rewrite my past I would have finished in my early 20s and I'm certain my life would have been a bit easier in many aspects, especially financially.
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You can always return as a mature student later on in life. There's no hard and fast rule that says you need to enter higher education straight after your high school senior years.
Studies prove that people with degrees make significantly more money on average over their lifetimes than people without degrees.
What makes it look different to you right now is that you're in a job that only requires a certain specific training; but if that's the only job you qualify for, you will not advance in the field, you will stagnate in that one job until you train for a higher one. We no longer live in a world where seniority increases pay; in most companies and professions, the only pay increases are attached to promotions to better-paying jobs... many of which will require a university degree.
But what university teaches you is not information; we live in the Information Age, and information is obsolete within five years of learning it. What a college education teaches you is how to learn. How to assimilate new information, how to organize your thoughts and time, how to excel at tasks that are boring or outside your personal interests, how to function in groups as well as individually.
It also puts your intelligence on paper. Yes, there are a lot of morons with bachelors' degrees, but a genius without a college degree is not going to earn as much, will not have access to different career paths, as that baccalaureate moron will. Having a summa or magnum on that degree will push you over other candidates with the same degree; if you're intelligent and hard-working, you can get those little Latin words with ease.
Will you be guaranteed more money if you get your degree? Well, of course not! There are no guarantees in this life. You have to take chances. But you definitely have a better chance with the degree than without.
I have a degree and I make chicken-feed for salary. But I have far more opportunities for advancement than my peers who do not have degrees. As soon as I'm bored with the job I have, I can move on to just about anything I want, while my HS-only coworkers are stuck at the levels they've already attained.
I also have observed from all of my jobs that those who went to college are better workers than those who did not. They learn new tasks more readily, they organize their time better, and they have a better work ethic. Just looking at my team at my current job, those of us with Liberal Arts degrees consistently outperform those without them, to such an extent that many of the job descriptions are being changed to require one.
Food for thought. Technical certificates will only take you so far; degrees last forever.
What makes it look different to you right now is that you're in a job that only requires a certain specific training; but if that's the only job you qualify for, you will not advance in the field, you will stagnate in that one job until you train for a higher one. We no longer live in a world where seniority increases pay; in most companies and professions, the only pay increases are attached to promotions to better-paying jobs... many of which will require a university degree.
But what university teaches you is not information; we live in the Information Age, and information is obsolete within five years of learning it. What a college education teaches you is how to learn. How to assimilate new information, how to organize your thoughts and time, how to excel at tasks that are boring or outside your personal interests, how to function in groups as well as individually.
It also puts your intelligence on paper. Yes, there are a lot of morons with bachelors' degrees, but a genius without a college degree is not going to earn as much, will not have access to different career paths, as that baccalaureate moron will. Having a summa or magnum on that degree will push you over other candidates with the same degree; if you're intelligent and hard-working, you can get those little Latin words with ease.
Will you be guaranteed more money if you get your degree? Well, of course not! There are no guarantees in this life. You have to take chances. But you definitely have a better chance with the degree than without.
I have a degree and I make chicken-feed for salary. But I have far more opportunities for advancement than my peers who do not have degrees. As soon as I'm bored with the job I have, I can move on to just about anything I want, while my HS-only coworkers are stuck at the levels they've already attained.
I also have observed from all of my jobs that those who went to college are better workers than those who did not. They learn new tasks more readily, they organize their time better, and they have a better work ethic. Just looking at my team at my current job, those of us with Liberal Arts degrees consistently outperform those without them, to such an extent that many of the job descriptions are being changed to require one.
Food for thought. Technical certificates will only take you so far; degrees last forever.
